Poll: MSI vs. Abit vs. Asus

WTT0001

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I am going to buy a new motherboard pretty soon and before hanging around in the forums I had decided to go with the MSI Pro2 (price was low, performance was good) BUT I have noticed that here (in the forums) there are a lot of people having problems with them so my question is should I stick with the MSI, Pay more ($40) for the abit, or get more info on the Asus??? Go Vote on it!!!

Thanks All,

WTT0001

P.S. Already have decided not to go with any of the boards based on the KT133A chipset
 

nickdakick

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Last week I had to RMA my MSI K7T Pro2A plus wwhat I've read about this board does make me a bit suspicious to MSI. Just my .02 $.
 

Mem

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You can go with either the MSI K7T Pro2 or the Asus A7V both good boards in my book.The problems apppear to be with with the MSI K7T Pro2A not the PRO2,anyway I can only comment on the MSI board I use,in this case it`s the MSI K7T Pro & IMHO,it`s probably the best board I`ve owned.

:)
 

pugh

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My MSI K7T pro board is great too,i also just ordered the pro2 for my cousins new pc..
 

ErikaeanLogic

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Get an EPoX 8KTA3 for the 133MHz fsb support. It's at about the same price-point as the other boards you've mentioned and overclocks like a demon! If you want to spend more cash, then get the ASUS A7V133. I've got 'em both and they both rock. Only got the ASUS for the RAID support, but sold it and got another 8KTA3.

Sorry, I know this wasn't in the list of options you gave, but why pay for yesterday's technology when you can get today's for the same $$$?;)
 

Octoberblue

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If you can wait just a week or two more you should be able to look at reviews of the Asus A7V133 and get tons of info in the forums about it. My experience with Asus indicates that when there are indigenous problems in the hardware (such as the VIA chipset growing pains, 686B southbridge, etc.) Asus works around these problems better than anyone else out there.

Their BIOS updates and driver updates are far superior to other brands, and once a chipset starts to mature, such as the KT-133 is continuing to do in the KT-133A, Asus always seems to come up with the best implementation of it.

Their products are incredibly consistent over large numbers of sales, and their stability and performance are not just great when you first get them and run the benchmarks, they stay great literally for years or even improve with BIOS/Driver improvements.

Some will say this is true of a lot of manufacturers, but really a lot of brands degrade in stability & performance over time, some have been known to do so very quickly. Can't say if this is true of other boards but it isn't true of Asus.

Word of caution, computer enthusiasts sometimes identify with their chosen brands in a non-objective way. Sort of like identifying with a sports team: you may love your team and think it's the greatest, so you believe they're going to win the big game when everyone else pretty much knows they're going to get creamed. People get that way about their hardware too, so don't buy into every enthusiastic endorsement you see anywhere online.

My statements about Asus are not from "brand identification" as I call it, they are from a combination of experience and widely known verifiable facts that have given asus the reputation it has. There are a lot of good brands out there, but there aren't many great ones.
 

Jason1978

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Just traded in my MSI Pro 2 A for an Abit KT7A... much happier..much more stable, and more overclocking options... if your not overclocking tho... the MSI board is a great deal!!
 

Hamburgerpimp

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I have always liked Abit Slot/Sockets for the Athlon, even though I have burned 3 of their mobos. :Q
 

heng1028

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My Pro2-A doesn't give me any problems since day one....

i wonder why so many people got many problems with theirs

i think i just got lucky
 

bupkus

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Stability is the most important thing to me. The reason I'm holding out for MSI's Turbo is Anand's report that the Microstar Turbo Beta didn't crash in a 48 hour period. Now, I've just read in this thread that ASUS has a tremendous reputation for longevity and also many swear by Abit.

I don't care which is the fastest of the three, I just hate it when my pc freezes up.
It could be it's age, but my Tyan Tomcat II with a P133 is freezing up several times a day.
Clearly, I keep computers a long time. I just hope that whatever I buy will run stable for up to 2 years. Which one is most stable? I still don't know.

Correction: Anand, not Tom's, wrote the article.
 

RoboTECH

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octoberblue makes good points re: hardware associations.

well, interestingly enough, after years of Abit/Asus worshipping, I've tried a couple MSI boards, the BX Master and the K7T Pro2a, and they both have been the best boards I've used for each platform.

I used to swear by Asus and Abit, but lately, MSI has been blowing me away. Took my Duron 800 up to 1000 @ 1.75v without problems, stable as hell. Easiest setup I've ever had in my life, too.

Let's be honest here for a second...most people really don't know what they're doing. If they're bitching about hardware, the problem almost always lies between the keyboard and the back of the chair. ;)

Now then, the reason you see so many people on these forums having "problems" is a fewfold:

1) Anand rated the K7T Pro2a as the best Kt133 board (I concur)
2) People read what Anand wrote and said "hot damn, I'm gonna get me one"
3) TONS of people who read Anand's website bought one
4) People made small mistakes in their installation. Some examples:
a) didn't reinstall windows and had an Intel-chipset based board previously
b) Didn't install their drivers in the right order, i.e. 4-in-1 then video drivers then DX8, in that order
c) Tried to install Windows with all their peripherals plugged in already, instead of starting with the "bare essentials", i.e. RAM, video, HDD and CD-ROM, then adding (in order) sound, modem/NIC, SCSI, etc.
5) They report their "problems" here, because that's where they got the idea to get the board in the first place.
6) Since so many people that read Anand's bought Pro2a's and are reporting their mistakes/"problems" here, it seems like the boards are "problematic"

Another MAJOR MAJOR issue I see is people blaming things like a CPU unlocking or overclocking instability on the motherboard, when in reality, they have performed a HACK JOB on their CPU's to get them unlocked. They either do a $hitty job on the lucite/conductive pen bridge closing, or they use a flippin' lead pencil and think it's going to be a permanent solution (what a joke!) or they use a FOP3x and in the process of attaching the HSF, they either damage their CPU or mess up their bridge closing.

Really, everyone seems very willing to blame the motherboard in all their situations, when in all probability, it's their own screwup. This isn't just with MSI boards, either, I'm seeing it with almost all boards anymore.

<steps off soapbox>

anyhoo....

A friend of mine recommended the MSI BX master awhile back, and tho reluctant to give up my obsesion with Asus and Abit, I went for it, and it was, quite easily, the best performing, most stable mobo I've ever had.

up until the Pro2a...

The K7T Pro2a kicks some ass, all around. I used the overclocker's beta BIOS (help me out with linkage guys, I have it on my home system), and the thing was so stable it's almost funny. Couldn't get it to crash no matter what.

As it stands, I've only used 3 MSI boards so far (2 in &quot;upper end&quot; systems where I actually care about performance and stability, I'll be darned if I can remember the first one), but I was stupid impressed with all of them, especially the 2 &quot;big guns&quot;.

I wouldn't worry about using the MSI board unless you're not real familiar with hardware. In which case, using ANY motherboard may (or may not!) give you fits.

If you don't want to go KT133a, grab the Pro2a. It is killer. So good that, when I pick up a KT133a board, it'll almost definitely be the MSI solution. Color me totally impressed with MSI.
 

heng1028

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good one Robotech

a stable system doesn't depend only on a stable mobo, it depends on everything in your system from the drivers, cpu and hardwares.....


if you don't have all of those, you will never have a stable system eventhough you have a good mobo.

just my 2 cents
 

Tako

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IMO, I'd say most instability problems arise from poor RAM quality/incompatible RAM more than anything else.

Tako_chu
 

slpaulson

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Why not get a via kt133a board?

I like the epox 8kta3 board that I built a computer with for a customer. The iwill kk266 also seems good.
 

iamfried

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I agree with Robo.
I bought an MSI k7tpro2 based on anand's review. I had some problems setting up, most of them covered by Robo's problems, I came onto the forums, conducted a few searches and corrected my operator error problems.
Since then, everything is perfect (duron 800 oc'ed to 920something). I even wrote Creative labs and asked them if their sblive would work on this board, they said maybe... I had no problems installing that and everything has been super stable. My board has not crashed or locked up, even once.
I would buy this board again. (No personnal experience with newer boards by others)
out
 

Octoberblue

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Here's a question. Let's say I want to put in a new mobo, don't have a burner, and want to preserve my setup as is. Now I've done this before with no problems at all, but this is different. This chipset has to be set up &quot;just right&quot;. Now I know all of them do, but let's admit that this one has more patches and workarounds than average. Even the old Super 7 solutions were simpler to setup than this thing.

I cannot simply wipe everything out in this particular instance. I do have Partion Magic 6.0, Win2K, and I do know how to partition/format etc. in DOS. So what do I do? Create a new partion, install board, setup everything on the new partion, fresh install W2K, then copy everything over? That could be a big time pain. Don't want to run several partions indefinately either. So what's the best route? Could Norton Ghost come into play? Anybody got experience with Ghost? Work well? Other options?...
 

DreamKaZz

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MSI K7T PRO2 !!!!
I love this board stable as a rock (Tbird 1.1GHz@1.3GHz) Fast and good overclocking options.
Got this board based on the Anand review and i'm not disapointed. I'm pretty happy I ditched those slow celerons.

An Happy Camper
 

RoboTECH

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octoberblue, just boot into DOS and rename the important files (i.e. win.com, windows folder, system.ini, winini, msdos.sys, etc.)

then install windows right over top of that. no problemo. reinstall your apps to the exact same locations, and make sure if you changed any important files that might be overwritten by a reinstall, you make a copy of them.

As far as being set up &quot;just right&quot;, Windows gets blamed for a lot of things that can be attributed to stuff NOT being set up &quot;just right&quot;, y'know?