Poll: NBA Rookie of the year (ROY)

[SherEPunjab]

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: iamme
Yao will win ROY, unless Amare has an AMAZING last month, IMO.

David Stern probably wants Yao to win too....good for Chinese interest in the NBA.

yes, he is. but let's not say it as if he didn't deserve it. Chinese interest. local interest all are important to the NBA, but Yao is definitely one of the top 2 or 3 rookies in the NBA this year. in my opinion he deserves it as much as anyone else in the league.

don't get me wrong, i've been a Yao fan all year i went w/ some friends to the Pistons vs. Rockets game just to check out Yao (and watch him throw a vicious dunk down on Ben )

i'm just saying if it came down to the wire with Amare and Yao, i can see Stern hoping that Yao will win.

 

[lupy]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

rofl, yao it is

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: Cycad
Okay Rookie of the year has nothing to do with potential. Rookie of the year goes to the best rookie and Amare Stoudamire has played atleast twice as well as Yao. Yoa has shown some signs of life but Stoudamire brings life to the game when he plays. We will see if Yoa can hang in the NBA but as long as he is getting boxed out by guys that are 6' 9" he isn't gonna be a dominant force. Granted I think Yao has the mental game down, and may eventually be a better player than Amare, this year he has failed to prove that he is the ROY.

twice as well? yao is leading stoudamire all the major categories except boards, plus houston is 3-1 vs. phoenix and is in the 8 spot in the west.

you're talking out of your ass.


seriously though both players are doing way better than expected this year, and i'll bet chicago is lamenting their pick of jwill. yao will probably win it because he's better with the media than amare. i wonder if it will come down to who gets the last playoff spot in the west. it's interesting noone mentions butler for ROY because he plays on a super sucky team.

 

[Aceshigh]

Yao Ming will easily win. Both Yao and Amare have similar numbers, but Yao has come up big more often in the clutch situations. Last night's game was a prime example. He carried the Rockets to victory in the 4th quarter with some key scores and some important blocks. Also if you take away the first 10 games of the season when Yao was getting no playing time at all, his stats would look much better than they do now. He would probably be over 15 points a game.

Yao has played great this year, and he is only going to get better. The Rockets were so lucky to get the number one pick that gave us Yao. When Yao and Steve Francis get some more experience I really think we are going to have a dynasty and win several championships this decade.

 

[joe678]

Originally posted by: dethman

Originally posted by: Cycad
Okay Rookie of the year has nothing to do with potential. Rookie of the year goes to the best rookie and Amare Stoudamire has played atleast twice as well as Yao. Yoa has shown some signs of life but Stoudamire brings life to the game when he plays. We will see if Yoa can hang in the NBA but as long as he is getting boxed out by guys that are 6' 9" he isn't gonna be a dominant force. Granted I think Yao has the mental game down, and may eventually be a better player than Amare, this year he has failed to prove that he is the ROY.

twice as well? yao is leading stoudamire all the major categories except boards, plus houston is 3-1 vs. phoenix and is in the 8 spot in the west.

you're talking out of your ass.


seriously though both players are doing way better than expected this year, and i'll bet chicago is lamenting their pick of jwill. yao will probably win it because he's better with the media than amare. i wonder if it will come down to who gets the last playoff spot in the west. it's interesting noone mentions butler for ROY because he plays on a super sucky team.

jwill sucks...chandler and curry have recently started to produce something at least and crawford has been great lately...imagine yao/chandler/curry in the middle...thatd be pretty sick in the future...

 

[EvilYoda]

I haven't really watched Amare all that much, other than SportCenter replays, but Yao really brought more to the sport, outside of the physical game, than the others did...that, and he's so frickin tall. I went to the Pistons vs Rockets game here in Michigan, and the game was horrible, but man is he tall.

 

[XMan]

Amare Wins! Booya!

 

[Stojakapimp]

There shouldn't have been a question about it...I'm glad Amare got it.

Some of you talked about potential, but if anything, that should put ROY in Amare's favor. If Yao Ming has all this potential yet the Rockets didn't even make it to the playoffs, then obviously he didn't do that great. In the long run, yes, Yao Ming will be better than Amare Stoudemire, but Amare's effectiveness was better this season. You can bring up stats and all that, but one team is in the playoffs, the other isn't.

The Rockets are one of the hardest teams to watch. Until they learn that they need to center their team around Yao Ming, I will have no respect for them. Just keep on playing your 1 on 1 basketball

 

[XMan]

In the long run, yes, Yao Ming will be better than Amare Stoudemire, but Amare's effectiveness was better this season. You can bring up stats and all that, but one team is in the playoffs, the other isn't.

I don't even agree with that; Yao has been playing professionally for 5 years. Amare stepped onto the court directly out of high school put up nigh-identical numbers to Yao. The sky is the limit for Stoudemire. I'm not saying that Yao won't improve, but I don't think he'll be as good as Amare will be when all is said and done - especially if the Rockets keep their offense focused around Mobley and Francis.

EDIT:

Just to show close it really was, here's how Yao and Amare stack up. I'll bold the higher numbers of each.

Yao:

GP: 82, 72 started
Minutes: 2382
Points: 1104
Rebounds: 675 (196, off, 479 def)
Assists: 137
Steals: 31
Blocks: 147
FG: 49.8% (401 of 805)
FT: 81.1% (307 of 371)

Amare:

GP: 82, 71 started
Minutes: 2570
Points: 1106
Rebounds: 721 (250 off, 471 def)
Assists: 78
Steals: 62
Blocks: 87
FG: 47.2% (392 of 830)
FT: 66.1& (320 of 484)

 

[Reliant]

I've said Amare would win it all year.
It is much more impressive for this kid to come out of high school and do as well as he did compared the way Yao Ming played all year.

 

[Lifer]

Originally posted by: X-Man
Amare Wins! Booya!

Uhmm... does that article even mean anything?
It was conducted by some paper (is it a local AZ paper? biased maybe?).

EDIT: East Valley Tribune is a paper local to the Phoenix area.
WTF?? I'm appalled that ESPN would even publish that sh!t.
Talk about biased, wtf do you think AZ residents are going to vote for???

Isn't ROY decided by league officials or coaches?
NBA.com had their own poll recently and Yao was dominating the votes by FAR.

I've watched some Houston games and the reason they didn't get into the playoffs is because Houston is not as deep as Phoenix, and they rarely ran plays around Yao (granted Yao was not as dominating inside as well - missed many many post up/inside moves).
Whenever Francis or Mobley could/did not penetrate, they resorted to the jump shot which is bad because they're not that good of an outside shooting team.

Poor poor coaching on Rudy T's part.

Amare is nothing but an outstanding leaper and hustler, all out athleticism, which is sometimes good enough to win.
He needs to develop a consistent shot or some kind of offensive move.
Until then, he cannot be dominant in this league, if he relies on others to make him better (alley oops, rebounding dunks).

Yao is more skill, finesse and talent.
He is a franchise type player because he has an offensive game - he draws double teams, face the basket, post you up and will have the team's offense run around him.

 

[astroview]

I'm not sure Jay Williams should be on anyone's top 5 rookies of the year list. He hasn't really come out the way the team needed or wanted.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Lifer

Originally posted by: X-Man
Amare Wins! Booya!

Uhmm... does that article even mean anything?
It was conducted by some paper (is it a local AZ paper? biased maybe?).

EDIT: East Valley Tribune is a paper local to the Phoenix area.
WTF?? I'm appalled that ESPN would even publish that sh!t.
Talk about biased, wtf do you think AZ residents are going to vote for???

Isn't ROY decided by league officials or coaches?
NBA.com had their own poll recently and Yao was dominating the votes by FAR.

I've watched some Houston games and the reason they didn't get into the playoffs is because Houston is not as deep as Phoenix, and they rarely ran plays around Yao (granted Yao was not as dominating inside as well - missed many many post up/inside moves).
Whenever Francis or Mobley could/did not penetrate, they resorted to the jump shot which is bad because they're not that good of an outside shooting team.

Poor poor coaching on Rudy T's part.

Amare is nothing but an outstanding leaper and hustler, all out athleticism, which is sometimes good enough to win.
He needs to develop a consistent shot or some kind of offensive move.
Until then, he cannot be dominant in this league, if he relies on others to make him better (alley oops, rebounding dunks).

Yao is more skill, finesse and talent.
He is a franchise type player because he has an offensive game - he draws double teams, face the basket, post you up and will have the team's offense run around him.

Did you read the article? Because your reading comprehension sucks. They polled the folks responsible for voting for the NBA postseason awards. THAT is why the article was on ESPN.

 

[Lifer]

MESA, Ariz. -- Amare Stoudemire will win the NBA's rookie of the year award, according to a survey by the East Valley Tribune.

The newspaper reported Tuesday that with more than 70 percent of the voters responding, the Phoenix Suns forward had an insurmountable lead over Houston Rockets center Yao Ming.

The newspaper said 49 voters had Stoudemire first, to 31 for Yao. Miami forward Caron Butler had 11 first-place votes.

All 91 of those responding had Stoudemire either first or second on their ballots, while Yao was picked third by 19 voters. A player receives five points for a first-place vote, three for second, and one for third.

Even if Yao finished first and Stoudemire second on the remaining 35 ballots, Stoudemire still would win, the newspaper concluded.

Mike Tulumello, the reporter who did the survey, said he had heard from even more voters Tuesday and their comments reinforced the conclusion that Stoudemire would win.

Stoudemire would be the third Phoenix Suns player to win the award, following Alvan Adams in 1976 and Walter Davis in 1978. He would be the first player to come directly from high school and win the honor.

Please show me where it says that.
Or am I just overlooking it?

Nowhere do I see where it says folks responsible for voting for the NBA postseason awards.
Seems more like an informal poll conducted locally to me

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Lifer

MESA, Ariz. -- Amare Stoudemire will win the NBA's rookie of the year award, according to a survey by the East Valley Tribune.

The newspaper reported Tuesday that with more than 70 percent of the voters responding, the Phoenix Suns forward had an insurmountable lead over Houston Rockets center Yao Ming.

The newspaper said 49 voters had Stoudemire first, to 31 for Yao. Miami forward Caron Butler had 11 first-place votes.

All 91 of those responding had Stoudemire either first or second on their ballots, while Yao was picked third by 19 voters. A player receives five points for a first-place vote, three for second, and one for third.

Even if Yao finished first and Stoudemire second on the remaining 35 ballots, Stoudemire still would win, the newspaper concluded.

Mike Tulumello, the reporter who did the survey, said he had heard from even more voters Tuesday and their comments reinforced the conclusion that Stoudemire would win.

Stoudemire would be the third Phoenix Suns player to win the award, following Alvan Adams in 1976 and Walter Davis in 1978. He would be the first player to come directly from high school and win the honor.

Please show me where it says that.
Or am I just overlooking it?

Nowhere do I see where it says folks responsible for voting for the NBA postseason awards.
Seems more like an informal poll conducted locally to me

It's very obviously intimated. But that's fine, if you want to disagree, you have the right. Why don't we put some money on it? I'll bet you $100 that the article is correct, and Stoudemire has won the award. Interested?

 

[prodigy]

Frank Williams.

 

[astroview]

If the NYtimes, WSJ, USAtoday, or ESPN did that poll I'd say its probably of real voters. But this "East Valley Tribune" (wherever the heck that is) doesn't really inspire me to think amare will win.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: astroview
If the NYtimes, WSJ, USAtoday, or ESPN did that poll I'd say its probably of real voters. But this "East Valley Tribune" (wherever the heck that is) doesn't really inspire me to think amare will win.

MSNBC, ESPN, etc., have all picked up on the story . . .

SAN ANTONIO - Amare Stoudemire has won the coveted 2003-04 NBA rookie-of-the-year award, according to a survey of the award's voters by the Tribune. With more than 70 percent of the voters responding, the Suns forward leads the much more high-profile Houston Rockets center Yao Ming, 49-31 in first-place votes.

Now, ask yourself - why the hell would ESPN run this story if it were a poll of random fans?

 

[jw791]

The East Valley Tribune is a Phoenix based newspaper - don't put much stock in those results.

If I had to pick 'em after this seaon, I'd pick Amare. He is SO unpolished, yet he put up amazing numbers.

He will be a monster in this league for years to come once the refs give him some respect.

 

[Lifer]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: astroview
If the NYtimes, WSJ, USAtoday, or ESPN did that poll I'd say its probably of real voters. But this "East Valley Tribune" (wherever the heck that is) doesn't really inspire me to think amare will win.

MSNBC, ESPN, etc., have all picked up on the story . . .

SAN ANTONIO - Amare Stoudemire has won the coveted 2003-04 NBA rookie-of-the-year award, according to a survey of the award's voters by the Tribune. With more than 70 percent of the voters responding, the Suns forward leads the much more high-profile Houston Rockets center Yao Ming, 49-31 in first-place votes.

Now, ask yourself - why the hell would ESPN run this story if it were a poll of random fans?

Good job, you linked to another Arizona paper

NBA.com conducts polls based on website viewer's votes, and posts links to local articles all the time.
I don't see why ESPN doesn't.

 

[matsuhisa]

yao ming hasn't done anything this year... are the rockets in the playoffs? no way... i think amare is the ROY. he contributed greatly to the phoenix's run to the playoffs.

 

[Camby]

Since their stats are pretty much similar, you have to look at which one has improved his team more. That's easy, its Amare, the Suns didn't make it to the playoffs last year, and this year, they're #8 while the rockets didn't even make it.

 

[masterxfob]

i hate all you bandwagon jumping chumps! YAO had a nice year, but how can you really say he had a better year than AMARE?!?!?!?!

as for your picks, that should not have anything to do with ROY award. while i believe AMARE should win ROY, i strongly believe that YAO will become the better, more dominant player. that and the fact that a true talented center is extremely hard to find these days, makes YAO's stock rise even more.

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: matsuhisa
yao ming hasn't done anything this year... are the rockets in the playoffs? no way... i think amare is the ROY. he contributed greatly to the phoenix's run to the playoffs.

Yeah ok. Yao Ming has done nothing this year.

And for the most part, it was really the outstanding play of Marbury in the last 10 games in April that helped the Suns reach the playoffs. Rockets didn't make it because their entire team collapsed under pressure. The only player that played decently in the last 10 games for Houston was James Posey.

Anyways, I don't care if Yao doesn't get it anymore. The big question now is: Would the Suns trade Amare for Yao? That right there is a no brainer. Wait till Houston wins a few championships.