Poll: Should Taiwan be unified? or Independent? from CHINA?

[j@cko]

Right now, there have been discussion about unification from both government.
However, myself is a Taiwanese (not Chinese (China)), I am on the side of idependence, I believe many people have the same belief as me.
Why can't China just let Taiwan go? Leave them alone! Let the people who live in Taiwan decide!! NOt those politicians!!!
People say for the long run it's good for both nations, I know that too. However, I believe Taiwan will be able to survive by itself even without the unification.
It will need to start to focus more on Software development rather than hardware, and Bio tech, in the other word, high high tech. Let china do all the laboring.
Increase the education level of the citizen, like Singapore.

 

[IamDavid]

Why should Taiwan re-unify with China? They would gain nothing and lose everything they have fought for.

 

[Tominator]

jackc20_00

I agree with you. I hope the US provides all support necessary to prevent any takeover by the Communist Chinese be it political or otherwise.

 

[The Wildcard]

Okay gonna turn my flamesuit on, lol...

First off, do you know what you just said?

However, myself is a Taiwanese (not Chinese (China)),

Taiwanese and not Chinese? NO. We are all chinese people, no matter where you come from, either Hong Kong, China, or Taiwan.

Now, China and Taiwain should NOT completely unify because Taiwan's social and economic structure is much better off on its own.

I mean i would not like it if I was living in Taiwan and all of a sudden my country turned into a communist society. If China were to attack and invade Taiwan, it would destroy Taiwan's economic power which in world of semiconductors is quite large. I believe Taiwan produces the majority of computer parts in the world, such as motherboards, cpus, ram and video cards.

WHAT they should do, is COMPROMISE! Taiwain should recongize that they are a part of China BECAUSE we are all CHINESE people. BUT China should not force their communists beliefs and control on Taiwan and INSTEAD let Taiwain operate on its own, much like how China allows Hong Kong a certain amount of freedom.

 

[Tominator]

The_Wildcard....bull shxt! Sooner or later the Communists will leech out anything good that still exists in Hong Kong...it is going to take awhile, but it WILL happen!

This is my only concern with the US tradeing with China. I'm afraid that economic concerns might outweigh our best interest in maintaining Democracy in the region. Possibly, it is a calculated risk. Communism never works so maybe the economic influence might overcome the politcal influence but I fear we might just sacrifice Taiwan in the process...

 

[Wedesdo]

hummm.... i should stay out of this - since i'm from mainland china, and my opinions probably differ too much.

 

[The Wildcard]

Wesdedo: Hahaha, true...

Tominator: Hmmm you do bring up a good point. I am not saying it's gonna be easy. Part of Taiwain's success in the electronic field comes from its independance so far.

In the compromise, China is going to need to sacrifice alot and maybe you are right, they might not be able to do it.

But i am just trying to think of ways that we can solve this problem without the threat of constant war, which if did occur, would bring the US into which is something i don't want to see.

 

[Tominator]

The ONLY threat of war comes from China. Taiwan offers no threat to them except the one they cannot accept...success.

 

[The Wildcard]

Tominator: That's true too BUT Taiwan doesn't help the situation by constantly insisting on independance and nothing else. In addition, when Taiwain purchases several large weapon products from countries like the United States such as destroyers, submarines and advanced radar equipment, it also worsens the situation because it builds an arms race.

Now of course the same could be said of China which constantly runs huge war excersies that mimic a practice invasion of the island.

 

[JellyBaby]

Currently Taiwan is just a political bargaining chip used by China's for foreign relations purposes. They won't launch an attack anytime soon. Of course they have threatened Taiwan...hate that independence idea and all...so it could truly be a touchy situation if China's Head Honchos covet the $$$ of that small isle.

Much if not most of my electronics came from Taiwan. Out of pure self interest I would hate to see instability there. On a higher plane I'd also hate to see communism could expand in the 21st century, so I'm in favor of military action to secure independence for Taiwan if they ask us for help.

 

[The Wildcard]

I would also hate to see war breakout there, especially American forces because that gives rise to a direct war between China and America. But if China did invade, that would be a wrong and violent step which should be immediately dealt with by the US.

 

[ManSnake]

"Yeah right, maybe some of us do not feel it would be worth the sacrifice. I don't think it would be. "

LOL, So much for that Taiwan and US are best of friends bs from Ah-Bian (aka Ah-Q)!!

 

[The Wildcard]

Hahaha red dawn, i thought in your earlier post, you were talking about how Bush is too much of a coward to do the right thing, which i THOUGHT was to intervene if china invaded taiwan. I am sorry, I must have misinterpreted you

 

[ManSnake]

"Afterwards China would be of no threat to us at all."

LOL, we would be nuked also. If we sell nukes to Taiwan, then China would surely make more ICBM instead of their current 20 ICBM, what would we do then? Wait and get nuked?

 

[The Wildcard]

Wow if we sold Taiwain nuclear weapons, umm yeah China would be a little pissed, lol...that would take the arms race to a higher level. I hope to god the US implements some advanced from of the NMD in the near future that actually works.

 

[ManSnake]

"I hope to god the US implements some advanced from of the NMD in the near future that actually works."

Not if Bush is in charge, nothing will work under Bush!

 

[The Wildcard]

Hahah uh oh Mansnake, you'd better borrow my flamesuit, cuz looks like you are gonna need it...

 

[ManSnake]

Got that right, I am wearing two layers!

 

[oblivion2888]

CHINA STINKS!!! u want higher mem prices?

 

[Tominator]

<< I agree. Like Father like son. >>



George Bush led the most successful military campaign since the 'Blitzkreig' of WWII. It was in the form of Desert Shield/Storm. This is not arguable.

When it comes to the possibility of armed conflict, few Democrats are up to it.. Clinton/Gore?! Give me a break!:|

 

[SuperTool]

Let's see. Do I want the communists controlling our motherboard supplies. No.
Am I willing to fight and die for that. No.

 

[Zoe]

I'm not from Taiwan or China, but I believe that Taiwan should reunify with China. Before the Japanese annexed the island during WW2, Taiwan was an official part of the mainland. Only after Japan signed the post-war treaty in defeat did they relinquish control of many territorities they had seized, including Taiwan. At that time, the Nationalists had indeed fled to the island and taken control of it, but the only reason that China didn't go ahead with reclaiming Taiwan after the war by using force was because of US involvement (i.e. our 7th fleet blockading much of China's coast). US interference is also the reason why Taiwan continues to this day to be rather defiant and arrogant over the entire subject of reunification.

Another reason for reunification is that at present, Taiwan and China are heavily linked in terms of business and investment. Taiwan's economic future is at least 70% related to the mainland because their entrepreneurs and business folk have sunk billions of dollars into China both in terms of raw capital and infrastructure. In the latest presidential election, the Taiwanese elected the pro-independence candidate (only because you only need a relative majority, not 51% to win). The result is a declining economy because investors are shaky about the political instability of cross-strait relations, and they're pulling out. Bottom line; reunification will solidify the business ties that Taiwan has in China. These ties are also the key to Taiwan's future.

As for the political arguments which usually entail some absurd fear of 'Commie-takeover', there is nothing of the sort. In the aforementioned presidential elections, the pro-independence party won only about 37% of the total votes. The party working towards gradual reunification won most of the remaining 63%. The pro-independents only won because the KMT party had two candidates splitting 63%, and in Taiwan you don't need an absolute majority of >=51% to win; you only need a relative majority. The majority of Taiwanese voters voice support for the grdualist party. Also, China is willing to make special autonomy concessions in a reunification agreement (similar to the 50 year agreement in Hong Kong).

With the way that their economy is spiralling, and the example of Hong Kong's good performance the last 3 years as part of China, the people have another reason to convince themselves that pro-independence is perhaps not the way to go.

 

[Crimson]

Red Dawn - You are invading EVERY thread with your political BS.. I am writing a formal complaint and request that you be BANNED to the moderators.. I know it won't do any good but you are 10 times the problem that Paulson and GUTB ever were.. I encourage others to complain to the moderators as well..

 

[KarsinTheHutt]

If Taiwan gets attacked, AMD and VIA will hire soldiers of fortune to defend chipset factories.

 

[Tominator]

Crimson

Red Dawn and myself go back to the very beginning of these Forums. Sometimes he is abusive and obnoxious or just down right dumb!.....Qualities I continually try to emulate!...and I'm good at it.......

This and other topics have been addressed so many times here that some of us tend to respond in a very 'short' way. If you are not privy to the previous 'beatings of a dead horse,' you would not understand....


...However, us 'old timers' realise you new fellows want to keep the post tally up!