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Yep. The only youth organization (aside from church groups) that has a ban on homosexual membership is the Boy Scouts. Girl Scouts, Camp Fire, Blue Jays, Boys and Girls club, etc. are all fine with it.
Let me clarify one thing real quick: I AGREE that the BSA can (as long as they're a private organization without public funding) select their members with whatever criteria they wish. No one would tell the KKK to allow a Jewish or African American person into their organization. As it stand the BSA CAN, and SHOULD be albe to, do whatever they want. However, this was not my question. I want to know what YOU think about homosexuals in the BSA, not what you think the BSA's rights are. I understand why so many of us feel the need to say that the BSA can do what they want, but this was not the question. >>
Well that question is difficult to answer BECAUSE there are many varibles.
Lets take a look at the scout mission statement.
<< The Boy Scouts of America is the nation's foremost youth program of character development and values-based leadership training. In the future Scouting will continue to
Offer young people responsible fun and adventure;
Instill in young people lifetime values and develop in them ethical character as expressed in the Scout Oath and Law;
Train young people in citizenship, service, and leadership;
Serve America's communities and families with its quality, values-based program >>
Key word to veiw here is VALUE-BASED
What set of values?
THe Leadership of the scouts has decided that homosexuality is a LIFE-CHOICE and a sin. therefore it prohibits homosexuals from joining the boy scouts.
For that reason the scouts should not allow gays because it violates their own core values.
THe gay community SHOULD walk away from this but they are a protected class, they feel no one should be able to exclude them from any activity where public money is anywhere near the event.
Case in point -
ABout five Years ago the gay leaders in San Diego took to organizers of the St. Patrick's Day Parade to court because thoose orginizers would not allow them to have a GAY PRIDE float in the parade. The organizers made up mainly of IRISH CATHOLIC MEN felt there were TWO HUGE problems with the float.
1. The catholic church sees homosexuality as a sin
2. the parade is not the place to make a political statement but it's a time to celebrate the heritage that is IRISH CATHOLIC!
Of course the Gays won the court said that the float and accompaning people must be clean and decent and be consistant with the theme of the parade(which of course was impossible being it was the gay pride float), so on St. Patties day who comes walking down the street (this is going to sound crazy BUT IT'S TRUE) Tommy and timmy THE TESTICLE TWINS. Two men dressed as well testicles:Q
Of course this in no way even closely relates to the legand of St. Patrick BUT the gays claimed they were presenting their heritage, WHicj obivouly is balls.
Stream ahead just a few short months,
Time for GAY PRIDE PARADE. (same rules as far as funding and use of public streets)
A local radio show host (roger hedgecock)Applies to the organizers of the parade to have a STRAIGHT PRIDE float in the parade, They presented FULL detail of what the float would have (something the gays didn't do) and STRESSED that it would not be a ANTI-GAY demonstration BUT a we like being straight type of thing. they denied him (Saw that coming a mile away didn't you)
He takes them to court and SITES THE ORIGINAL CASE regarding St. Patty's day and LOSES!:Q SO there was no straight pride float in the Gay Pride Parade.
The Organizer claimed that (this is really good and I'm pretty sure they heard this somewhere else and didn;t think of it on there own)
"this is a time of celibration and not a time to to make a political Statement" (PARAPHARED
)THE FACT IS THE GAY PRIDE PARADE IS A POLITAL STATEMENT!
Now what is INCLUSION?
Private organizations are PROTECTED BY LAW to have what ever rules and regulations they want to have to PEACIBLY ASSEMBLE (I am sure I read that phase somewhere
) THese assemblies take place at numorous locals many of them PUBLIC FACILITIES (schools, parks and the like)while there has been many studies saying that homosexuality is something you are born with there have been just as many that say it is a LIFESTYLE CHOICE. And orginizations are free to choose to exclude thoose that make BAD CHOICES in their opinion.
The scouts require that ALL scout Masters and Scout Condict themselves in accordance with their core values, Meaning a Single male that has say 5 girl friends is unfit to be a scout master. Someone who beats up gays is UNFIT to be a scout or scout master :Q
The scouts have Built many fine men through there program I would like to see any totally PC program that has the results of producing productive members of the commutities as the cub/boy/and eagle scout program.
On a Side note..
Ameesh there is a reson Bush want to fund some FAITH BASED PRORAMS. the fact is they work.
The government programs for chemical dependancy don't even come close to the results of the chirch based alternatives, and It is not required that you go to a faith based program just an OPTION (you know CHOICE). Same with the scouts, look at the results, and ask your selves, do the scouts actively promote the bashing of gays? No the scouts PREACH TOLERANCE, let them do as they like and we will live as we choose. Perhaps if we all did that we could get along allot better.
Sorry for the long post BUT this is an issue that really drives me mad, It is possible for the government to support groups that may exclude some groups based on the choices they make, and there is nothing wrong with that. When the scouts start beating up gays then You can cut use of any public facilities. Until then let them do as they please as a private orginaization.
I know there are Multiple Spelling errors and I really don't care.
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