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POLL: Military (officer), yes, or no?

Okay, I'm seriously considering joining the Air Force. I am:

- Recently finished with a BA (so aiming for the officer-track)
- Fluent in Korean (Native-Level)
- Fluent in English (Native-Level)
- Conversant in Japanese
- Naturalized Citizen
- 24 years old

Although I don't quite know whether this is true or not, apparently, I give a very good impression of people, where they think I'm very bright/ level-headed. This was a while back, but I've also taken the ASVAB for the enlisted track as well . . . and scored high enough where I would qualify for any job I wanted.

Of course, being a nerd, I scored on the top 5% on my ACT's (despite a permanent GPA range of 2.--'s) . . . so I test well.

If I go in, I'm aiming for an intelligence position - with the military's shortage of linguists and enrollment rate, I doubt very much that I'll have very much trouble going in (knock on wood) . . . but what are the pros and cons? I've researched a bit, asked a lot of my friends (a lot of my good friends were enlisted, coincidentally) and they give me an answer that's 50% positive, 50% negative . . . I don't mind so much the constant moving around (I know where I'd be stationed if I went anyhow), or the time involved, but what I *do* mind, however, is the dumbasses above *and* below me - of course I'd get that anywhere, but that's especially pronounced in the military, from what I hear (and see, and read . . ..). But since I'm aiming for intelligence in the Air Force (as opposed, say, to the Marines) as an officer, I'm hoping to sidestep that as much as possible.

And one additional note; since I've been thinking about it for a while I had opportunities where I got to talk to my family about it - they seem opposed to the idea, but they said that they'd support whatever decision I've made - other than potentially exposing myself to danger, I don't see why they're so opposed to it - I think that's a good chunk of the reason why I'm hesitating.

Also, I do not plan on going in as a career choice. I mean, if I end up enjoying it so much, fine; but at this juncture, I hope to return to the private sector once I've finished my minimum requirement - but I'm asking this because 4 years active duty is still a long commitment IMO.

As far as a long-term career goal, I'd like to continue my higher-level education, say, masters or a PhD in Linguistics, so I think it'll fit with my overall plans. (Yes, I realize that "Foreign Languages" and "Linguistics" are two different fields)

So, in your opinion, is there anything glaring about the military I've missed? Do the pros outweigh the cons? And this is a very, very rudimentary impression; but hypothetically, if a close friend of yours that's at least halfway bright was considering the same thing, would you recommend it to him?

Cliff's Notes:
- Considering Air Force Officer track
- Did some rudimentary research
- Talked to some people, 50% yay, 50% nay
- Any pros/cons?

UPDATE: I just talked to an online advisor . . . and they're only accepting technical degrees. 🙁

UPDATE2: Air Force said no, but Army said yes - will look into it some more! 😀

UPDATE3: Took the ASVAB to-day (12/12/05) have yet to get the actual score, but scored a 99 on the AFQT - it's a percentage, of which I got the highest score. :thumbsup:😀
 
The military pays very little and is a lot of work. Unless you have the passion to do it, I would not recommend it. The military is for those with a passion for that sort of stuff, which I respect. But if you're only looking for a career, it's not a good choice. Forget the pension after 20 years, you are paying for that yourself for all the years of hard work and little pay. You can make more in the private sector in after the pension.
 
If you are looking for the opportunity to broaden your horizons while serving your country then by all means do it. Joining the Navy was the one correct decision I made when I was a teen. Even though I only served my 4 years and left it is what made me what I am today.
 
There are alot more rewarding things in life than money. I've known a couple of guys that left their corporate world to join something that didn't have as high as pay but was rewarding work (one joined the Secret Service, another the Air Force) and my wife's cousin re-enlisted in the Air Force despite already serving 20 years.

So, really, it's about what you want to do with your life.
 
Umm you will be in iraq 6 months after you sign up.

Also you'll make way more money in private sector, gov't jobs don't pay much. It's a lot better deal if they put you thru school, but you're done with that also.
 
Originally posted by: halik
Umm you will be in iraq 6 months after you sign up.

This is just such a stupid statement. I have a friend who went into the airforce and he's been there for a year. He is currently in S. Korea.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
The military pays very little and is a lot of work. Unless you have the passion to do it, I would not recommend it. The military is for those with a passion for that sort of stuff, which I respect. But if you're only looking for a career, it's not a good choice. Forget the pension after 20 years, you are paying for that yourself for all the years of hard work and little pay. You can make more in the private sector in after the pension.

Psst...

O-3 @ 3 (lower grade pay and low # of years) years makes $3,823.20/mo or $45,878.40/ year. Not bad for 3 years of service, not a lot of $, but definatly not paying very little...

O-6 @ 6 years = 5,805.90/mo or $69,670.80/year.

Also, this is base pay, it can go higher.
 
Originally posted by: halik
Umm you will be in iraq 6 months after you sign up.

Also you'll make way more money in private sector, gov't jobs don't pay much. It's a lot better deal if they put you thru school, but you're done with that also.

Ummm....no he won't. The Air Force is not stationed as abundantly in Iraq as the Marines and Army are. With his language background, he'd much more likely be stationed elsewhere.

And as I said before, there is more to life than money.
 
Well, I would never do it, but that because I despise authority, am an anarchist, hate being near people who aren't smart, place a very high value on money, free time, independence, and distance from other people. However, if you have few of these personality traits, it may be a good choice for you. Just keep in mind the money sucks.
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
The military pays very little and is a lot of work. Unless you have the passion to do it, I would not recommend it. The military is for those with a passion for that sort of stuff, which I respect. But if you're only looking for a career, it's not a good choice. Forget the pension after 20 years, you are paying for that yourself for all the years of hard work and little pay. You can make more in the private sector in after the pension.

Psst...

O-3 @ 3 (lower grade pay and low # of years) years makes $3,823.20/mo or $45,878.40/ year. Not bad for 3 years of service, not a lot of $, but definatly not paying very little...

O-6 @ 6 years = 5,805.90/mo or $69,670.80/year.

Also, this is base pay, it can go higher.

Not to mention that if he chooses to live on base he'll get free everything (housing, utilities) and cheap groceries.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: halik
Umm you will be in iraq 6 months after you sign up.

Also you'll make way more money in private sector, gov't jobs don't pay much. It's a lot better deal if they put you thru school, but you're done with that also.

Ummm....no he won't. The Air Force is not stationed as abundantly in Iraq as the Marines and Army are. With his language background, he'd much more likely be stationed elsewhere.

And as I said before, there is more to life than money.

Yeah, but almost everything can be bought with money. Not true friendship, admitedly, but money helps with that, as you can afford to go out more and meet more people.
 
Originally posted by: Tick
Well, I would never do it, but that because I despise authority, am an anarchist, hate being near people who aren't smart, place a very high value on money, free time, independence, and distance from other people. However, if you have few of these personality traits, it may be a good choice for you. Just keep in mind the money sucks.

You sound like a joy to be around. Also, the Air Force is very active in recruiting intelligent individuals. You have to be to handle the aircraft and equipment.

 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Tick
Well, I would never do it, but that because I despise authority, am an anarchist, hate being near people who aren't smart, place a very high value on money, free time, independence, and distance from other people. However, if you have few of these personality traits, it may be a good choice for you. Just keep in mind the money sucks.

You sound like a joy to be around. Also, the Air Force is very active in recruiting intelligent individuals. You have to be to handle the aircraft and equipment.

True, most people do hate my guts. The Air Force may be recruiting intelligent persons, however, most highly intelligent people choose to work in the private sector.
 
Originally posted by: Tick
Well, I would never do it, but that because I despise authority, am an anarchist, hate being near people who aren't smart, place a very high value on money, free time, independence, and distance from other people. However, if you have few of these personality traits, it may be a good choice for you. Just keep in mind the money sucks.

The Air Force is known for rejecting all but the smartest folk. They aren't ground pounders (no offense to those folk, I respect you guys just as much :heart: ).

edit: lol, Queasy, get the fvck outta my head!
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
The military pays very little and is a lot of work. Unless you have the passion to do it, I would not recommend it. The military is for those with a passion for that sort of stuff, which I respect. But if you're only looking for a career, it's not a good choice. Forget the pension after 20 years, you are paying for that yourself for all the years of hard work and little pay. You can make more in the private sector in after the pension.

Psst...

O-3 @ 3 (lower grade pay and low # of years) years makes $3,823.20/mo or $45,878.40/ year. Not bad for 3 years of service, not a lot of $, but definatly not paying very little...

O-6 @ 6 years = 5,805.90/mo or $69,670.80/year.

Also, this is base pay, it can go higher.

O6, very few move up the ranks that fast.

Forbes said after 4 years out of school, the average Harvard MBA makes 195,000 a year. Only 4 years out.

And you have absolutely no "chance" financial opportunity in the military. You do not have the possibility of becoming very wealthy, unlike most private sector jobs. In the right job, you can make a few right moves and find yourself making $500k a year. No such thing in the military, the President doesn't even make that. Cannot promise something like that would happen, but atleast in the private sector you have the opportunity.

60,000 is not a lot of money. And very very very few end up making more than 100,000 in their entire life. Even 100,000 isn't a lot of money anymore.
 
Originally posted by: Tick
Well, I would never do it, but that because I despise authority, am an anarchist, hate being near people who aren't smart, place a very high value on money, free time, independence, and distance from other people. However, if you have few of these personality traits, it may be a good choice for you. Just keep in mind the money sucks.

Very few anarchists are smart. Only anarcho-capitalists maybe, but not the typical rock concert stoner liberal anarchist.
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: Tick
Well, I would never do it, but that because I despise authority, am an anarchist, hate being near people who aren't smart, place a very high value on money, free time, independence, and distance from other people. However, if you have few of these personality traits, it may be a good choice for you. Just keep in mind the money sucks.

The Air Force is known for rejecting all but the smartest folk. They aren't ground pounders (no offense to those folk, I respect you guys just as much :heart: ).

edit: lol, Queasy, get the fvck outta my head!

Even if the do reject the idiots, what intelligent person in their right mind would signup for the Airforce when they could work in the private sector?
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Tick
Well, I would never do it, but that because I despise authority, am an anarchist, hate being near people who aren't smart, place a very high value on money, free time, independence, and distance from other people. However, if you have few of these personality traits, it may be a good choice for you. Just keep in mind the money sucks.

Very few anarchists are smart. Only anarcho-capitalists maybe, but not the typical rock concert stoner liberal anarchist.

I fall into the Anarcho-capatilist group. And no, I'm not a stoner.
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: Tick
Well, I would never do it, but that because I despise authority, am an anarchist, hate being near people who aren't smart, place a very high value on money, free time, independence, and distance from other people. However, if you have few of these personality traits, it may be a good choice for you. Just keep in mind the money sucks.

The Air Force is known for rejecting all but the smartest folk. They aren't ground pounders (no offense to those folk, I respect you guys just as much :heart: ).

edit: lol, Queasy, get the fvck outta my head!

lol@ground pounders. at least that isnt as bad as "pier queers," the affectionate name for the guys from the Great Lakes navy base.
 
Originally posted by: Tick
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
The Air Force is known for rejecting all but the smartest folk. They aren't ground pounders (no offense to those folk, I respect you guys just as much :heart: ).

edit: lol, Queasy, get the fvck outta my head!

Even if the do reject the idiots, what intelligent person in their right mind would signup for the Airforce when they could work in the private sector?

Thanks, man. :roll: Anyhow, I plan on returning to the private sector after the 4 years of active duty (and the 4 addtional years of inactive service, I guess) - maybe I should mention that in the OP.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
The military pays very little and is a lot of work. Unless you have the passion to do it, I would not recommend it. The military is for those with a passion for that sort of stuff, which I respect. But if you're only looking for a career, it's not a good choice. Forget the pension after 20 years, you are paying for that yourself for all the years of hard work and little pay. You can make more in the private sector in after the pension.

Psst...

O-3 @ 3 (lower grade pay and low # of years) years makes $3,823.20/mo or $45,878.40/ year. Not bad for 3 years of service, not a lot of $, but definatly not paying very little...

O-6 @ 6 years = 5,805.90/mo or $69,670.80/year.

Also, this is base pay, it can go higher.

O6, very few move up the ranks that fast.

Forbes said after 4 years out of school, the average Harvard MBA makes 195,000 a year. Only 4 years out.

And you have absolutely no "chance" financial opportunity in the military. You do not have the possibility of becoming very wealthy, unlike most private sector jobs. In the right job, you can make a few right moves and find yourself making $500k a year. No such thing in the military, the President doesn't even make that. Cannot promise something like that would happen, but atleast in the private sector you have the opportunity.

60,000 is not a lot of money. And very very very few end up making more than 100,000 in their entire life. Even 100,000 isn't a lot of money anymore.

You must have Gatsby syndrome.
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: Tick
Well, I would never do it, but that because I despise authority, am an anarchist, hate being near people who aren't smart, place a very high value on money, free time, independence, and distance from other people. However, if you have few of these personality traits, it may be a good choice for you. Just keep in mind the money sucks.

The Air Force is known for rejecting all but the smartest folk. They aren't ground pounders (no offense to those folk, I respect you guys just as much :heart: ).

edit: lol, Queasy, get the fvck outta my head!

😀

Even the ground pounders today are very intelligent. The Army doesn't just take everyone. Even having a high school degree doesn't mean much. There was an article recently about the myth of recruiting the poor and dumb being shattered. The US Military wants intelligent soldiers who can act on their own and handle the complex equipment and strategies.
 
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