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BD2003

Lifer
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Originally posted by: preslove
Please stfu, you freaking idiot. You have provided no proof for your obstinant, antiquated beliefs. Publishers and copy editors are the ones who make these standards, and their standard is ONE SPACE. The reason why most people say 2 spaces is because their middle or high school teacher told them to. These people don't make the standards. You are the uneducated moron, not the rest of us. You're just too stupid to realize this fact.

I was taught in a very good school (referencing you're pretentious statement about good schools teaching 2 spaces) that an intelligent person must take different sources and compare their validity, choose the more credible sources, then reference those sources in the body of their writing. You have done none of these because you are stupid.

Did they teach you to be an elitist snob prick in your "very good school?"

The english language, like any language, is always in flux. The "rules" are not handed down by god himself, and linguistics is far from a basic science like physics or mathematics.

Being that language is primarily a consensus, the publishers and copy editors can make all the rules they want, but those rules primarly apply to their industry. As long as a large amount of people use it in practice, it's as valid as anything else. It's far from a scientific poll, but period space space is in the majority here, and no matter how many times you reference "authority" on the matter, people will continue to post that period space space is proper...and that is absolutely fine, because that is the nature of language.

So you can blather all you want about how you're right because you referenced a copy editor's manual, that everyone that agrees with you is intelligent, and how everyone else who doesn't is an idiot, the end result is that no one cares, and you come off as an asshole.
 

DougK62

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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DougK62
You guys can argue until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that one space after a period is correct when using modern fonts. Sorry, you lose.

wrong as hell.

the reason why it's proper to use two spaces after a period is because it's easier to tell where the next sentence starts. that's the way it's been for a LONG time. that's how it still is. the only difference is that, now, it's become acceptable to use a single space rather than two. it's kinda like using commas between a series of things. it's proper to use commas between the series of items and before the "and"... now, it's become acceptable to leave out the comma before the "and" (for example: proper - "sarah, doug, and james went to the store"... improper, yet acceptable - "sarah, doug and james went to the store."). the reason it's improper is because it's harder to tell whether you're talking to sarah and telling her that doug and james went to the store or if sarah went to the store with doug and james.

Hahahahah. n00b. You still believe this even after all seeing all of the links in this thread that show YOU being "wrong as hell"?

 

Chaotic42

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I've never heard of using two spaces and I was tought to type by people born during the Great Depression. I've always only used one space and I've never gotten any complaints from anyone.
 

eits

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Originally posted by: dafatha00
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DougK62
You guys can argue until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that one space after a period is correct when using modern fonts. Sorry, you lose.

wrong as hell.

the reason why it's proper to use two spaces after a period is because it's easier to tell where the next sentence starts. that's the way it's been for a LONG time. that's how it still is. the only difference is that, now, it's become acceptable to use a single space rather than two. it's kinda like using commas between a series of things. it's proper to use commas between the series of items and before the "and"... now, it's become acceptable to leave out the comma before the "and" (for example: proper - "sarah, doug, and james went to the store"... improper, yet acceptable - "sarah, doug and james went to the store."). the reason it's improper is because it's harder to tell whether you're talking to sarah and telling her that doug and james went to the store or if sarah went to the store with doug and james.

Wow.

For someone that seems to be so wound up about punctuation and the double spacing (which Anandtech doesn't display anyway), you sure seem to neglect just about every other rule of grammar. Didn't anyone ever teach you about capitalization?

You have poor grammar and you shouldn't be participating in this discussion.

QFT

another idiot who doesn't know what grammar means? and here i thought it was only 91ttz who didn't know the definition of grammar...
 

CptObvious

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I was taught to use period space space. I still think it's easier to read than period space. The only time I think period space is better is when the text is justified into columns.
 

preslove

Lifer
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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: dafatha00
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DougK62
You guys can argue until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that one space after a period is correct when using modern fonts. Sorry, you lose.

wrong as hell.

the reason why it's proper to use two spaces after a period is because it's easier to tell where the next sentence starts. that's the way it's been for a LONG time. that's how it still is. the only difference is that, now, it's become acceptable to use a single space rather than two. it's kinda like using commas between a series of things. it's proper to use commas between the series of items and before the "and"... now, it's become acceptable to leave out the comma before the "and" (for example: proper - "sarah, doug, and james went to the store"... improper, yet acceptable - "sarah, doug and james went to the store."). the reason it's improper is because it's harder to tell whether you're talking to sarah and telling her that doug and james went to the store or if sarah went to the store with doug and james.

Wow.

For someone that seems to be so wound up about punctuation and the double spacing (which Anandtech doesn't display anyway), you sure seem to neglect just about every other rule of grammar. Didn't anyone ever teach you about capitalization?

You have poor grammar and you shouldn't be participating in this discussion.

QFT

another idiot who doesn't know what grammar means? and here i thought it was only 91ttz who didn't know the definition of grammar...

You're the idiot coward who won't respond to my post:

Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DougK62
You guys can argue until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that one space after a period is correct when using modern fonts. Sorry, you lose.

wrong as hell.

the reason why it's proper to use two spaces after a period is because it's easier to tell where the next sentence starts. that's the way it's been for a LONG time. that's how it still is. the only difference is that, now, it's become acceptable to use a single space rather than two. it's kinda like using commas between a series of things. it's proper to use commas between the series of items and before the "and"... now, it's become acceptable to leave out the comma before the "and" (for example: proper - "sarah, doug, and james went to the store"... improper, yet acceptable - "sarah, doug and james went to the store."). the reason it's improper is because it's harder to tell whether you're talking to sarah and telling her that doug and james went to the store or if sarah went to the store with doug and james.

Wow.

For someone that seems to be so wound up about punctuation and the double spacing (which Anandtech doesn't display anyway), you sure seem to neglect just about every other rule of grammar. Didn't anyone ever teach you about capitalization?

You have poor grammar and you shouldn't be participating in this discussion.

i don't capitalize anything other than the G in God's name. unless i'm writing a formal letter, i don't use capital letters.

seeing how i have very good grammar, i'm going to have to assume that your definition of grammar somehow lumps in with capitalization.

God, you're an idiot.

convincing and intelligent argument, but i think i'll disagree.

Again, the FACTS are against you. A simple google search (see link below) proves you wrong.

Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: sash1
i learned two spaces way back in the day. i don't know anyone who uses two spaces anymore. i just think it looks bad, and i've gotten so used to just using one space.

i can't believe the poll, do that many people actually double space after a period still? because no one is doing it in this thread.

apparently, you don't know most of the properly educated people, then.

Please stfu, you freaking idiot. You have provided no proof for your obstinant, antiquated beliefs. Publishers and copy editors are the ones who make these standards, and their standard is ONE SPACE. The reason why most people say 2 spaces is because their middle or high school teacher told them to. These people don't make the standards. You are the uneducated moron, not the rest of us. You're just too stupid to realize this fact.

I was taught in a very good school (referencing you're pretentious statement about good schools teaching 2 spaces) that an intelligent person must take different sources and compare their validity, choose the more credible sources, then reference those sources in the body of their writing. You have done none of these because you are stupid.


The following posters are intelligent:




Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: TheNinja
period space space - if your'e an uneducated idiot.

One Space or Two?

Q. Please help. I have confusion regarding the correct spacing after periods and other closing punctuation. My company uses the font Arial and consistently uses a flush-left margin. We are an engineering company. My job consists in preparing documents and letters for customers. Everything I read in manuals and from technical writers directs me to use one space after periods. I find that it works very well, except occasionally, when an extra space helps readability. Knowledgeable engineers have embraced the one space use as being consistent with the font design and automation of reports. Others are unpleased with the one space, they think they have difficulty reading. (I, too, had an adjustment period which I forced myself to endure until it became automatic to read easily.) We are preparing technical information. What do you think? Thanks for your wonderful support and especially the quick answers. I greatly appreciate your service.

A. The view at CMOS is that there is no reason for two spaces after a period in published work. Some people, however?my colleagues included?prefer it, relegating this preference to their personal correspondence and notes. I?ve noticed in old American books printed in the few decades before and after the turn of the last century (ca. 1870?1930 at least) that there seemed to be a trend in publishing to use extra space (sometimes quite a bit of it) after periods. And many people were taught to use that extra space in typing class (I was). But introducing two spaces after the period causes problems: (1) it is inefficient, requiring an extra keystroke for every sentence; (2) even if a program is set to automatically put an extra space after a period, such automation is never foolproof; (3) there is no proof that an extra space actually improves readability?as your comment suggests, it?s probably just a matter of familiarity (Who knows? perhaps it?s actually more efficient to read with less regard for sentences as individual units of thought?many centuries ago, for example in ancient Greece, there were no spaces even between words, and no punctuation); (4) two spaces are harder to control for than one in electronic documents (I find that the earmark of a document that imposes a two-space rule is a smattering of instances of both three spaces and one space after a period, and two spaces in the middle of sentences); and (5) two spaces can cause problems with line breaks in certain programs.

So, in our efficient, modern world, I think there is no room for two spaces after a period. In the opinion of this particular copyeditor, this is a good thing.

The Chicago Manual of Style, Fifteenth Edition




Originally posted by: thomsbrain
oh for christ sake.

pick up a book. one space.
pick up a newspaper. one space.
pick up your bank statement. one space.
pick up a research article printed in an academic journal. one space.
HTML doesn't even recognize two spaces.

and no, the word processor does not "correct" it to two spaces. there would be no way for the processor to tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of a sentance. what it does correct for is missed capital letters, but that doesn't affect the spacing.

that two space crap is a hold-over from the type-writer days and any school still teaching it needs to take their heads out of their buttholes and smell the silicon.

but i guess if a few ATOT mouth-breathers can't read english without arbitrary aids (do you guys need "big text," too?), then the world's professional writing community must be wrong.

I love how absolutely none of the pro-double space crowd has provided a single link for justification. As another poster pointed out, A simple google search tells you that 1 space is the standard. The MLA, APA, and CMS, the three major standards for scholarly writing, ALL say that 1 space is correct.

Again, most people use 2 spaces because their public school typing teacher told them to use 2 spaces. I had typing in middle and high school. Both teachers told me to use 2 spaces, and both of them were idiots who had the most brain dead jobs on campus.

 

BD2003

Lifer
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For someone who's getting all up in arms about spaces after a period, would it kill you to condense your quotes?
 

dafatha00

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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: dafatha00
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DougK62
You guys can argue until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that one space after a period is correct when using modern fonts. Sorry, you lose.

wrong as hell.

the reason why it's proper to use two spaces after a period is because it's easier to tell where the next sentence starts. that's the way it's been for a LONG time. that's how it still is. the only difference is that, now, it's become acceptable to use a single space rather than two. it's kinda like using commas between a series of things. it's proper to use commas between the series of items and before the "and"... now, it's become acceptable to leave out the comma before the "and" (for example: proper - "sarah, doug, and james went to the store"... improper, yet acceptable - "sarah, doug and james went to the store."). the reason it's improper is because it's harder to tell whether you're talking to sarah and telling her that doug and james went to the store or if sarah went to the store with doug and james.

Wow.

For someone that seems to be so wound up about punctuation and the double spacing (which Anandtech doesn't display anyway), you sure seem to neglect just about every other rule of grammar. Didn't anyone ever teach you about capitalization?

You have poor grammar and you shouldn't be participating in this discussion.

QFT

another idiot who doesn't know what grammar means? and here i thought it was only 91ttz who didn't know the definition of grammar...

You're a goddamn retard. Yes, capitalization has nothing to do with grammar, but it's still necessary in writing correctly. You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. You spout nonsense about how it's incorrect to only use one space after a period, yet you plainly neglect the rules of capitalization.

You've been owned thorougly in this thread. Also, I've yet to see you address preslove's post which clearly contradicts your antiquated views.
 

palindrome

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Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
When you end a sentence, do you period space or period space space. It is natural to period space space but I see people at work and all over with just one space after a period and it drives me nuts for some reason.

woops

who the fvck cares?
 

fitzov

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Yeah but what about comma versus semicolon--that will be REALLY interesting.
 

WildHorse

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when you're writing anything for publication, you're not free to decide.

You have to follow the publisher's STYLE GUIDE which will specify exactly how many spaces after a period, and most every other tiny layout detail too.

If you don't follow the style guide then your work gets kicked to the curb in a New York microsecond.

Any magazine, book publisher, university, trade journal, whatever, requires that you follow the style guide they use.
 

dighn

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I have not even *heard* of putting two spaces between period and the next sentence. Did I just wake up in a parallel universe!? :confused: and yes I took keyboarding in highschool
 

WildHorse

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usually I like to put Vasekela Bushman tongue-clicks after mine

you write them like this:
!!!
 

MrK6

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Two spaces is the proper way of writing English, regardless of the medium. The one-space has arisen due to the computer age and things speeding up/people getting lazier. It's the same as people saying "ur" for "your" and "r" for "are" and all other modifications to proper English. If you're typing quickly or casually, I guess do with what you want. However, professional material should always adhere to standards.
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: MrK6
Two spaces is the proper way of writing English, regardless of the medium. The one-space has arisen due to the computer age and things speeding up/people getting lazier. It's the same as people saying "ur" for "your" and "r" for "are" and all other modifications to proper English. If you're typing quickly or casually, I guess do with what you want. However, professional material should always adhere to standards.

Read the thread to see what the professional standards actually are :p
 

iamaelephant

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Originally posted by: MrK6
Two spaces is the proper way of writing English, regardless of the medium. The one-space has arisen due to the computer age and things speeding up/people getting lazier. It's the same as people saying "ur" for "your" and "r" for "are" and all other modifications to proper English. If you're typing quickly or casually, I guess do with what you want. However, professional material should always adhere to standards.

Spot the guy who stumbled onto the "reply" box without reading the thread.
 

MrK6

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I did read. Those are just modifications to the rules, the rules still stand, as I said in my original post. Call me old-fashioned :)
 

Locut0s

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Who the F*@! puts a double space at the end of a sentence. Is this an American thing? Can't remember every seeing that but then again I never took formal typing lessons?
 

Scooby Doo

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Isn't there a end-of-sentence space? I thought I remember seeing something like it in Quark. It's like 1.25 space.