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Poll: Macbook Pro or G5 for graphics designer?

EGGO

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A G5. In fact, that's what I'd love to save up for. Don't forget, you also need the right monitor.
 

remagavon

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G5 right now. Illustrator runs like c_r_a_p emulated under rosetta. Photoshop isn't very swift either.
 

acemcmac

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NEITHER. All of the important "designer" apps (Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc) are available on windows and none of them require more hardware than you can but in a $500 dell deal. Mac multiple montior support is also CRAP compared to windows with ultramon. Save yourself a lot of money and just do it on a PC.
 

Quasmo

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Originally posted by: EGGO
A G5. In fact, that's what I'd love to save up for. Don't forget, you also need the right monitor.

CRT FTW I see all these Graphic designers buying these flashy LCD monitors, which dont produce greens the way a good ol fashion CRT can, I just find it hilarious.
 

acemcmac

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Originally posted by: Quasmo
Originally posted by: EGGO
A G5. In fact, that's what I'd love to save up for. Don't forget, you also need the right monitor.

CRT FTW I see all these Graphic designers buying these flashy LCD monitors, which dont produce greens the way a good ol fashion CRT can, I just find it hilarious.

My point exactly. They're idiots. I was a mac user for more than a decade, but the minute I had to start acutally paying for my own hardware, switching to the PC was one of the smartest decisions I've ever made.
 
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Originally posted by: acemcmac
NEITHER. All of the important "designer" apps (Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc) are available on windows and none of them require more hardware than you can but in a $500 dell deal. Mac multiple montior support is also CRAP compared to windows with ultramon. Save yourself a lot of money and just do it on a PC.

Teh WinnAr.

$ (Dell dual core laptop + all required software) < $ ( Macbook Pro Lifestyle Accessory Device )

- M4H
 

Quasmo

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Originally posted by: acemcmac
Originally posted by: Quasmo
Originally posted by: EGGO
A G5. In fact, that's what I'd love to save up for. Don't forget, you also need the right monitor.

CRT FTW I see all these Graphic designers buying these flashy LCD monitors, which dont produce greens the way a good ol fashion CRT can, I just find it hilarious.

My point exactly. They're idiots. I was a mac user for more than a decade, but the minute I had to start acutally paying for my own hardware, switching to the PC was one of the smartest decisions I've ever made.

I use U;tramon with a CRT and an LCD monitor. There is a huge diference between the two in color.
 

FreshPrince

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Originally posted by: acemcmac
NEITHER. All of the important "designer" apps (Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc) are available on windows and none of them require more hardware than you can but in a $500 dell deal. Mac multiple montior support is also CRAP compared to windows with ultramon. Save yourself a lot of money and just do it on a PC.

I agree, but they won't listen to me...so I'm trying to buy the best one. Some are already using G5's and they don't seem to have a problem. But will this person see a performance increase going from a G4 to a core duo mac? or just stick with the G5?
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: acemcmac
NEITHER. All of the important "designer" apps (Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc) are available on windows and none of them require more hardware than you can but in a $500 dell deal. Mac multiple montior support is also CRAP compared to windows with ultramon. Save yourself a lot of money and just do it on a PC.

I agree, but they won't listen to me...so I'm trying to buy the best one. Some are already using G5's and they don't seem to have a problem. But will this person see a performance increase going from a G4 to a core duo mac? or just stick with the G5?

G5, if you're using adobe's software. If they have the money the quad is actually comparable to a higher priced opteron system (one of the very few cases that this will happen in the mac world), if you're doing some heavy duty work that is.
 

acemcmac

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: acemcmac
NEITHER. All of the important "designer" apps (Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc) are available on windows and none of them require more hardware than you can but in a $500 dell deal. Mac multiple montior support is also CRAP compared to windows with ultramon. Save yourself a lot of money and just do it on a PC.

I agree, but they won't listen to me...so I'm trying to buy the best one. Some are already using G5's and they don't seem to have a problem. But will this person see a performance increase going from a G4 to a core duo mac? or just stick with the G5?

"they?" Why don't you just take the money from them and buy what you want and pocket the rest? I'm a little confused about your situation...
 

EGGO

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The only reason I want a G5 is because of the quad 2.5 GHz processors. Of course, this is me being behind on building a computer now. I just stopped right before the PCI Express came out, so I'm betting PCs can do just that, but I only heard of dual core.
 

mb

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How long will take for Photoshop, etc to run natively on the core duo Macs (and not through rosetta)? If it's only a few months away, getting the Macbbook Pro might be a better investment.
 

PowerMacG5

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G5. Most of the pro apps are running through Rosetta, so they feel like they are running on a ~1.2GHz G4. Once these apps are made universal, I would say MBP. In H.264 encoding, the MBP can easily keep up with a 2.3 GHz dual core/processor G5. I would venture to say that the fastest MBP is equivalent to my dual processor 2.5 GHz G5, if all apps were made universal.

With these new Intel chips, the main reason to get a tower (when they release towers with Intel) would be for expandability. My guess is the Pro Towers will probably have some sort of better processor, to distinguish them from the laptops better.
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: EGGO
The only reason I want a G5 is because of the quad 2.5 GHz processors. Of course, this is me being behind on building a computer now. I just stopped right before the PCI Express came out, so I'm betting PCs can do just that, but I only heard of dual core.

Quad core systems are available on both the PC and Mac front. But for a warranted quad system that supports enormous amounts of RAM like the Quad G5 does, and performs on par with it, you're paying around $700 more at least. As I said earlier in this thread it's one of the few instances where a Mac is a good deal, relative to a PC.
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: acemcmac
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: acemcmac
NEITHER. All of the important "designer" apps (Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc) are available on windows and none of them require more hardware than you can but in a $500 dell deal. Mac multiple montior support is also CRAP compared to windows with ultramon. Save yourself a lot of money and just do it on a PC.

I agree, but they won't listen to me...so I'm trying to buy the best one. Some are already using G5's and they don't seem to have a problem. But will this person see a performance increase going from a G4 to a core duo mac? or just stick with the G5?

"they?" Why don't you just take the money from them and buy what you want and pocket the rest? I'm a little confused about your situation...

he's either making a recomendation for someone, or whoever he works for will only buy a mac because of their mindset that graphic designers should use apple.
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: supafly
How long will take for Photoshop, etc to run natively on the core duo Macs (and not through rosetta)? If it's only a few months away, getting the Macbbook Pro might be a better investment.

Adobe will NOT patch CS2 to run natively. They want your money, so CS3 will be the first software to support it. The G5 will probably be on par or better than a core duo Mac in that case, so it's not a bad investment right now IMO. Once the intel powermacs come out things might be a bit different, though (depending on the cpu they choose).
 

mb

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: supafly
How long will take for Photoshop, etc to run natively on the core duo Macs (and not through rosetta)? If it's only a few months away, getting the Macbbook Pro might be a better investment.

Adobe will NOT patch CS2 to run natively. They want your money, so CS3 will be the first software to support it. The G5 will probably be on par or better than a core duo Mac in that case, so it's not a bad investment right now IMO. Once the intel powermacs come out things might be a bit different, though (depending on the cpu they choose).

Really? That's pretty lame. I'm glad that I know this now, my gf is in fashion design and was thinking about getting a Macbook Pro. Hopefully this will help me convince her to just buy a Dell or Acer or something like that :)
 

PowerMacG5

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: supafly
How long will take for Photoshop, etc to run natively on the core duo Macs (and not through rosetta)? If it's only a few months away, getting the Macbbook Pro might be a better investment.

Adobe will NOT patch CS2 to run natively. They want your money, so CS3 will be the first software to support it. The G5 will probably be on par or better than a core duo Mac in that case, so it's not a bad investment right now IMO. Once the intel powermacs come out things might be a bit different, though (depending on the cpu they choose).

As I said, the MBP already outperforms some G5's. I believe with handbrake, and H.264 encoding, the fastest MBP is encoding in real time. My G5 is barely doing that. The fastest MBP at 2.16 GHz certainly outperforms dual 2.0 GHz G5's, on par or faster than dual 2.3 GHz G5's, on par or slightly slower than dual 2.5 GHz G5's. The only G5's guaranteed faster now are the dual 2.7's, or the quad core.

And I would like to hold out hope for Adobe. I thought they pledged support to get CS2 native?
 

FreshPrince

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ok, I just configured a dell with:

pentium D 920
2GB ram ddr2 667mhz
160GB Raid 1
two 20" widescreen lcd monitors
3 year warranty
128MB nvidia quadro

for $2757 :/ <-- that's retail, with my corporate discount, I could probably get another 15-20% off...depending on my rep's mood ;)

for that price, you can barely pay for a standalone G5 :(

I need to convince them to go PC :p
 

UglyCasanova

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I :heart: my Powerbook and I was a graphic design major for 3 years. In all honesty I would get a laptop.
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: PowerMacG5
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: supafly
How long will take for Photoshop, etc to run natively on the core duo Macs (and not through rosetta)? If it's only a few months away, getting the Macbbook Pro might be a better investment.

Adobe will NOT patch CS2 to run natively. They want your money, so CS3 will be the first software to support it. The G5 will probably be on par or better than a core duo Mac in that case, so it's not a bad investment right now IMO. Once the intel powermacs come out things might be a bit different, though (depending on the cpu they choose).

As I said, the MBP already outperforms some G5's. I believe with handbrake, and H.264 encoding, the fastest MBP is encoding in real time. My G5 is barely doing that. The fastest MBP at 2.16 GHz certainly outperforms dual 2.0 GHz G5's, on par or faster than dual 2.3 GHz G5's, on par or slightly slower than dual 2.5 GHz G5's. The only G5's guaranteed faster now are the dual 2.7's, or the quad core.

And I would like to hold out hope for Adobe. I thought they pledged support to get CS2 native?

CS2 is never going to be native. CS3 will, which is due out anywhere from late this year to next summer. (Adobe quotes a 18-24month cycle, but I believe it will be faster due to the bad performance of their non native code.)
 

UnatcoAgent

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Get the G5 unless you require portability - you aren't going to go wrong with either.

Macs are far superior, PCs are clunky, over saturated machines. If you don't work in the industry you won't understand it.