Poll: Opposition to Gay Marriage Declining

[Ronstang]

If acceptance is really as you say them put it on a ballot for the public to vote on and see what happens. I doubt the results will look like the poll. The liberals here in Texas were extremely confident that their gay marriage would pass here last November. They lost soundly with a 77% majority voting against gay marriage. I realize that Texas is conservative but if it shows up on a ballot in a liberal state I wouldn't consider gay marriage a shoe in.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If acceptance is really as you say them put it on a ballot for the public to vote on and see what happens. I doubt the results will look like the poll. The liberals here in Texas were extremely confident that their gay marriage would pass here last November. They lost soundly with a 77% majority voting against gay marriage. I realize that Texas is conservative but if it shows up on a ballot in a liberal state I wouldn't consider gay marriage a shoe in.

Acceptance isn't relevent to something that is best framed as a rights issue. If I lived in the US I would not being overly 'accepting' of your right to own firearms and store them in your home, but that would be totally irrelevent to the fact that you would be allowed to do so.

This is a considerably more basic right than the right to be armed; acceptance is more like a point of interest than anything else.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Humans are naturally good and not evil so evil must constantly be maintained and reinforced. This is hard work and goes against the natural grain.

And who is motivated to do so, given that everyone is naturally good? This is a big gap in your theory. Not that it is a theory but rather a jumble of nonsense with the political word "bigot" attempting to give it force.

Hehe, Sorry, but the gap is in your understanding.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If acceptance is really as you say them put it on a ballot for the public to vote on and see what happens. I doubt the results will look like the poll. The liberals here in Texas were extremely confident that their gay marriage would pass here last November. They lost soundly with a 77% majority voting against gay marriage. I realize that Texas is conservative but if it shows up on a ballot in a liberal state I wouldn't consider gay marriage a shoe in.

Well either Texas liberals are pretty stupid, or your mind reading crystal ball isn't working. I'm betting on the latter, because I doubt anyone would think a state like Texas would be the first to have the voters approve gay marriage. I've never lived there, and I know how stupid that sounds. I would imagine liberals in Austin would have a much better idea of the general culture of the state than I would.

 

[Rainsford]

As to the poll, I'm no surprised. When it suddenly became a big (fake) issue in 2004, people got freaked out. Gay rights advocates didn't help by doing things like marrying gay people on the steps of city hall in San Francisco. Cultural change takes time, if you throw things at people too fast, they freak out and revert to a conservative mindset. Now that the issue has been introduced, the best thing us pro-gay rights folks can do is let it simmer. Don't start throwing around ballot initiatives, let the right overplay their hand with those. Just start with small issues, like making sexual preference a legally protected choice when it comes to employment. That sort of thing. And just let the rest of it sit. Eventually, and not before too long, most people will realize that gay relationships aren't a threat to their family of the country, and the knee-jerk ballot initiatives from 2004 will be undone. If the grassroots homophobes try to recreate their success in 2004, I predict they will have less and less success. The issue is on the table, and social progress only goes in one direction. You just have to be careful not to cram too much at people too fast.

 

[CSMR]

Do you think in terms of this condescending rhetoric yourself or is it just for our benefit?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CSMR
Do you think in terms of this condescending rhetoric yourself or is it just for our benefit?

You need to indicate ro whom you refer here, not that your point makes much sence applied anywhere.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

As for bullies, it's "compelling" to me... so again, just my opinion, deal with it.

If you're that concerned about Bullies you should promote legilsation to outlaw naming a kid Richard.

/I acutally had a teacher in High School named Dick Stucky
//He must have gone through hell as a kid

 

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see my next post below

 

[sothsegger]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

ya.. hey listen, it's a tough call... im really not quite sure where i stand on the adoption issue. i know that part of it is a knee-jerk reaction based on some concern for the child's welfare down the line (school bullies, guarenteed homo/bisexuality?, etc)...

beyond that, i'm also not quite sure whether or not homosexuality is nature or nurture... so if it IS nurture rather than nature, what will that mean for the children they adopt?

The rational part of my brain, the part that tells me that homosexuality is perfectly acceptable, wants to say that the children will be fine, but that doesnt mean that i still dont have my doubts...

hence my statement that i have a "problem" with gay adoption. i just dont know what impact it has on children. This is not a punishment of some sort for the behavior or beliefs of the parents, but rather some innate concern I feel for the future of any child adopted by them.

so what should i do given those questions and concerns?

Your position here assumes that homosexuality/bisexuality is acquired from upbringing. A growing body of evidence indicates otherwise. In fact there are twins where one is gay and the other straight. It may not matter who the parents are.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Legend
I think it's more likely that religious right are dormant right now.

Wait until elections for them to get stirred up.

Sadly this is true.

They have been spending millions and millions producing Brainwashing Ads to throw at the American Sheeple at Election time and even more sad is that they will work once again.
🙁

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: santer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: palehorse74

ya.. hey listen, it's a tough call... im really not quite sure where i stand on the adoption issue. i know that part of it is a knee-jerk reaction based on some concern for the child's welfare down the line (school bullies, guarenteed homo/bisexuality?, etc)...

beyond that, i'm also not quite sure whether or not homosexuality is nature or nurture... so if it IS nurture rather than nature, what will that mean for the children they adopt?

The rational part of my brain, the part that tells me that homosexuality is perfectly acceptable, wants to say that the children will be fine, but that doesnt mean that i still dont have my doubts...

hence my statement that i have a "problem" with gay adoption. i just dont know what impact it has on children. This is not a punishment of some sort for the behavior or beliefs of the parents, but rather some innate concern I feel for the future of any child adopted by them.

so what should i do given those questions and concerns?

Your position here assumes that homosexuality/bisexuality is acquired from upbringing. A growing body of evidence indicates otherwise. In fact there are twins where one is gay and the other straight. It may not matter who the parents are.

Heh... I know a set of identical twins like that. One has a hot wife and a couple of kids and the other is as gay as the day is long.

 

[CessnaFlyer]

This country is screwed!