Exactly so why make it more harder on them?There just going to fail even more.There will be more material covered which means more school work,homework,quizes,tests,etc.
Exactly so why make it more harder on them?There just going to fail even more.There will be more material covered which means more school work,homework,quizes,tests,etc.
This is actually quite true. If you don't have any money, there are tons of student loan programs that will give you money. It's no-risk to the bank because the government has guaranteed that the loans will be paid back, even if it's out of the government's own pocket. The only risk for the student is a horrible credit rating for defaulting on student loans.
If you're poor, there are hundreds of need-based scholarships where the government will basically give you money. In addition to that are the tons of loan programs. You can borrow plenty of money and actually live fairly comfortably while you're at college, including a nice apartment and eating out a few times a week. It's done all the time, and there's nothing stopping anyone from doing it (unless they have too much money).
The only problem is being a person that falls between the cracks. It is possible to make enough money that you no longer qualify for these financial aid programs but that you also don't have enough money for college. It's pretty rare though and can usually be fixed by living a little more responsibly.
No, it really isn't. Stafford loans are guaranteed regardless of credit, income, or any other factor. Sure, the amount is extremely low and would only pay for the cheapest of schools. But work hard enough for two years and you'll be looking at a scholarship to transfer anywhere. Hey, no one ever said it was easy.
Now then, yes, college should be free. We are one of the last nations in the world that still charges for college.
To those who say that taxes would increase, that's just nonsense.
1) The government doesn't care how much money is coming in through taxes. This is known as a deficit.
2) Our military budget is 10x the rest of the world's combined. This is not an exaggeration. If we dropped this to 9x, not only could we give free education to everyone, but we'd probably cut a big chunk out of our deficit spending, which would be great, because we really shouldn't be spending this much more than we make for extended periods.
3) We're already offering tons of money for people to get a college education, it really wouldn't take much more to make it all free
Frankly, I'd rather see science spending go up first. The NSF budget has been cut AGAIN, and the entire science world has subsequently felt the pinch. This is not good. US research is dropping off rapidly, and pretty soon (maybe 20-30 years) we'll have to buy our non-military technology from other nations just as other nations had to buy theirs' from us.
To those who say that taxes would increase, that's just nonsense.
1) The government doesn't care how much money is coming in through taxes. This is known as a deficit.
2) Our military budget is 10x the rest of the world's combined. This is not an exaggeration. If we dropped this to 9x, not only could we give free education to everyone, but we'd probably cut a big chunk out of our deficit spending, which would be great, because we really shouldn't be spending this much more than we make for extended periods.
3) We're already offering tons of money for people to get a college education, it really wouldn't take much more to make it all free
Frankly, I'd rather see science spending go up first. The NSF budget has been cut AGAIN, and the entire science world has subsequently felt the pinch. This is not good. US research is dropping off rapidly, and pretty soon (maybe 20-30 years) we'll have to buy our non-military technology from other nations just as other nations had to buy theirs' from us.
I believe quite a few countries still make you pay tuition for college. I know in Germany there is still tuition (it's lower but they still make you pay).
1) The majority of states can't have deficits. Sure, the Federal government can pick up the bill but that wouldn't be nearly as efficient (more bureaucracy). Also, you're a dumbass if you think deficits don't matter. Bush may have been on a spending spree for the last 8 years but his party will be paying for it.
2) That is an exaggeration. China's military budget is roughly $80 billion. Ours only comes to roughly $500 billion (a lot but still nowhere near 10x as big as even China). The Federal government is not the main source of revenue for colleges. It may be nice to think that we can just take money out of our military budget (I wish) and transfer it but that isn't going to happen. People would bitch too much saying we aren't going to safe, blah, blah, blah...
3) I'm not sure how much money we offer for college but I'm sure it isn't a majority. The loans that the governmant hands out aren't free money, the government gets the money back with interest. I'm not sure how it is at other schools but at UW I believe state taxes amount to roughly 15% of funding.
I do, however, agree that we need to put more funding into science. We can start by giving federal funding for stem cells (they can do it with out killing the embryo now).
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hardly, you have to be a COMPETENT WORKER to differentiate yourself. you have to take the initiative, you have to do the job for yourself. my 4 brothers and sisters had jobs straight out of college because they worked hard and made connections. none have their master's (yet - 1 brother will have his soon).
just because you have a degree doesn't mean you get a job - it means you have the capabilities, and now you need to prove that to your (potential) employer.
Absolutely not. I'm all for spending some tax dollars on education, but college is a stupid waste of money.
If however the government adopted an online education system which wouldn't require books, buildings and teachers would be capable of supporting an indefinite amount of students, I'd consider it. Although at this point considering the greatly reduced cost, they might as well pay themselves.
If however the government adopted an online education system which wouldn't require books, buildings and teachers would be capable of supporting an indefinite amount of students, I'd consider it. Although at this point considering the greatly reduced cost, they might as well pay themselves.
I think it should be free. I have no problem with paying the books, though. Otherwise, I'll have to join the army to be able to pay for my education 
.
.The job problem DEPENDS ON YOUR MAJOR. That being said, if you are a science or engineering major(things like marine biology do not count, not bc they are not science, but bc there are very few jobs for the amount of people graduated) you should not have a tough time getting a job, that is what we need. If you are getting some liberal arts degree, what do most do with it unless you are a writer or do corporate art. How many companies need a masters historian? Those kind of people i find usually teach in college or lower.
Increase taxes to 50-60% and it could be done. Americans in general are too lazy to work for anything though, so meh, you got to work hard to do well.
College should not be free. It should be earned.
I like the programs that fund college educations provided you maintain GPAs. The only problem is that has led to grade inflation as colleges want to keep as many students as they can.
Besides if you make it free what kind of limits are you going to place on it? Do you get more than 4 years? What if you fail a bunch of courses, then what? If the education is free how long before the books, room and board, and such have to be free as well?
Its very easy to give yourself something when your not the one that has to pay for it. Shows your lack of respect for others.
I like the programs that fund college educations provided you maintain GPAs. The only problem is that has led to grade inflation as colleges want to keep as many students as they can.
Besides if you make it free what kind of limits are you going to place on it? Do you get more than 4 years? What if you fail a bunch of courses, then what? If the education is free how long before the books, room and board, and such have to be free as well?
Its very easy to give yourself something when your not the one that has to pay for it. Shows your lack of respect for others.
BTW, paying for school and getting a decent job and working through college can be done, you just have to have your priorities straight.
If you're so talented you should have no problem finding a way to raise enough money to go to college.
Tell ya what, if the high school dropout rate became 0% overnight (thus making every high school-aged student eligible to go to college), then I'll vote 'yes' for free college.
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