Poll:Should prostitution be legal in the US?

[Geekbabe]

Legalizing prostition not only brings regulation which reduces street crime and the nightly blight experienced in many otherwise nice urban neighborhoods it also brings working girls some right to police protection from so called clients that would beat,rob,haress them. Hookers would also be brought into the loop for regular medical care and many gals who are addicted to drugs could be effectively outreached for treatment.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Fausto's thread about the soft porn star selling tricks made me think of this and as Carlin says

Selling is legal, boinking is legal, so why is selling boinking illegal?


Keep it civilized and mature please. just curious about laws that force moralities on others, since the sodomy law just recently got tossed out.

Considering laws.....ALL laws force moralities on others. Like it or not this is a christian based society. Murder is of course illegal (morality) stealing (morality) doing bad things with kids (morality).....so why NOT sodamy??

consensual behavior between consenting adults is the difference.

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm
You see, there are ATOT'ers here that believe their level of intelligence, morality, and even right-or-wrongness depends upon a person's level of open-mindedness. That is ignorant. Prostitution is dirty and low, and legalizing it will not prevent the spread of disease or crime.

The regulated prostitution will have a high cost... sluts will file claims against their vassals who don't pay and people will sue for disease, yada yada...

What, are you kidding me? Look at your dumb a$$ argument and even TRY comparing it to any other existing business out there. You have obviously never rented anything in your life, because you'd know that all rental places (be they video or hardware) require some form of valid credit card to ensure that they can collect money you owe them if you try and skip out. And somehow I think brothels would be a "pay at the door" kind of business. What, they'll let you fvck and then walk out after saying you were "dissatisified with the product"?

To the second part, disease, again, no legit business owner would endanger clients in ways like that. Not making sure your equipment is safe is a sure way to get your a$$ tossed in jail and sued out of existance. Considering the attention that would likely be focused on brothels, an owner would have to be out of their mind not to make sure his employees were clean. You even get 60 Minutes in the backwoods hole you live in?

Now, is the euqating of women to machines in the above sad? Yes. Is it accurate, however? Yes. Is it disgusting that the analogy works so well? Hell ya!

Prostitution has existed pretty much everywhere and at all times. The odd example cited here that might have been otherwise is NOT a place anyone (here at least) would willingly live in. Even if you don't have streetwalkers, pretty much every town has that one lady who will willingly open their legs for a chap with a trinket for her. Ppl are going to fvck no matter what the law says. Children are going to learn that it exists and is out there, even if it's in the course of learning what'll land them burning in hell. About the only way you're ever going to elimate prostitution and all the other moral evils is by creating a nation that's the fusion of an Orwellian-dictatorship and a fundamentalist-religion-theocracy.

-- Jack

Morality is the theory that every human act must be either right or wrong, and that 99 percent of them are wrong.
-- H.L. Mencken

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: Amused
Yes, it should be legal. The government has no right telling people what they may, or may not do with their own bodies.

Laws against prosititution are simply morality based nanny-state laws, no different than safety based nanny-state laws. One party wants to save your body, the other wants to save your soul and both are willing to go to great lengths restricting your freedom to accomplish this.

Both just need to get the hell out of our lives.

FFM, of course people have no self control. It's been usurped by the nanny-state government.

So what your saying is that drugs should be legal? I feel like smoking/killing myself right now.

Also, I guess drinking should be legal for all ages. As should driving drunk. The people who drink are harming themselves. They are doing it to their own bodies.

In fact, my finger feels like pulling a trigger and shooting 1,000 people right now, so guns should be legal too according to your statement, because my BODY feels like shooting a gun.

And I guess you're saying that steroids should be legal too? Athletes should be able to take steroids and make themselves ultimate runners/swimmers? They're doing it to their body, and as you say, the gov't can't tell people what to do with their body.

I stopped reading this thread after this post. Just a bunch of smut.

~Aunix

oh and P.S. I don't really feel like doing drugs or shooting a gun. Just making a statement. I don't do drugs and never will...

 

[yellowperil]

So much for enforcing morality. So we bust a homeless crack addict prostitute, but turn the other way for escort services and VIP rooms in certain clubs.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: AunixM3

Originally posted by: Amused
Yes, it should be legal. The government has no right telling people what they may, or may not do with their own bodies.

Laws against prosititution are simply morality based nanny-state laws, no different than safety based nanny-state laws. One party wants to save your body, the other wants to save your soul and both are willing to go to great lengths restricting your freedom to accomplish this.

Both just need to get the hell out of our lives.

FFM, of course people have no self control. It's been usurped by the nanny-state government.

So what your saying is that drugs should be legal? I feel like smoking/killing myself right now.

Also, I guess drinking should be legal for all ages. As should driving drunk. The people who drink are harming themselves. They are doing it to their own bodies.

In fact, my finger feels like pulling a trigger and shooting 1,000 people right now, so guns should be legal too according to your statement, because my BODY feels like shooting a gun.

And I guess you're saying that steroids should be legal too? Athletes should be able to take steroids and make themselves ultimate runners/swimmers? They're doing it to their body, and as you say, the gov't can't tell people what to do with their body.

If you can't see where in your rant a person's activities start to adversely affect people around them.....

 

[Red]

Had to drive home from work, sorry I didn't get to jump into some of the things said 😉

Most arguments, like this one, come down to a personal, moral decision. We can debate about the pros and cons of legalizing prostitution, even if we don't agree or support the act, right? Even that statement comes down to a simple moral opinion/decision: I do not agree with prostitution. I, for one, think sex is a special commitment that should be shared beteen life partners.

I know we can sit here and say that humans are animals, and sex is just another function of reproduction and its pleasurable benefits should be shared among all sane, consenting adults. I for one do not agree with that because I believe we (humans) separate ourselves from the beast with reasoning and some of us... faith/Christianity.

Everyone ostensibly has their own opinion and view of sexual intercourse and their own view of how a moral/immoral act should be regulated through government. I don't believe something I find degrading and immoral should be legalized because the participants consent.

You may not see my point. I feel that consenting adults should be able to do anything they want inside their own home, because I would not force my judgement on someone. However, it is against my own character to legalize an activity in my country that I don't support. If prostitution were legalized, I wouldn't move away or kill anyone or do anything like that, I just wouldn't vote/support it.

 

[chrisms]

The thing you Christians (or others who think sex before marriage is immoral) don't understand is that it doesnt matter what your morals are. Just because you believe it is wrong, do you think everyone else should be forced to follow your views?

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: AunixM3

Originally posted by: Amused
Yes, it should be legal. The government has no right telling people what they may, or may not do with their own bodies.

Laws against prosititution are simply morality based nanny-state laws, no different than safety based nanny-state laws. One party wants to save your body, the other wants to save your soul and both are willing to go to great lengths restricting your freedom to accomplish this.

Both just need to get the hell out of our lives.

FFM, of course people have no self control. It's been usurped by the nanny-state government.

So what your saying is that drugs should be legal? I feel like smoking/killing myself right now.

Also, I guess drinking should be legal for all ages. As should driving drunk. The people who drink are harming themselves. They are doing it to their own bodies.

In fact, my finger feels like pulling a trigger and shooting 1,000 people right now, so guns should be legal too according to your statement, because my BODY feels like shooting a gun.

And I guess you're saying that steroids should be legal too? Athletes should be able to take steroids and make themselves ultimate runners/swimmers? They're doing it to their body, and as you say, the gov't can't tell people what to do with their body.

I stopped reading this thread after this post. Just a bunch of smut.

~Aunix

oh and P.S. I don't really feel like doing drugs or shooting a gun. Just making a statement. I don't do drugs and never will...

Let's see here:

Drugs should be legal and people should be educated properly about them instead of making blanket statements that have no truth to them.

Why not make drinking legal for all ages and at the same time, educate people about drinking. I'm sure there's going to be less problems with underage drinking and the effects of same if kids are permitted to do it and they are made aware of the potential consequences beforehand.

Your point about making drunk driving legal is stupid. Driving drunk can be demonstrably shown to be harmful to not only you but anyone else on the road with you. Just drinking in general can't automatically be proven to be harmful to everyone besides you.

I don't know what country you're in, but guns are legal here in the US, so your point regarding guns is going off on some tangent I can't figure out.

Steroids should be legal if you want to bulk up on your own. It's your body, not anyone else's. However, at the same time you should not be permitted to compete if you're using steroids. If you want to use them, you should be allowed to do so, just not compete while using them. That's different from making them legal or illegal for use at all.

Finally, I firmly believe that prostitution should be legal. A woman or man has the right to sell their body if they like, and the government should not be the one making this decision for them.

The point is: A thing should be legal if you're not harming anyone directly or indirectly by your actions. The government should not be playing the role of nursemaid to people who have the ability to make informed decisions on their own.

 

[AreaCode707]

Absolutely irrelevant point. Does anyone else find it amusing what ads were chosen for the left side of the forums for this topic?

 

[Red]

Originally posted by: chrisms
The thing you Christians (or others who think sex before marriage is immoral) don't understand is that it doesnt matter what your morals are. Just because you believe it is wrong, do you think everyone else should be forced to follow your views?

No, but we should do what we can (vote/support) to keep our idea in the law. Just as those who feel sex is just a wet hole shouldn't try to force their view on the subject either.

 

[GroundZero]

the government sells it in nevada

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm

Originally posted by: chrisms
The thing you Christians (or others who think sex before marriage is immoral) don't understand is that it doesnt matter what your morals are. Just because you believe it is wrong, do you think everyone else should be forced to follow your views?

No, but we should do what we can (vote/support) to keep our idea in the law. Just as those who feel sex is just a wet hole shouldn't try to force their view on the subject either.

You are a wet hole,sex is fun!

 

[Wuffsunie]

Why not make drinking legal for all ages and at the same time, educate people about drinking. I'm sure there's going to be less problems with underage drinking and the effects of same if kids are permitted to do it and they are made aware of the potential consequences beforehand.

Heeheeheehee, I love this one. Let's turn it around a little. How about you make it legal for everyone to vote? Last I checked, learning about government and how it works was already included in the school system. Thus, if you wind up with a total dumbass in the White House, you can blame the elementry school children or some such.

Really, though, most of the arguments you two had been slingling back and forth have been REALLY dumb. The thing with most laws are that they distinguish between a minor and an adult. As soon as you cross that magic age of 18/19/21 you're suddenly an adult and assumed to be intelligent enough to make your own decisions. Below 18, you're a minor whose actions are the responsibility, at least in large part, of those adults involved in thier lives.

The argument for prostitution involves consenting adults. Should a person of legal age be able to whore themselves out to other persons of legal age in a designated legal establishment if they want to?

-- Jack

Immorality: the morality of those who are having a better time.
-- H.L. Mencken

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


That is hardly the worlds oldest profession. Such a deceptive description. It's dirty. It's low. It's not a society that I want my children growing up in.

Too late.

Name one society in which protitution is not widespread. Just one.

No government, no matter how oppressive, has ever been able to stop it. And the only places in which disease and exploitation has been minimized are those places it has been legalized and taken out of the back alleys.

Besides, who are you to tell a person they can't do what they want with their own body? What's next, regulating what food they can eat?

They can do with their body what they want. This country is all about defense of personal freedom that does not intrude on other people's freedoms. Well, I don't want that kind of crap being put into my kids heads. Why do you think we have censors in the media? Why not get rid of them then? Why do we have rules in society at ALL? Why do we even HAVE a government?

I think we have government to protect our rights. And for some of us our rights include paying for sex and having sex for money. the media doesnt need to be censored because if someone doesnt want to watch something they dont have to, goto the library and pick up a damn book. Raise your kids to know what is right and what is wrong and it doesnt really matter how many whores are in the streets or what is on the television. The people in amsterdam are a helluva lot more cultered, classy and genuine than any americans I';ve met and they have no holds barred porn on tv, practically legalized drugs and sex. Americans that complain about stuff like this need to stop being such cry baby faggots and grow up. IF you dont like something dont do it, watch it, look at it, eat it, smell it, smoke it, poke it whatever...........just dont go tellin me i cant do what i want because it bothers you.

You must be an anarchist. "Let me do what I want and as long as I don't bother you, don't worry about."

and your point is?

You don't live in an anarchist world. We wouldn't have laws or language or anything. Your logic of "let me do what I want" will never happen.

I could be mistaken but I thought minimal government interference was the basis on which this country was founded and since then , sick and twisted individuals such as your self have been dedicated to sucking all freedoms away. I'm not an anrachist I'm more into a true hands off except when necessary government.

And in God we trust, right? The country obviously had a much more stringent Christian founding than where it lays now. I think eventually prostitution will be legal, as things become much more lenient now.

Nothing like hanging your historical ignorance out for the world to see.

The Founding Fathers did NOT put "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance or "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency. "Under God" was added to the Pledge by an act of Congress in 1954, during the McCarthy "communist witch hunt" hysteria. "In God We Trust" began to appear on coins in 1864 and became the official motto of the United States only in 1956. [The motto conceived by the Founding Fathers was "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many, One).]

Prostitution was legal in most areas of the US until the late 1800s and the Victorian era. Hell, Washington DC had legal brothels for decades.

Our nation was founded on libertarian principles, not Christian principles. It wasn't until over 100 years after the founding of this nation that prostitution, drugs and abortion were outlawed.

 

[ElFenix]

prostitutes are known as hookers because of Gen Hooker's (of civil war fame) fondness for them

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie

Why not make drinking legal for all ages and at the same time, educate people about drinking. I'm sure there's going to be less problems with underage drinking and the effects of same if kids are permitted to do it and they are made aware of the potential consequences beforehand.

Heeheeheehee, I love this one. Let's turn it around a little. How about you make it legal for everyone to vote? Last I checked, learning about government and how it works was already included in the school system. Thus, if you wind up with a total dumbass in the White House, you can blame the elementry school children or some such.

Really, though, most of the arguments you two had been slingling back and forth have been REALLY dumb. The thing with most laws are that they distinguish between a minor and an adult. As soon as you cross that magic age of 18/19/21 you're suddenly an adult and assumed to be intelligent enough to make your own decisions. Below 18, you're a minor whose actions are the responsibility, at least in large part, of those adults involved in thier lives.

The argument for prostitution involves consenting adults. Should a person of legal age be able to whore themselves out to other persons of legal age in a designated legal establishment if they want to?

-- Jack

Immorality: the morality of those who are having a better time.
-- H.L. Mencken

OK, some of my points aren't exactly reasonable. We don't want to have 4 year old kids drinking, of course. But why is 21 the magic age when you're suddenly able to drink and do it responsibly? I've met some mature 15 year olds and I've also met immature 21 year olds. Personally, I'd trust the 15 year old in that case to drink responsibly more than I would the 21 year old.

I guess there probably is no good answer to the age limit problem since everyone matures differently. I guess all we can hope for is that by 21, you're reasonably able to make a good decision. You should still be well-educated about the potential consequences, regardless of what age you are.

::shrug::

 

[Red]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


That is hardly the worlds oldest profession. Such a deceptive description. It's dirty. It's low. It's not a society that I want my children growing up in.

Too late.

Name one society in which protitution is not widespread. Just one.

No government, no matter how oppressive, has ever been able to stop it. And the only places in which disease and exploitation has been minimized are those places it has been legalized and taken out of the back alleys.

Besides, who are you to tell a person they can't do what they want with their own body? What's next, regulating what food they can eat?

They can do with their body what they want. This country is all about defense of personal freedom that does not intrude on other people's freedoms. Well, I don't want that kind of crap being put into my kids heads. Why do you think we have censors in the media? Why not get rid of them then? Why do we have rules in society at ALL? Why do we even HAVE a government?

I think we have government to protect our rights. And for some of us our rights include paying for sex and having sex for money. the media doesnt need to be censored because if someone doesnt want to watch something they dont have to, goto the library and pick up a damn book. Raise your kids to know what is right and what is wrong and it doesnt really matter how many whores are in the streets or what is on the television. The people in amsterdam are a helluva lot more cultered, classy and genuine than any americans I';ve met and they have no holds barred porn on tv, practically legalized drugs and sex. Americans that complain about stuff like this need to stop being such cry baby faggots and grow up. IF you dont like something dont do it, watch it, look at it, eat it, smell it, smoke it, poke it whatever...........just dont go tellin me i cant do what i want because it bothers you.

You must be an anarchist. "Let me do what I want and as long as I don't bother you, don't worry about."

and your point is?

You don't live in an anarchist world. We wouldn't have laws or language or anything. Your logic of "let me do what I want" will never happen.

I could be mistaken but I thought minimal government interference was the basis on which this country was founded and since then , sick and twisted individuals such as your self have been dedicated to sucking all freedoms away. I'm not an anrachist I'm more into a true hands off except when necessary government.

And in God we trust, right? The country obviously had a much more stringent Christian founding than where it lays now. I think eventually prostitution will be legal, as things become much more lenient now.

Nothing like hanging your historical ignorance out for the world to see.

The Founding Fathers did NOT put "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance or "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency. "Under God" was added to the Pledge by an act of Congress in 1954, during the McCarthy "communist witch hunt" hysteria. "In God We Trust" began to appear on coins in 1864 and became the official motto of the United States only in 1956. [The motto conceived by the Founding Fathers was "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many, One).]

Prostitution was legal in most areas of the US until the late 1800s and the Victorian era. Hell, Washington DC had legal brothels for decades.

Our nation was founded on libertarian principles, not Christian principles. It wasn't until over 100 years after the founding of this nation that prostitution, drugs and abortion were outlawed.

Congratulation, Commander Google search! I replied to this thread with thoughts and feelings above, if you have any reply to the relevant topic, please do. And while you're at it, fetch me a list of our founding fathers names and their religious denomination.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

ahh yes. lets penalize amused for fact checking..... *BZZZZZZZ* wrong answer.

 

[Red]

Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
ahh yes. lets penalize amused for fact checking..... *BZZZZZZZ* wrong answer.

That fact of the matter is, I don't like it when someone says I'm hanging my ignorance out the window because I didn't do a google search like he may have. Because I am not a history major and do not profess myself to be any type of history expert, should I be penalized? *BZZZ* Mr. Macdonald.

 

[isekii]

it would be cheaper all around.

regulation is the key.

Safety issue is a concern.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: dnetmhz
Yes, Only if it is regulated properly however.

exactly, regular tests, protection required, businesses only, not on the streetcorner.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm

Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
ahh yes. lets penalize amused for fact checking..... *BZZZZZZZ* wrong answer.

That fact of the matter is, I don't like it when someone says I'm hanging my ignorance out the window because I didn't do a google search like he may have. Because I am not a history major and do not profess myself to be any type of history expert, should I be penalized? *BZZZ* Mr. Macdonald.

If it invalidates your argument, yes.

And in God we trust, right? The country obviously had a much more stringent Christian founding than where it lays now. I think eventually prostitution will be legal, as things become much more lenient now.

*bzzzzzt*

Next!

 

[Red]

I'm out of this topic like fat girl in dodge ball! Noone has my back! =)
.. http://home.insightbb.com/~j.manuel/img/mj4.jpg .. Besides, do you really think I would consider legalizing prostitution with a soulmate like that?

I'd like to have a pole of single men/men who don't enjoy their relationship vs. happily married men with this same question.

 

[Red]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm

Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
ahh yes. lets penalize amused for fact checking..... *BZZZZZZZ* wrong answer.

That fact of the matter is, I don't like it when someone says I'm hanging my ignorance out the window because I didn't do a google search like he may have. Because I am not a history major and do not profess myself to be any type of history expert, should I be penalized? *BZZZ* Mr. Macdonald.

If it invalidates your argument, yes.

And in God we trust, right? The country obviously had a much more stringent Christian founding than where it lays now. I think eventually prostitution will be legal, as things become much more lenient now.

*bzzzzzt*

Next!

My final thoughts are up above. Let's stop playing quick recall. *bzzzt*