Poll: Those who had a quality PUBLIC SCHOOL Education Please vote here.

[Pennstate]

I am sick and tired of the Public School Education Bashing. Public Schools turn out some of the best students in the world. The number of quality graduates from Public Schools outnumbers those from private schools by 100 fold. While the opportunities in inner city and rural schools may be less than a well-funded suburban school, the problem is not the system. It's MONEY. I do not think I am the only one offended by this current national trend in bashing public schools. It's very disrepectful to many top quality teachers who made a big difference in your/my life and don't get the national recognition that they deserve. I have met many people in college that went to private schools, and I do not see a thing different about them than the rest of public school graduates. In may cases, private schools don't have the luxury of AP classes that Public Schools have. Please vote here to show your support for our Public Schools.

Schools that I attended:

State College Area High School, State College, PA
Penn State University
Johns Hopkins University (currently for grad school)

 

[Moving Target]

Don't Public Schools outnumber private schools by 100 fold?

 

[Pennstate]

Part of my point is that there's no difference between the private and public school system. Differences come from individual schools.

 

[DesignDawg]

I got a top-notch education in public schools. Another thing.... I'm REAAAALLLLLY tired of public school TEACHER-BASHING. My finacee is a teacher in the public schools, and she loves those kids like they were her own. She thinks about them around the clock, she worries about them, she looks out for them, gets involved with their parents, and wants each and every one of them to achieve the best they possibly can. --And she is NOT alone. Most of you have had teachers like that, but until you've lived with one, you can't even understand how deep that devotion goes. Parents are the problem, not the schools.

Ricky
DesignDawg

 

[jhu]

yes

 

[Moving Target]

I think the Private Schools are better for 2 reasons. (1) Smaller class, more of a direct interaction with the teachers (2) Students in Private Schools have parents that care enough about them to pay to send them somewhere else, which proably means better behaved students, which leads to less class interuption.

I went to public school way back ('87 grad) but things have changed for the worst. In some ways it seems you send your kids too the school that is the SAFEST, not the best education.

My spelling don't say much for public schools either

 

[DesignDawg]

Actually, MT, your number 2 is completele WRONG. False. Inaccurate. Incorrect. I will not go into specifics, because specifically every point you made is specifically the opposite of the truth.

Ricky
DesignDawg

 

[Pennstate]

A typical Public school class size is < 23. You need a big enough class size to sample different views on issues, but not so big that there's no individual attention. What's the typical class size of a private school?

 

[Gatsby]

I went to a public school in the chicagoland area and I turned out fine. Albeit a little screwed up but thats what hopkins does to people.

I didn't even graduate near the top of my class and I can do bvetter than the people who did graduate from the top of their class and went to a public school. Although its hard to find a good public school, if you do you should be fine.

Gatsby
Chemistry Undergrad @ Johns Hopkins

 

[chiwawa626]

im a sopphmore in highschool now, the quality is good, but somtimes the teachers are crackheads who cant explain stuff. Also, a lot of the time, if u get the cool teacher you'll pass good, or else if u got the the mean old one u might do very bad.....its inconsistant

 

[Pennstate]

I disagree with Moving Target's point that parents who sent their kids to Private schools care more about their kids. Let me tell you the parental role in their kid's education is not MONEY alone. I've seen rich parents who sent their kids away to boarding schools so that they don't have to deal with them.

 

[Moving Target]

DesignDawg

Of course your right and I'm wrong, with all the facts you provided, you must be right!

I hate you assholes that bash peoples opinion and don't back with anything exept I SAY SO!

Loser!!!!!!

 

[thebestMAX]

You only get out of a school what you put into it be it the best private or worse public.

Teachers really dont &quot;Teach&quot; you anything. They are there to guide and assist you. College classes are supposed to be 1 hour in class to 3 hours on your own. Dont know about HS ratio.

 

[Pennstate]

It is FALSE that every private school teacher is a good teacher.

 

[azazyel]

I am going to get slapped down for this one but when I was in highschool I noticed something curious. My friends that were in a private school started using drugs at an earlier age than those at my public school. First time I saw smack was at a private school party. At the time I thought dope was a big deal.

 

[Regine]

My problem wasn't that I went to a public school, but rather that I went to a really tiny high school. Although we had an awesome music department, there just wasn't much demand for higher level classes, especially AP classes. My math teacher always said that she would love to teach us AP calculus, but with only 2 or 3 people being able to handle it the school wouldn't let her do it.
But that is the only problem I have found with my school.

 

[Moving Target]

Pennstate I disagree with Moving Target's point that parents who sent their kids to Private schools care more about their kids.

Not in every case, but IMO it is true as an average.

 

[unxpurg8d]

No, Pennstate, differences come from individuals, not individual schools. If a kid is determined to learn he/she will regardless of the educational opportunities. If the kid isn't, you can put that child in the best learning environment in the world and they'll take nothing away with them.

Parental involvement is the key in education - I spent last night up with my kid comparing and contrasting Pepys and Johnson. Argh. If a parent shows no interest in a child's education the child won't see what the whole point is either. Most kids seem to think it's all about &quot;ticket-punching&quot; - getting out of school with the required diploma, degree, etc. rather than what they LEARN.

I went to a tiny little public school with a very low teacher/student ratio(often three kids to a class), excellent teachers, and could've gotten a great education...IF I had wanted it. Of course I quit school at 16 because I had soooooooooo many more interesting things to do. Point being that the educational opportunity was there - I chose not to take it.

The one good thing about private schools is that parents can choose a school that reflects their personal values, rather than that of a generic educational system.

I choose to send my children to public school because later in life they can't elect to isolate themselves from people they would prefer not to associate with, or ideas they don't agree with, and they might as well come to terms with that now and learn to get along with the world.

 

[Regine]

<< My spelling don't say much for public schools either >>


I know plenty of people from public schools that are excellent spellers. Don't blame public schools, maybe you should blame yourself for that one.

 

[somethingwitty]

I went to a private school for religious reasons. Moving Target may or may not be accurate in his first point (my graduating class had about 45 people) but he is wrong about his second point. Parents often send their kids to private schools for religious reasons, but that doesnt mean the kids are better behaved. It doesnt take kids who carry knifes or guns (as public schools are portrayed) to disrupt classes and cost others. Also, though I dont know what the actual LAW is, my private school often had religious teachers who weren't certified as teachers (they hired them for their religious knowledge). Again, I dont know if that is allowed under law or not (I seem to recall hearing that private schools arent watched for that type of thing), but I do know (from having a double curiculum, in which half the teachers were &quot;real teachers and half were the religious people) that classes taught by people who arent certified as teachers are more out of control.

 

[PG]

MT, I don't think you are 100% correct. Not all parents who send their kids to private schools really care about their kids. My sister-in-law worked for a private Catholic middle school. She was the religion teacher. One parent wanted confirmation moved so that her daughter wouldn't miss an nsync concert. This is only one example of a parent who really didn't care. Many parents are just snobs who wouldn't dare send their kids to a public school.


<edited a confusing sentence>

 

[denali]

Pennstate, I grew up in State College and went to SCAHS for awhile before moving. At the time SCAHS was much better than the school I went to after moving. I agree that public schools get somewhat of a bad reputation but some of it is much deserved. The main problem I see is with the teachers unions, it is nearly impossible to get rid of a teacher that cannot teach. Personally I like the Bush plan to test students every year, they should also test teachers. For those that say small class size will improve the situation I think you are mistaken. When I went to school the class sizes were bigger than they are today, and students were actually held back a year because they did not master the subject matter.

 

[Moving Target]

OK everyone, these are MY OPIONIONS, I did not say they are the only correct answers! Forget I said anything because ALL of your are way smarter than me.

The spelling thing was just a joke.

I've come to the conclusion that OT is just a place to Flame everyone's opinion!

I know nothing, forget what I said!

 

[DesignDawg]

My people prove my point. I need not make concrete statements when I am arguing with obviously ridiculous generalized statements.

Ricky
DesignDawg

 

[Moving Target]

My people prove my point. I need not make concrete statements when I am arguing with obviously ridiculous generalized statements.

Whatever

My opions come from: (1) My wife, dance teacher dealing with students from pub and priv schools, and from her dealing with their parents. (2) Mother in-law, private school teacher (3) Brother, worked/teached 3 public high schools (3) sister inlaw, teached in 2 public school districts.

I am not biased torward ethier, just my opinion from my interaction about schools with the people i know.

so all you people that are so sure I don't know what I am talking about, what do you have to show me your opinion?

Yes these are generalized statements because you/nor I can address every sitiuation. It would be imposiable! You have proved nothing other than you think you are all knowing and don't need to back it up!