I'm sorry, did we fly two El Al airliners into downtown Mecca, kill 3,000 people from all over the world including our own, then run out in the streets of Boston and gloat about it? No we didn't. We are not the evil we seek to defeat- we are DEMONSTRATING JUSTICE.
I'm sorry, did we fly two El Al airliners into downtown Mecca, kill 3,000 people from all over the world including our own, then run out in the streets of Boston and gloat about it? No we didn't. We are not the evil we seek to defeat- we are DEMONSTRATING JUSTICE.
Sometimes methods that seem unorthodox have to be used in order to protect our way of life. It's not right, but that's how it is. It's called reality. Wake up man it's not a perfect world.
The problem I see with torture is that you can get anyone who's being tortured to admit to anything just to stop the torture. What happens if you catch a terrorist and torture him to the point where he "admits" he planned the entire 9/11 attack even though he had no part in it whatsoever, or worse yet, what happens if you catch an innocent man and torture him to the point where he "admits" he planned the entire 9/11 attack? Case closed?
Originally posted by: Harvey
And your line of thinking contributes to continuing that direction.
No, terrorists contribute to that line of direction. Again, wake up!
I'm up for whatever gets good revenge and gives them their proper punishment... if someone decides it's torture. so be it.. those fckers need SOMETHING bad that's for sure.
buncha punks..
buncha punks..
When you torture terrorists you fly a plane into the WTC. No difference. If one is deserved so is the other.
No
On the high ground, as others have said, the US is built on higher principles then this. If we lower ourselves to this level, what's the point.
On the low ground, I doubt that torture is an effective way to get accurate information anyway.
On the high ground, as others have said, the US is built on higher principles then this. If we lower ourselves to this level, what's the point.
On the low ground, I doubt that torture is an effective way to get accurate information anyway.
I think we should torture the hell out of them. You know why? They will kill us whenever they get the chance. Remember Mr. Pearl in Pakistan? They cut his head off and sent the tape out to be viewed on TV. His pregnant wife saw that and his unborn child may see that one day. These terrorist are ruthless and they won't give your ass any type of humane treatment if they had you as a prisoner. It's time to torture these bastards till they die and get every last drop of information out of them so that we can prevent future attacks and protect innocents that have absolutely nothing to do with this war.
Justice is not revenge. Justice is not ill will. Justice is peace for everybody, even the terrorists. The fact is, if you were born in the cuts of Afghanistan, you'd most likely be a terrorist too. Hating them is wasted energy, they are the same stupid humans we are, with the same shortcomings. The proof is in this righteous willingness to inflict terrible pain on our brethren.
Originally posted by: StattlichPassat
Would you like to prop them up with pillows and hand feed them tea as well?
No, you give them a trial that under the current circumstances may be a military tribunal.
If they are found guilty, you interrogate the hell out of them and there are methods of interrogation that are not based on torture.
Then if the penalty for their crimes is death you quickly and quietly execute them. You do not make them a martyr. You do not sink to their level. You see only that justice is done and the tenets on which this country are founded are upheld.
No torture, absolutely not. If we sink to that level of human depravity we truly are no better than the terrorists we abhore.
In reality we wil ldo what ever it takes within reason to exact truth from them. Torture is subjective. It is too broad. Sleep deprivation, food denial, forced into a small box all can be considered torture by some, but a usful and legal method to get co operation by others.
We do not peel the skin off the skulls of our prisoners while they are alive, but damn, sometimes I think we should.
BTW, where were all you torture protestors at when New York cops rammed a broom handle up a black mans anus to get him to "coperate"?
well the news reports that Mohammed Ak, Il Ron Jeremy( the guy the caught in pakistan the other day) is in an undisclosed country being interogatted. I'd wager a few hundred that he's in Isreal or that Isreal is helping on the interogation.
I think a few of you here are confused...
1st, some seem to be extending our constitutional rights to these terrorists. I noticed, someone posted the Geneva Convention up there, and I'm not sure if that even applies. This isn't a conventional war, AND we're not fighting against people who observe the Geneva Convention.
2nd, Some here think that if you torture someone, you can get them to admit to anything. This is what crossing referencing notes from various sources would be for. If a terrorist gave name of Joe blow, and no one else ever mentioned joe blow... that lead is kind of a dead end isn't it....
3rd, Torture would not be about revenge. If the US wanted revenge on these people they would tell everyone, and broadcast the torture on TV... As it is, torture may or may not be being used... "Don't tell the Liberals"... everyone has a right to life don't they... That's what the mentality of the terrorists was on 9/11 wasn't it...
1st, some seem to be extending our constitutional rights to these terrorists. I noticed, someone posted the Geneva Convention up there, and I'm not sure if that even applies. This isn't a conventional war, AND we're not fighting against people who observe the Geneva Convention.
2nd, Some here think that if you torture someone, you can get them to admit to anything. This is what crossing referencing notes from various sources would be for. If a terrorist gave name of Joe blow, and no one else ever mentioned joe blow... that lead is kind of a dead end isn't it....
3rd, Torture would not be about revenge. If the US wanted revenge on these people they would tell everyone, and broadcast the torture on TV... As it is, torture may or may not be being used... "Don't tell the Liberals"... everyone has a right to life don't they... That's what the mentality of the terrorists was on 9/11 wasn't it...
Boy, I'm glad some of you bastards aren't making the laws. Torture is disgusting. I would like to think we've gotten past having to torture people for justice. What happens when the person you tortured is found to be innocent? I'm sure the guy that got tortured and the guy that did the torturing would feel great having to do all that for nothing.
BTW, where were all you torture protestors at when New York cops rammed a broom handle up a black mans anus to get him to "coperate"?
Probably sleeping. What is your point?
Probably sleeping. What is your point?
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