What the hell are you talking about. No one said that the current top picks had anything to do with the ROY award. My first post said "Another interesting question would be..." as in an unrelated topic.
What the hell are you talking about. No one said that the current top picks had anything to do with the ROY award. My first post said "Another interesting question would be..." as in an unrelated topic.
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Originally posted by: dafatha00
Yeah ok. Yao Ming has done nothing this year.And for the most part, it was really the outstanding play of Marbury in the last 10 games in April that helped the Suns reach the playoffs. Rockets didn't make it because their entire team collapsed under pressure. The only player that played decently in the last 10 games for Houston was James Posey.
Anyways, I don't care if Yao doesn't get it anymore. The big question now is: Would the Suns trade Amare for Yao? That right there is a no brainer. Wait till Houston wins a few championships.
you're talking about completely different things in ROY and future franchise player. ROY is for the best performing rookie, but who is going to be the best player in the future
Originally posted by: masterxfob
Originally posted by: dafatha00
Yeah ok. Yao Ming has done nothing this year.And for the most part, it was really the outstanding play of Marbury in the last 10 games in April that helped the Suns reach the playoffs. Rockets didn't make it because their entire team collapsed under pressure. The only player that played decently in the last 10 games for Houston was James Posey.
Anyways, I don't care if Yao doesn't get it anymore. The big question now is: Would the Suns trade Amare for Yao? That right there is a no brainer. Wait till Houston wins a few championships.
you're talking about completely different things in ROY and future franchise player. ROY is for the best performing rookie, but who is going to be the best player in the future
Yes I am talking about completely different things between ROY and future success. What's your point?
masterxfob
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if it's another interesting question having nothing to do with your original question, post it in another thread. by posting that in the same thread, you're giving your biased opinion and swaying other peoples votes.
that said, get your facts straight on ROY. who knows, Caron Butler might end up being the best out of that bunch but he sure as hell wasn't ROY.
Yao was getting almost no minutes during the first 10 games of the year. That skews his stats a little bit.
Yao should be ROY. The numbers are similar but Yao has been much more consistent than Amare this year. He was good for a double-double almost every game. Amare would go through stretches where he almost completely disappeared and then have a couple of big games.
Yao should be ROY. The numbers are similar but Yao has been much more consistent than Amare this year. He was good for a double-double almost every game. Amare would go through stretches where he almost completely disappeared and then have a couple of big games.
The two questions are related in that we're discussing NBA rookies here. I can post whatever the hell I want in my thread. If you don't like it, tough sh!t.
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the question is just like comparing apples to oranges, if you know your basketball that is......
if you're just one of those asians jumping on to the bandwagon, then that would be different.
i'm not telling you what to do, i was merely suggesting that your two questions were possibly conflicting with the unbiased results you were trying to get. if you wanna be a bitch about it, then by all means, be a stupid asian bandwagon jumping bitch that you are.
i'm korean and i'm not racist, i just tire of you lamers
masterxfob
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How old are you? 5? "So I'm a stupid asian bandwagon jumping bitch" huh? Sure I'm Chinese and sure I'm happy for Yao Ming but I've been following basketball for 10 years so I am not one of those Yao only fans. And just because you're Korean doesn't mean you can't be racist. Your are fvcking immature though.
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this quoting thing is getting out of hand, let's start over:
if i were 5, wouldn't you look quite stupid for arguing with me? so yeah, go ahead and say i'm 5 so that you look like the big mature adult
wow, so you've been following basketball for 10 years huh? you live in CA? i think it's highly unlikely that you were ever a Rockets fan before YAO was even drafted. if you became a Rockets fan after they acquired YAO, then yes, you are a stupid asian bandwagon jumping bitch.
if you think i'm racist, then good for you. if you want, i'll even take a picture of myself with a white hood over my head. would that make you happy?
and remember, you are arguing with a 5 year old, so try to be the big grown up adult :beer:
if i were 5, wouldn't you look quite stupid for arguing with me? so yeah, go ahead and say i'm 5 so that you look like the big mature adult
wow, so you've been following basketball for 10 years huh? you live in CA? i think it's highly unlikely that you were ever a Rockets fan before YAO was even drafted. if you became a Rockets fan after they acquired YAO, then yes, you are a stupid asian bandwagon jumping bitch.
if you think i'm racist, then good for you. if you want, i'll even take a picture of myself with a white hood over my head. would that make you happy?
and remember, you are arguing with a 5 year old, so try to be the big grown up adult :beer:
Yao had his ups and downs this year too. He wasn't more consistant then Amare. Yao had 27 double doubles and Amare had 25. Amare came straight out of high school so he has no professional experience and he made more impact on his team then Yao made on his. Yao will be better then Amare in the end but this year he got way to tenative and fell back on his jump shot a lot, while Amare kept aggresive. Amare also did all the little things like going for loose balls and all the other hustle plays. Amare deserves it more then Yao. A lot of Yao Ming is the media hype, so people think he had a better year then he really did. People labeled him as ROY before the season started, and it just kind of stuck.
Originally posted by: masterxfob
this quoting thing is getting out of hand, let's start over:
if i were 5, wouldn't you look quite stupid for arguing with me? so yeah, go ahead and say i'm 5 so that you look like the big mature adult
wow, so you've been following basketball for 10 years huh? you live in CA? i think it's highly unlikely that you were ever a Rockets fan before YAO was even drafted. if you became a Rockets fan after they acquired YAO, then yes, you are a stupid asian bandwagon jumping bitch.
if you think i'm racist, then good for you. if you want, i'll even take a picture of myself with a white hood over my head. would that make you happy?
and remember, you are arguing with a 5 year old, so try to be the big grown up adult :beer:
You're pretty daft since you take everything so literally. Obviously when I asked if you were 5 years old, I was inferring that you acted 5, not that you were the actual age.
But sure, I guess I am the big grown up adult because you do act 5.
masterxfob
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Originally posted by: dafatha00
Originally posted by: masterxfob
this quoting thing is getting out of hand, let's start over:
if i were 5, wouldn't you look quite stupid for arguing with me? so yeah, go ahead and say i'm 5 so that you look like the big mature adult
wow, so you've been following basketball for 10 years huh? you live in CA? i think it's highly unlikely that you were ever a Rockets fan before YAO was even drafted. if you became a Rockets fan after they acquired YAO, then yes, you are a stupid asian bandwagon jumping bitch.
if you think i'm racist, then good for you. if you want, i'll even take a picture of myself with a white hood over my head. would that make you happy?
and remember, you are arguing with a 5 year old, so try to be the big grown up adult :beer:
You're pretty daft since you take everything so literally. Obviously when I asked if you were 5 years old, I was inferring that you acted 5, not that you were the actual age.In any case, the Lakers are actually my favorite team given that I do live in California even though I was born in Houston and was a fan of the Rockets between 91-96. The fact Yao Ming got drafted just rekindled my old desire for them to become contenders again. If it makes you feel better, go ahead and call me a "stupid asian bandwagon jumping bitch". I guess you're just a "stupid asian bitch"
But sure, I guess I am the big grown up adult because you do act 5.
sorry, i don't get it, i really am five years old :Q go fume in the corner of your room by yourself, cuz my mommy says it's past my bedtime .
Originally posted by: masterxfob
Originally posted by: dafatha00
Originally posted by: masterxfob
this quoting thing is getting out of hand, let's start over:
if i were 5, wouldn't you look quite stupid for arguing with me? so yeah, go ahead and say i'm 5 so that you look like the big mature adult
wow, so you've been following basketball for 10 years huh? you live in CA? i think it's highly unlikely that you were ever a Rockets fan before YAO was even drafted. if you became a Rockets fan after they acquired YAO, then yes, you are a stupid asian bandwagon jumping bitch.
if you think i'm racist, then good for you. if you want, i'll even take a picture of myself with a white hood over my head. would that make you happy?
and remember, you are arguing with a 5 year old, so try to be the big grown up adult :beer:
You're pretty daft since you take everything so literally. Obviously when I asked if you were 5 years old, I was inferring that you acted 5, not that you were the actual age.In any case, the Lakers are actually my favorite team given that I do live in California even though I was born in Houston and was a fan of the Rockets between 91-96. The fact Yao Ming got drafted just rekindled my old desire for them to become contenders again. If it makes you feel better, go ahead and call me a "stupid asian bandwagon jumping bitch". I guess you're just a "stupid asian bitch"
But sure, I guess I am the big grown up adult because you do act 5.
sorry, i don't get it, i really am five years old :Q go fume in the corner of your room by yourself, cuz my mommy says it's past my bedtime .
Awww, I guess you better go to sleep then.
I do'nt think the league cares abuot the other PF's in the league. They care about the ROOKIE PF's, that's why it's called the Rookie of the YEAR award. And Stoudemire had a better season. his team is in the playoffs. Yao's isn't. GOOO stoudemire!!!
How can one say that Stoudamire had a better season?
Simply because his team is in the playoffs? That doesn't mean anything.
If Amare had to play with ball hogs like Cuttino Mobley and others his team wouldn't be in the playoffs either.
Yao beat Amare in almost all statistical categories. Phoenix made the playoffs over the Rockets because the Rocket's selfish play and isolation offense doomed them, not because Amare somehow carried the Suns.
Yao is the ROY.
Simply because his team is in the playoffs? That doesn't mean anything.
If Amare had to play with ball hogs like Cuttino Mobley and others his team wouldn't be in the playoffs either.
Yao beat Amare in almost all statistical categories. Phoenix made the playoffs over the Rockets because the Rocket's selfish play and isolation offense doomed them, not because Amare somehow carried the Suns.
Yao is the ROY.
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No, he didn't. Did you look at the numbers I posted earlier in the thread?
Yao:
GP: 82, 72 started
Minutes: 2382
Points: 1104
Rebounds: 675 (196, off, 479 def)
Assists: 137
Steals: 31
Blocks: 147
FG: 49.8% (401 of 805)
FT: 81.1% (307 of 371)
Amare:
GP: 82, 71 started
Minutes: 2570
Points: 1106
Rebounds: 721 (250 off, 471 def)
Assists: 78
Steals: 62
Blocks: 87
FG: 47.2% (392 of 830)
FT: 66.1& (320 of 484)[/quote]
And, just to back it up further, somebody said that Yao stepped it up when the playoffs were on the line, and Amare didn't. Sorry, that's wrong. I know those of you who are making comments like that probably didn't even watch any Suns games, but to say something as though it's concrete fact when you haven't got a clue, is silly. In the month of April, when the Suns were challenging the Rockets for the 8th seed, Amare averaged 14.1ppg, 7.0 rebounds, 1.7 blocks, and 1.6 steals, while shooting over 50% from the field. With the exception of rebounds, those all topped his averages for the season. The fact that Shawn Marion averaged over 12 rebounds a game during the same time span probably had a lot to do with Amare getting fewer boards.
Yao, on the other hand, slumped mightily, shooting 39.7% from the field, averaging 11.8 pounts, 8.6 boards, and 1.6 blocks during April - excepting rebounds, all lower than his season averages. He was a Casper in the two Houston losses that knocked them firmly out of the playoff hunt, going 2-13 for 6 points in a loss to Portland, and 3-9 for 6 the following night in a loss to Utah.
Don't get me wrong, Yao is a great player. But Amare is the rookie of the year - and rightly so.
It's looking like Amare's gonna get it.
I like what Yao did...honestly I thought he would be a bust going into NBA which is much more physical than international play. And he responded.
But Amare is just fearless...the refs whistle him constantly, and once Gugliotta got injured, he could never take the 4 back.
I like what Yao did...honestly I thought he would be a bust going into NBA which is much more physical than international play. And he responded.
But Amare is just fearless...the refs whistle him constantly, and once Gugliotta got injured, he could never take the 4 back.
XMan
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And, just to back it up further, somebody said that Yao stepped it up when the playoffs were on the line, and Amare didn't. Sorry, that's wrong. I know those of you who are making comments like that probably didn't even watch any Suns games, but to say something as though it's concrete fact when you haven't got a clue, is silly. In the month of April, when the Suns were challenging the Rockets for the 8th seed, Amare averaged 14.1ppg, 7.0 rebounds, 1.7 blocks, and 1.6 steals, while shooting over 50% from the field. With the exception of rebounds, those all topped his averages for the season. The fact that Shawn Marion averaged over 12 rebounds a game during the same time span probably had a lot to do with Amare getting fewer boards.
Yao, on the other hand, slumped mightily, shooting 39.7% from the field, averaging 11.8 pounts, 8.6 boards, and 1.6 blocks during April - excepting rebounds, all lower than his season averages. He was a Casper in the two Houston losses that knocked them firmly out of the playoff hunt, going 2-13 for 6 points in a loss to Portland, and 3-9 for 6 the following night in a loss to Utah.
Don't get me wrong, Yao is a great player. But Amare is the rookie of the year - and rightly so.[/quote]
Out of all the stats you mentioned the only meaningful ones that Amare beat Yao in were Steals and Offensive Rebounds. Yao comes out ahead in all the other meaningful stats. And his margin in many categories is far wider. His game is just much more complete. I can't really understand all these Amare fans. Just because Yao was hyped before the season doesn't mean he didn't deserve it. He actually lived up to the hype.
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man..it's a tough choice btwn yao and amare......suns went to the playoffs..and yao made a huge huge impact to the NBA (fan increase, international representative, etc) and has the stats to back it up...
I think Yao will be a star quality player...and so will amare...both will be among the elite in their positions.....like top 5 players in their positions in five years....
I think Yao will be a star quality player...and so will amare...both will be among the elite in their positions.....like top 5 players in their positions in five years....
Well, Amare Stoudamire will be presented the Rookie of the Year award later on today. It's a shame because Yao was more consistent this year than Amare. I firmly believe the award is only going to Amare because the Suns made the playoffs and not the Rockets.
Keep in mind that the Rockets finished only 1 game behind, and that we would have made the playoffs if not for Cuttino's ball hogging, the selfish isolation offenses we ran, and naming Larry Smith as the interim coach when Rudy T got sick. That's what really sunk us. When Rudy got sick we were firmly in the driver's seat of the playoff race. Larry Smith is a terrible coach and he blew any chances we had at the playoffs. His substitution patterns were really weird. He would sit both Yao and Steve at the same time and let the other team go on long scoring runs without making any changes.
I still think Yao deserved the award more, but ask yourself this question:
Would the Suns trade Amare for Yao if given the chance? They almost certainly would.
Would the Rockets trade Yao for Amare if given the chance? Absolutely not.
Yao is going to be the kind of stud center that wins championships, and while Amare is very talented and almost surely will be a 20/10 guy for years to come, good PF's are very common.
Keep in mind that the Rockets finished only 1 game behind, and that we would have made the playoffs if not for Cuttino's ball hogging, the selfish isolation offenses we ran, and naming Larry Smith as the interim coach when Rudy T got sick. That's what really sunk us. When Rudy got sick we were firmly in the driver's seat of the playoff race. Larry Smith is a terrible coach and he blew any chances we had at the playoffs. His substitution patterns were really weird. He would sit both Yao and Steve at the same time and let the other team go on long scoring runs without making any changes.
I still think Yao deserved the award more, but ask yourself this question:
Would the Suns trade Amare for Yao if given the chance? They almost certainly would.
Would the Rockets trade Yao for Amare if given the chance? Absolutely not.
Yao is going to be the kind of stud center that wins championships, and while Amare is very talented and almost surely will be a 20/10 guy for years to come, good PF's are very common.
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