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Poll: The truth about Israel, as told by a Jew, (come & learn Opinionated)

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DABANSHEE, others will argue that the reason the US backed Israel is because the other Arab states were already turning towards the USSR. It all depends on whose history you listen to.

Personally, I'm not sure if backing Israel as fervently as we did was the best policy at the time. Because of the attitudes of the Arab states it was necessary to continue American policies towards Israel once they were started, but I can't help but wonder if Arab-American relations would have been different if we had left Israel to fend for itself.

In any case, my main point was to tear up that article, not discuss American-Israeli-Arab relations 😛
 
plus the research was payed for by American taxpayers.

Where do you get this information from? Much of the research that was done was feedback from Israeli pilots....

Really it would have been much cheaper if the US govt just financed that work to be done at home in the US.

Ummm....the problem was that the fighters were being flown by US pilots and no problem was found and/or no solution to a problem could be found. Therefore without this outside input, the promlems/improvements would not have been found.
 
Dabanshee.... a couple of thoughts on your post. First of all, while i think it is fair to honestly discuss whether U.S. policy vis a vis Israel should change going forward, some of the other points brought up in the article aren't so worthy. The establishment of the state of Israel, and the foreign aid the U.S. has provided to it up to the current day are a fait accompli. Whether or not anyone feels that Israel is "legitimate" or not, is a nice theoretical exercise (perhaps), but is only that. Then again, that gets away from the core discussion of what our Middle East policies, specifically concerning Israel, should be NOW. Truman's reasoning for supporting an Israeli state has about as much bearing on this question, as his reasons for dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, has on modern day Japan-U.S. trade issues.

Secondly, pointing out atrocities on either side is of limited use, because i think almost all could agree that there have been more than enough sad episodes in the area to go around. I don't think any government or peoples have been covered in glory reflecting a purity of virtue or actions, when it comes to the Middle East.

In certain ways, i do feel bad for the Palestinian peoples. Even those whom one would consider a natural friend of the Palestinian cause have mostly used them as pawns in a larger power struggle. If the true crux of the issue was simply one of real estate to house the Palestinians, then the Arabs have not exactly covered themselves in glory either. I don't think i've ever heard of Jordan, Syria, or any other country, making available a realistic alternative for Palestinian displaced peoples. It's not as if population density is hitting critical mass on the Arabian penninsula. Maybe it's not exactly Maui were talking about, but there IS land there that could be offered to the Palestinians.

Trying to quantify how much "value" gets from foreign aid is perhaps a quixotic exercise. To show you what i mean, how much do you think it was "worth" spending for the United States to win the Cold War? Similarly, i don't know if you can put a price tag on aid to Israel, and see whether we have gotten our money's worth. Evidently, most U.S. Presidents and the Congress have evidently felt that it was worth the price to ensure a fairly stable and reliable ally in the region. You might disagree, but democracy over time is the surest way to ensure that the ultimate wishes of the people are recognized. For right or wrong is for each of us to decide, but i think it does reflect an overall concensus of the American people, that Israel is worth spending foreign aid money on.
 
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