Poll: Should we see the rest of Pics

[hokiezilla]

Yes they should be released. I will not view them, but I think they should be released no matter what.

I heard the audio portion (only) of them cutting off Berg's head and it absolutely sickened me.

 

[KarenMarie]

No!
We cannot show the pics (video) of Daniel Pearl being excuted by a bunch of fvcking animals.
We cannot show pics (video) of berg having his head cut off in a brutal manner.
But we shoudl show pics of our soliders (who are being prosecuted for it) exhibiting bad behaviour?
fvck that!!!

talk about political...

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
No!
We cannot show the pics (video) of Daniel Pearl being excuted by a bunch of fvcking animals.
We cannot show pics (video) of berg having his head cut off in a brutal manner.
But we shoudl show pics of our soliders (who are being prosecuted for it) exhibiting bad behaviour?
fvck that!!!

talk about political...

I saw both videos. I think it would be worse for this country to have the pictures slowly trickle out. lets just get it over with, and move on

 

[SuperTool]

Somebody sue under FOIA to get those pics?

 

[biostud]

No. It's against the Geneva convention, it will be harder to prosecute those responsible, and might also cost more life on both sides.

As long as there's taken care of business in a proper manner.

 

[Moonbeam]

We aren't talking, I think, about the beheading. We are talking about pictures of Americans humiliating Iraqi prisoners.

Zebo, all rights have to be balanced one against the other. You don't have freedom of speech to yell fire in a theater. Those pictures are yelling fire in a theater in my opinion. I cannot advocate, in good conscience, releasing pictures which will lead to the death of America soldiers or other innocent people. This matter, disgusting and troubling as it is, should take a back seat to the lives of people on the front lines. We are probably going to get shot over this, but we don't have to shoot ourselves. Let the death of others be on the hands of criminal leakers.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: biostud666
No. It's against the Geneva convention, it will be harder to prosecute those responsible, and might also cost more life on both sides.

As long as there's taken care of business in a proper manner.

Then it's a coverup.

I cannot advocate, in good conscience, releasing pictures which will lead to the death of America soldiers or other innocent people. This matter, disgusting and troubling as it is, should take a back seat to the lives of people on the front lines. We are probably going to get shot over this, but we don't have to shoot ourselves. Let the death of others be on the hands of criminal leakers.

as my parents would say to me when I ditched school. "you should have thought of the consequences then, shouldnt ya?"

 

[Ryan]

I'm not really interested in seeing photoes of two male soldiers having sex with each other, nor do I care to see the rest of the photos. The release of the photos does NOTHING to help the situation. Let the people who will be prosecuting the offenders see them, we, as a public, have no use for them.

 

[SuperTool]

Geneva convention my @ss. PICS? :camera:

 

[dahunan]

I want to see the pics of them forcing the male Muslims to masterbate and buttfvck each other..... **NOT!!! :evil:

I think their actions are a direct result of George Bush and CO. trying to PIN 9/11 on Saddam and the citizens of the country. They sent the soldiers over there with the belief that they are killing the people responsible for 9/11.

 

[dahunan]

AND .. the more I think about it..

Those pictures should never be shown anywhere....Personally, I do not think the Congress should have been allowed to see them either.. there are many sick and demented people in that Congress..

It is so sad that Bush got us into this mess and now the ONLY thing we can do is STAY THE COURSE.. just absolutely saddening.. Our soldiers should not be there in the conditions we allowed them to be sent over there in...

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We aren't talking, I think, about the beheading. We are talking about pictures of Americans humiliating Iraqi prisoners.

Zebo, all rights have to be balanced one against the other. You don't have freedom of speech to yell fire in a theater. Those pictures are yelling fire in a theater in my opinion. I cannot advocate, in good conscience, releasing pictures which will lead to the death of America soldiers or other innocent people. This matter, disgusting and troubling as it is, should take a back seat to the lives of people on the front lines. We are probably going to get shot over this, but we don't have to shoot ourselves. Let the death of others be on the hands of criminal leakers.

Well I don't feel to strongly about thier censor only because these images and videos are revolting I'm sure. I sure won't look at any of them. Problem I have with governemnt censorship in general is two fold. One they create a situation where these war crimes will not be under review by any independant body so the coverup is likly to continue as they already are doing with higher-ups not being named or pursued right now. I mean how can we expect those who condone and/or encouraged such behavior to fairly investigate or put an end to it. Sure "no camera allowed anymore" would be a good start to curtailing this behavior hehe but the liklyhood of stopping this toture culture they have created is nill. Same ole same ole with better discression.

Second is the slippery slopy. McVieh said seeing the way the FEDS manhandled the waco folks gave him all the reason he needed for revenge at OKC bombing. Do we stop these images from being broadcast? Several parents in the 80s sued OZZY aledging thier children commited suicide over a track called "suicide solution". Do we stop these artists? and who decides? FPS games have been blamed for school shootings...well you get where I'm going with this. People are nut jobs out there and can find justification for thier vile actions but to censor certainly will not prevent them they'll just find somthing else to blame until I can't even listen to frank sinatra cause everything on the planet is banned.

So basically your getting no citizen review maybe or maybe not fixing the problem and setting a bad precedent in censoring.

Grab the bull by it's horns. The truth will set you free.

 

[Shelly21]

Yes,

If there is a possibility that the pictures and videos will be leaked, might as well get them all out at once.

 

[IGBT]

Follow any of the Kennedy Klan around and your shure to see similar antics...

 

[Red Dawn]

Maybe we can offer a swap. Those 7 MP's for all Hostages in the hands of the Iraqi Insurgents!

 

[Antisocial Virge]

Originally posted by: biostud666
No. It's against the Geneva convention, it will be harder to prosecute those responsible, and might also cost more life on both sides.

As long as there's taken care of business in a proper manner.

I love now how they use the Geneva convention when they can use it to cover something up but then stop using it for those prisoners in Cuba..oh wait they are not POW..they are enemy combatents..

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur

So, you support the rape, murder, abuse, humiliation, etc. of innocent people? (NOTE: 70-90% of prisoners were wrongly arrested.) Also, are you aware that ALL of the photos shown so far are in violation of the Geneva Convention?

in the context mentioned above, yup....personally I don't care about the regulations of the Geneva convention when we have to watch a civilian get his head chopped off while alive.

 

[Fingolfin269]

These pictures had absolutely nothing to do with the beheading of our fellow American. To think that those people would actually need a reason to kill one of us is absurd. And I'm not talking about the Iraqi people. I'm talking about the terrorist types.

And by the way, the only real reason I can think of to hold the pictures is because I fear that the Iraqi general populace will see those pictures and then come to the conclusion that all Americans are the same as whatever twisted individuals are responsible for producing them.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur

So, you support the rape, murder, abuse, humiliation, etc. of innocent people? (NOTE: 70-90% of prisoners were wrongly arrested.) Also, are you aware that ALL of the photos shown so far are in violation of the Geneva Convention?

in the context mentioned above, yup....personally I don't care about the regulations of the Geneva convention when we have to watch a civilian get his head chopped off while alive.

Then you're on about the same level as Saddam.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Vadatajs]

There should really be a "not yet" choice. I voted no, but I feel they should be released after the transfer of power on June 30. I think that strikes a fair balance between the public's right to know, and the soldiers' right not to get their assess shot off with RPGs while they're still running iraq. I feel that once the Iraqis are more in control of their own destiny, they will calm down considerably.

 

[gordy]

whats the big deal, hell people pay good money here in the states to get treatment like they got, people pay good money to see it too..

hell, the MP's coulda been workin to make some side scratch: "EPOWS Gone Wild"

I love how Nancy Pelosi feigned wretching while walking out of the viewing area of the latest round of 'sexual depravity' images, the irony... doesn't she and her ilk fight for the right of the most debased sexual depravities?

MP's should have gotten Bronze Stars.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We just watched somebody beheaded because the photo's were released. Whoever released the first bunch should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Now it is rather late and irreparable damage has been done. But to release more inflammatory photos to savages who are obviously insane enough that they may yet again use them an an excuse to kill more innocent people strikes me as a foolish sort of idealism. I think we should announce and admit that there are more photos, state that we are working to bring those responsible to justice, but openly decline to release them because to do so would lend support to a dangerous small group of Iraq's criminally insane.

Another sensible post from Moonbeam.

I certainly agree with the Don's point re: free flow of information, but at this time, simply knowing these photos/videos exist is enough, and a decision to not release them would not equate to a coverup. Maybe in a couple of years, when things have (hopefully) settled down in Iraq, they can be released. Now is just not the time.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We just watched somebody beheaded because the photo's were released. Whoever released the first bunch should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Now it is rather late and irreparable damage has been done. But to release more inflammatory photos to savages who are obviously insane enough that they may yet again use them an an excuse to kill more innocent people strikes me as a foolish sort of idealism. I think we should announce and admit that there are more photos, state that we are working to bring those responsible to justice, but openly decline to release them because to do so would lend support to a dangerous small group of Iraq's criminally insane.

Another sensible post from Moonbeam.

I certainly agree with the Don's point re: free flow of information, but at this time, simply knowing these photos/videos exist is enough, and a decision to not release them would not equate to a coverup. Maybe in a couple of years, when things have (hopefully) settled down in Iraq, they can be released. Now is just not the time.

How is that sensible? Moonbeam, I'm not saying that you are wrong persay, but do you seriously think that those terrorists really need a REASON to kill an American? What was their reason for killing/burning/etc. the other four people a couple of weeks ago? There were no pictures then...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

IMO the collateral consequences of releasing these pictures (i.e., that the Iraqi insurgents might show less mercy for Americans, especially captured ones) will happen anyway. This is part of the reason I think the prisoner abuse scandal is such a big deal.

That said, it seems to me these people hate Americans so much anyway that the prisoner abuse is a secondary issue. I think withholding the pictures just aggravates the perception that our government is corrupt and has something to hide. Releasing them (with the faces blurred to protect the privacy of the inmates AND jailers) would send the message that we are willing to take responsibility for our actions, as long as it was paired with a sincere effort to get to the bottom of the problem and correct it. Unfortunately I don't think we have, to this point, demonstrated an adequate willingness to deal with this problem, and frankly I think President Bush needs to take bold action on this issue, and soon.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Our nation was founded on a set of principles that emphasize the importance of a free flow of information. Other things being equal, I think we always need to err in favor of more information, rather than less. Absent some particularized need to withhold some images (either because of a pending court-martial, for genuine national security reasons, etc), I think they should all be released.

The thing is, information is like water in today's culture, and it will find a way to flow, even if it's through a tiny hole. Somebody outside DoD will, through some channels, lay their hands on these, and when they do, they will be on the Internet within a day, and available to the world. In turn, they will materialize in newspapers in NY, Cairo, Jerusalem, Sao Paolo, Moscow, etc. At least if the US government releases them, it can do so on its own terms, and in doing so, send the message that it is not a shadow government with something to hide.

The only way to prevent the prisoner-abuse scandal from getting even worse is by taking the bull by the horns and confronting these issues head-on IMO.

It would be against the Geneva Convention to publish those photos.

Not publishing them does nothing to hurt the investigation and punishment of those responsible. It would hurt the people that were abused, break more conventions and inflame the passions of people that really don't need another excuse to kill.