Nobody is telling Christians to do anything, let alone ignore "the very guidelines by which they live". Most of the people who advocate keeping religion out of politics are Christians themselves who realize that forcing their beliefs on others is wrong.
Nobody is telling Christians to do anything, let alone ignore "the very guidelines by which they live". Most of the people who advocate keeping religion out of politics are Christians themselves who realize that forcing their beliefs on others is wrong.
So how does religion apply to anything except social issues that shouldn't be in the hands of government to being with?
What does religion have to do with foriegn and fiscal policy?
Does being a Christian mean that you believe in pork for your state? If you really care so much, Mr. Senate/House member, why are you ignoring the plight of the poor in this country? Why are you ignoring the genocide in Darfur? Why do you support an unecessary war?
Again, I will quote, the big guy, Jesus, who started Christianity ohh so long ago,
"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
They are mutually exclusive.
France and Britain? Not exactly something I would like to model our govt after.
Your last comment is mildly amusing.
Just another scipture taken out of context to prove a point. That scripture is about taxes and titheing. You should try reading the entire passage before quoting it.
I find it sad that the "christian" right ignores the very guidlines by which they supposedly live. The problem with a lot of supposed christians is that they are listening to false sheperds, Robertson, Falwell, Perkins, and many more are false sheperds no matter what they label themselves.
Yeah I know the context, and it proves my point exactly. JC was trapped and gave the only answer he could, it's not his place to tell people whether or not to pay taxes, that's the realm of government.
And you didn't answer any of my questions. Cat got your tongue?
Well their governments represent mostly Christian populations, yet government is absent of such rhetoric.
As far as Justice SUnday's go, that stuff is preached there, by some of our esteemed politicians, saying the D's want to persecute them, etc. It's using people's religion as a political tool, I think that's pretty anti-christian, but what do I know, I was raised a catholic. You know the ones who the Baptists consider the whores of babylon.
I don't think it's funny at all, kind of sad.
BTW, I'm still waiting for one of you to step up to the plate and answer this question for me please,
So how does religion apply to anything except social issues that shouldn't be in the hands of government to being with?
So how does religion apply to anything except social issues that shouldn't be in the hands of government to being with?
This is laughable. Human freedom and law comes from God. Our forefathers founded this country on this truth:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
As long as human life is allowed to be extinguished (abortion) and that unborn life is denied its God-given rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, then count on religion to be heavily involved in politics.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
As long as human life is allowed to be extinguished (abortion) and that unborn life is denied its God-given rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, then count on religion to be heavily involved in politics.
Case Study:
This is exactly the sort of religious point which has no place in political discussion. Notice the lack of any political points regarding the causes and effects of abortion, instead replaced entirely with moral opinion.
No offence, by the way. I would've said the same thing no matter what your opinion was, because you argued a religious point, not a political one.
Theocracies are the antithesis of freedom.
Also, you know that Ben Franklin made Thomas J. change the word God to Creator right?
Here's a nice Ben Franklin quote that I think has some gravitas in the current climate,
"When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and, when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig'd to call for the help of the Civil Power, ?tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.?
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Evangelical: Religious Right Has Distorted the Faith
Interesting book on how the envangelical movement got mixed up in politics:
Interesting book on how the envangelical movement got mixed up in politics:
Such thoughts were also the product of the Enlightenment, which was the casting off of the religious shackles that kept Europe stagnant for 1000 years. Otherwise the western world would still operate like the Middle East.
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No it isn't.
Which Creator? Yours, the Hindus, the Mugube Pygmies of Mozambique? I can't understand how you can believe that we should have to follow the beliefs of ancient Sheepherders in the Middle East
Unless it's the lives of brown people in the Middle East
I think if anything if the left keeps up with the godlessness and trying to push god out of society it will only mean more rebulican power.
Sweet.
There is a big push within the democratic party to start reaching out to chirsitians and other people of faith. They will have to in order to have any ounce of success. They just can't keep ticking the majority of people off they way they are doing with their godlessness.
Sweet.
There is a big push within the democratic party to start reaching out to chirsitians and other people of faith. They will have to in order to have any ounce of success. They just can't keep ticking the majority of people off they way they are doing with their godlessness.
I would trust a conservative Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist to make fair and moral decisions much more than I would a liberal secularist/atheist.
Are we discussing USA politics or politics in general? Because Middle Eastern people do not have the same rights as US citizens within the territory of the United States. If we are discussing politics in general, then there are a fantastic number of secular liberal socialist countries where your dreams of an amoral goverment have already come true.
You are full of conspiracies and stereotypes.. where do you live? I'd bet you anything that your location would be veeeery telling.
"Human freedom and law comes from God."- Umm, no... freedom comes from the constituation and bill of rights guaranteeing freedom.. and despite it, there was still slavery for hundreds of years and women were not allowed to vote for 100s of years... why wasn't god pushing for freedom and the law then? Guess who was fighting for those rights... hint- not the south and not republicans.
Nobody suggested removing religious people, we require the removal of religion itself. Many of the founders were very religious, but there was precious little religious inclusion within the government. That is the model we want to emulate.
I agree with what you say about the falsely religious, but not that you must throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Please tell me you put some thought into that statement.
So you are saying that Civil War was about slavery and the South was fighting to keep slavery? Ummm no, you are wrong. Your statement there is very wrong, the South(not sure why you added republicans but thats your personal opinion) were fighting for their own freedom. It wasnt about slavery at all like so many think it is.
Back onto Topic;
As much as we would like to seperate the two and many have tried to as well, religion will always play a part into politics. Whether we like it or not. Rember our country was founded on religion. Everyone bases their decisions in life on what we each belive is to be right and true or just. To many religion helps define the right and true, where others seek other ways to find what they feel is right and true or just.
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