Poll: Should Taiwan be unified? or Independent? from CHINA?

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Lifer
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Although I was born and raised in Canada, I have lived in China, and I have been to Taiwan several times. I have relatives in the military on both sides, in both regions.

Despite Taiwan's relative wealth, Taiwan seems far more immature politically than even China. It would be a mistake to arm Taiwan with nukes for obvious reasons. OTOH, this issue has come up several times with my relatives and the usual answer is that Taiwan doesn't need to defend itself because the US will come to its rescue. While this is possible, this is not guaranteed, especially with the US trying to better relations with the mainland for economic reasons. Plus one wonders if the US administration would be willing to sacrifice it's own country's citizens when both the Republican and Democratic administations have acknowledged that Taiwan is in fact a province of China.

As for the good being leeched out of Hong Kong, that is a simplistic statement. It is true that freedom of expression has taken a hit there since the takeover. On the other hand it has continued to prosper financially, and the link with China has offered many opportunities. It is amazing to see the continued transformation of southern Guangdong province, funded partially by Hong Kong money. This in turns generates more cash for Hong Kong business. Shenzhen, which is just a stone's throw away and now has several million people. The last time I was there (and I'm not that old) there were just a few 10's of thousands of people. One could argue that the "takeover" is of Hong Kong over southern China.

The same applies to the Taiwan issue. If I were a Taiwan resident, I would never accept a Communist Chinese goverment ruling over me in the short term. However, to unilaterally declare independence would be a serious mistake. Japan would have a field day. Already Taiwan and Japan are fighting for access to parts of the Chinese market. Japan has the advantage of better technology and a better infrastructure, but Taiwan has the huge advantage of a common language and heritage. With an independent Taiwan, all of that would be lost. Furthermore, not only would the huge market of mainland China be lost, economic links with the rest of the world would be at serious risk, since China continue to have a lot of clout in the world scene.

 

JellyBaby

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The situation as it stands is working fine. Errors could be made by China by threatening to "conquer" Taiwan. They could be made by Taiwan by declaring full independence. They could also be made by any foreign country seeking to influence the region.

So my recommendation is to leave things where they are and honor borders as they are. Too bad the middle east can't adopt a similar stance. Of course, this is wishful thinking. But if sh!t hits the fan, let's hope diplomacy would resolve the problems.
 

Borushka

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Ha, this is unusual to me. Let me start off by saying, I am in no way asian, or do I have any information about this situation from a primary source. This is just what my uneducated view is on the situation. I can not say I would goto war for Taiwann and die so big electronic corporations can go on making money, but I would goto Taiwann and fight for their freedom. There are alot of freedoms that we take for granted, that mainland Chinese people do not have, I would gladly risk my life so that a larger majority of people may have the choice to enjoy theirs.
 

XMan

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Interesting. I'm sure there were similar debates raging back in 1776 as to whether the upstart American colonies should be unified again with the British Empire.

Taiwan's people have disavowed themselves from mainland China. Despite the fact that the United States refuses to recognize their soverignity, they have become a different nation entirely. For them to be reunified with China would basically destroy everything they've worked to achieve over the last five (?) decades.

I think everyone can pretty much agree that Communism is a dehumanizing and totalitarian system . . . to stand by and allow any nation to be taken in under it's umbrella would be reprehensible.
 

ManSnake

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Maybe u don't realize this, but over half of the Taiwanese people polled said that they would like the current status quo to remain, which means there is only one China and Taiwan is an inseparable part of China (China meaning either ROC or PRC, depend on which side u r on)!

BTW more than half of the Taiwanese people polled also feel that Ah-Bian (CSB) a.k.a. Ah-Q (dumbass), (for those of u don't know who he is, he is the current president of the Republic of China a.k.a. Taiwan, a.k.a. Formosa, a member of the Democratic Progressive Party(DPP) a.k.a. tree-hugger party, a.k.a. independence party) that he is a dumbass, dumber than GWB? Perhaps, the world will see!!:D
 

CAK

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I would like to see it NOT happen, but the US won't do anything that involves military to prevent it. The US only gets involved with small, poor countries.

Hong Kong went down hill when china took it back. ALOT of people (with money) left before hand going to places like australia, singapore, ect.

Bottom line, if china wants taiwan they will get it.
 

Valhalla2000

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Well Taiwan can never declare independence. China will just invade without any warning. That's why majority of people in Taiwan wants to remain the current status. However, China is trying in everyway to make the name "Taiwan" disappear to make other people believe Taiwan is part of China. Such as in olympics, international exhibition and competitions.

And i HATE this, F*uck China, they should all go to Hell !! :|
 

Tominator

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Red Dawn
Rommel's only real accomplishment was to challenge a much superior British force in North Africa. If he had been properly supplied, and he was not, the outcome there would have been much different.

Bush formed a coalition of Governments that most thought impossible. Bush made it succeed! His influence and respect in the region is and never will be eclipsed by Clinton or Gore.
 

Borushka

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Tominator, you seem to me, to be an enlightened individual. Form your own opinions and not those based on your party. Then, your blind arguements will not be falling into Red Dawn's traps so much.
 

Tominator

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This is Major Tom to ground control? ...Maybe...??


Wealth and influence is all any country has in the end.
Bush is a HERO in the region...

 

Tominator

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Borushka I enjoy a challenge! Red Dawn's traps are but a distraction!:cool:

I've yet to not escape!:D
 

ManSnake

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Isn't it ironic that "our hero" Bush was kicked out by the people from the oval office eight years ago in favor of a liar and wife-cheater?
 

JenniZ

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HAHAHAHAAHA

"bush is a hero"

LOL, I really did laugh out loud when I heard that. That is probably one of the funniest things I have heard this week! Good job Tom. :)

No I'm not a democrat, I'm not even liberal, I just find that statement to be.....HILARIOUS

LOL...bush is a hero... LOL

::walks off looking up in the sky and laughing "bush is a hero" ha ha ha ha::
 

Borushka

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ManSnake, Tominator is right, the Bush administration did do alot for the foreign affair, altough there is not much to be said for internal affairs. As far as Clinton being elected, besides the majority of the voting public being unaware about their canidates, there was not a whole lot of good choice to choose from on that ballet.
 

Tominator

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JenniZ Hey thanks!...I think...as I watch you laughing hysterically while walking into the sunset....glad I could push...ah..ahh.. help you....:D
 

JenniZ

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TommyBoy:

Thanks :)

You should be a joke writer or something. "Bush is a Hero" is a good one, I'm going to tell that one to all my friends, I'll make sure and give you credit. :)
Even my republican friends would find that statement to be halarious. My parents are Christian Right-Wing republicans (but not extream), and THEY would find that statement to be hilarious.
 

ManSnake

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"Tominator is right"

LOL, true, true, he is definitely right but not correct!

Hahaha...
 

SuperTool

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I would not let Dubya touch my computer when I am playing Red Alert 2, much less be the Commander in Chief of our armed forces. Gimme a break. If sh!t goes down, he will probably run to his daddy and cry. Or ask Cheney what to do. I just don't see, and don't want to see, Dubya making any foreign policy decisions.
 

ManSnake

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"After the absolute failure that Clinton/Gore has been, how could he be worse?"

Easy, Bush Jr. will surely have (absolute failure)^2:D
 

SuperTool

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I don't know if he is going to be much worse. But Clinton and Gore didn't really have to deal with anything major in foreign policy, so it didn't matter. Bush will have to deal with major issues, with the Middle east ecalating, but most importantly the whole ABM issue. It's an extremely sensitive issue that requires a lot of thinking before jumping into. I just don't see Dubya as a man with enough brains to even begin to consider the geopolitical implications of this. I just hope he isn't influenced by the defense industry money when making these decisions.
 

ManSnake

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Dubya: "Isn't Slovenia the same country as Slovakia?"
aid: "Uhh... I think they are two different countries."
Dubya: "Don't matter, they all sounded the same to me, let's nuke them damn commie bastards!"
aid: "Uhh... I think they broke away from communism when the Soviets fell."
Dubya: "Is it that u don't know english or what? I said nuke em, nuke em, nuke em..."


 

The Wildcard

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Actually, i think Bush will use some good STRA-TE-GERY by maintaing the DIG-NI-TUDE of the white house. Remember, Bush is a UNI-FI-CATOR, not a divider....lol..haha...SNL, hahaha.