Poll: Liberalize handgun ownership in Mexico?

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Who am I to tell Mexicans what their laws should be?

Just today, the government announced the arrest of 750 total members of Mexican cartels in the US! I say we are quite involved already. Im proposing a possible solution that might help to nip it in the bud.

Really?

It seems like it's well beyond bud-stage.

 

[sandorski]

No, they do not need that problem too.

 

[A5]

A bunch of Mexican peasants with Glocks isn't going to stop a cartel militia with AKs. The problem is that the Mexican gov't doesn't have the resources to fight the cartels.

 

[shortylickens]

I would be much happier if we issued a weapon to every legal US citizen living along the border, along with proper training.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Who am I to tell Mexicans what their laws should be?

Just today, the government announced the arrest of 750 total members of Mexican cartels in the US! I say we are quite involved already. Im proposing a possible solution that might help to nip it in the bud.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404

NBC News and news services
updated 5:40 p.m. CT, Wed., Feb. 25, 2009
WASHINGTON - Federal agents have rounded up 755 suspects in a wide-ranging crackdown on a Mexican drug cartel operating inside the United States, Attorney General Eric Holder announced Wednesday.

The sweep against the Sinaloa cartel culminated in a series of Drug Enforcement Administration raids overnight and early Wednesday that led to 52 arrests. In recent months, the DEA and other agencies have staged raids in 120 cities across the country that led to the 755 arrests.

"International drug trafficking organizations pose a sustained, serious threat to the safety and security of our communities," Holder said. "As the world grows smaller and international criminals step up their efforts to operate inside our borders, the Department of Justice will confront them head on to keep our communities safe."

Heres what made me think they might try AWB2.0 :

At a press conference announcing the arrests, Holder also suggested that re-instituting a U.S. ban on the sale of assault weapons would help reduce the bloodshed in Mexico, where last year 6,000 people were killed in drug-related violence.

So we are to disarm to make Mexico safer? Please.

See the idiots state why they want to ban guns, but they latch on the the wrong part. They latch on to guns as being the evil thing here, not the people that are using them for evil purposes. Guns are a tool. nothing more. Guns don't make desicions, they don't go off by themselves.
Treat the disease, not a symptom.
Legalize all drugs, tax it and let giant corporations run it all and bail them out every once in awhile.

 

[OnePingOnly]

Originally posted by: A5
A bunch of Mexican peasants with Glocks isn't going to stop a cartel militia with AKs. The problem is that the Mexican gov't doesn't have the resources to fight the cartels.

At least they get a chance! A well placed bullet is a good deterrent.

Edit: insert quote

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Who am I to tell Mexicans what their laws should be?

Just today, the government announced the arrest of 750 total members of Mexican cartels in the US! I say we are quite involved already. Im proposing a possible solution that might help to nip it in the bud.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404

NBC News and news services
updated 5:40 p.m. CT, Wed., Feb. 25, 2009
WASHINGTON - Federal agents have rounded up 755 suspects in a wide-ranging crackdown on a Mexican drug cartel operating inside the United States, Attorney General Eric Holder announced Wednesday.

The sweep against the Sinaloa cartel culminated in a series of Drug Enforcement Administration raids overnight and early Wednesday that led to 52 arrests. In recent months, the DEA and other agencies have staged raids in 120 cities across the country that led to the 755 arrests.

"International drug trafficking organizations pose a sustained, serious threat to the safety and security of our communities," Holder said. "As the world grows smaller and international criminals step up their efforts to operate inside our borders, the Department of Justice will confront them head on to keep our communities safe."

Heres what made me think they might try AWB2.0 :

At a press conference announcing the arrests, Holder also suggested that re-instituting a U.S. ban on the sale of assault weapons would help reduce the bloodshed in Mexico, where last year 6,000 people were killed in drug-related violence.

So we are to disarm to make Mexico safer? Please.

See the idiots state why they want to ban guns, but they latch on the the wrong part. They latch on to guns as being the evil thing here, not the people that are using them for evil purposes. Guns are a tool. nothing more. Guns don't make desicions, they don't go off by themselves.
Treat the disease, not a symptom.
Legalize all drugs, tax it and let giant corporations run it all and bail them out every once in awhile.

Gun's maybe just Tools, but so are many Gun Owners.

 

[CrazyLazy]

Did I magically teleport into P&N?

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
P&N --->

 

[ModerateRepZero]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/26borders.html

"Mexican authorities have long complained that American gun dealers are arming the cartels. This case is the most prominent prosecution of an American gun dealer since the United States promised Mexico two years ago it would clamp down on the smuggling of weapons across the border. It also offers a rare glimpse of how weapons delivered to American gun dealers are being moved into Mexico and wielded in horrific crimes.



The gun laws in the United States allow the sale of multiple military-style rifles to American citizens without reporting the sales to the government, and the Mexicans search relatively few cars and trucks going south across their border."

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Who am I to tell Mexicans what their laws should be?

Just today, the government announced the arrest of 750 total members of Mexican cartels in the US! I say we are quite involved already. Im proposing a possible solution that might help to nip it in the bud.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404

NBC News and news services
updated 5:40 p.m. CT, Wed., Feb. 25, 2009
WASHINGTON - Federal agents have rounded up 755 suspects in a wide-ranging crackdown on a Mexican drug cartel operating inside the United States, Attorney General Eric Holder announced Wednesday.

The sweep against the Sinaloa cartel culminated in a series of Drug Enforcement Administration raids overnight and early Wednesday that led to 52 arrests. In recent months, the DEA and other agencies have staged raids in 120 cities across the country that led to the 755 arrests.

"International drug trafficking organizations pose a sustained, serious threat to the safety and security of our communities," Holder said. "As the world grows smaller and international criminals step up their efforts to operate inside our borders, the Department of Justice will confront them head on to keep our communities safe."

Heres what made me think they might try AWB2.0 :

At a press conference announcing the arrests, Holder also suggested that re-instituting a U.S. ban on the sale of assault weapons would help reduce the bloodshed in Mexico, where last year 6,000 people were killed in drug-related violence.

So we are to disarm to make Mexico safer? Please.

See the idiots state why they want to ban guns, but they latch on the the wrong part. They latch on to guns as being the evil thing here, not the people that are using them for evil purposes. Guns are a tool. nothing more. Guns don't make desicions, they don't go off by themselves.
Treat the disease, not a symptom.
Legalize all drugs, tax it and let giant corporations run it all and bail them out every once in awhile.

What's the rollover rating on an evil gun vs a non-evil gun?

 

[0roo0roo]

at this rate it should be. because obviously the government isn't protecting its people very well.

its not reported much here but the drug wars turned very ugly down there. full on terrorism, waves of beheadings and all that.

 

[Atheus]

Any effort to arm the citizens would have to be accompanied by an even greater effort to disarm the criminals or it just result in bloodshed. I voted no.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: A5
A bunch of Mexican peasants with Glocks isn't going to stop a cartel militia with AKs. The problem is that the Mexican gov't doesn't have the resources to fight the cartels.

No, the PROBLEM is drugs are illegal.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Who am I to tell Mexicans what their laws should be?

Just today, the government announced the arrest of 750 total members of Mexican cartels in the US! I say we are quite involved already. Im proposing a possible solution that might help to nip it in the bud.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404

NBC News and news services
updated 5:40 p.m. CT, Wed., Feb. 25, 2009
WASHINGTON - Federal agents have rounded up 755 suspects in a wide-ranging crackdown on a Mexican drug cartel operating inside the United States, Attorney General Eric Holder announced Wednesday.

The sweep against the Sinaloa cartel culminated in a series of Drug Enforcement Administration raids overnight and early Wednesday that led to 52 arrests. In recent months, the DEA and other agencies have staged raids in 120 cities across the country that led to the 755 arrests.

"International drug trafficking organizations pose a sustained, serious threat to the safety and security of our communities," Holder said. "As the world grows smaller and international criminals step up their efforts to operate inside our borders, the Department of Justice will confront them head on to keep our communities safe."

Heres what made me think they might try AWB2.0 :

At a press conference announcing the arrests, Holder also suggested that re-instituting a U.S. ban on the sale of assault weapons would help reduce the bloodshed in Mexico, where last year 6,000 people were killed in drug-related violence.

So we are to disarm to make Mexico safer? Please.

See the idiots state why they want to ban guns, but they latch on the the wrong part. They latch on to guns as being the evil thing here, not the people that are using them for evil purposes. Guns are a tool. nothing more. Guns don't make desicions, they don't go off by themselves.
Treat the disease, not a symptom.
Legalize all drugs, tax it and let giant corporations run it all and bail them out every once in awhile.

What's the rollover rating on an evil gun vs a non-evil gun?

Check PM

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: sandorski
No, they do not need that problem too.

they already have it.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: A5
A bunch of Mexican peasants with Glocks isn't going to stop a cartel militia with AKs. The problem is that the Mexican gov't doesn't have the resources to fight the cartels.

No, the PROBLEM is drugs are illegal.

And what if they're legalized? Drug cartels aren't going to immediately go out of business.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: A5
A bunch of Mexican peasants with Glocks isn't going to stop a cartel militia with AKs. The problem is that the Mexican gov't doesn't have the resources to fight the cartels.

No, the PROBLEM is drugs are illegal.

And what if they're legalized? Drug cartels aren't going to immediately go out of business.

Are you kidding? Every drug cartel and street gang would be out of business instantly. Violent crime rate would fall instantly.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i voted no. you yanks probably think everyone should have guns. it's just not so. y'all need to simmer down.

Not all of us. I own guns and I don't think everyone should have guns...hell, I don't think half the people who do own guns should have them. :laugh:

w3rd up, i agree

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Who am I to tell Mexicans what their laws should be?

Just today, the government announced the arrest of 750 total members of Mexican cartels in the US! I say we are quite involved already. Im proposing a possible solution that might help to nip it in the bud.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404

NBC News and news services
updated 5:40 p.m. CT, Wed., Feb. 25, 2009
WASHINGTON - Federal agents have rounded up 755 suspects in a wide-ranging crackdown on a Mexican drug cartel operating inside the United States, Attorney General Eric Holder announced Wednesday.

The sweep against the Sinaloa cartel culminated in a series of Drug Enforcement Administration raids overnight and early Wednesday that led to 52 arrests. In recent months, the DEA and other agencies have staged raids in 120 cities across the country that led to the 755 arrests.

"International drug trafficking organizations pose a sustained, serious threat to the safety and security of our communities," Holder said. "As the world grows smaller and international criminals step up their efforts to operate inside our borders, the Department of Justice will confront them head on to keep our communities safe."

Heres what made me think they might try AWB2.0 :

At a press conference announcing the arrests, Holder also suggested that re-instituting a U.S. ban on the sale of assault weapons would help reduce the bloodshed in Mexico, where last year 6,000 people were killed in drug-related violence.

So we are to disarm to make Mexico safer? Please.

See the idiots state why they want to ban guns, but they latch on the the wrong part. They latch on to guns as being the evil thing here, not the people that are using them for evil purposes. Guns are a tool. nothing more. Guns don't make desicions, they don't go off by themselves.
Treat the disease, not a symptom.
Legalize all drugs, tax it and let giant corporations run it all and bail them out every once in awhile.

What's the rollover rating on an evil gun vs a non-evil gun?

Check PM

WHAAAA!!! Did I hurt your feelings little girl? :laugh:

Tell you what, I'll stop if you do...

 

[ModerateRepZero]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: A5
A bunch of Mexican peasants with Glocks isn't going to stop a cartel militia with AKs. The problem is that the Mexican gov't doesn't have the resources to fight the cartels.

No, the PROBLEM is drugs are illegal.

And what if they're legalized? Drug cartels aren't going to immediately go out of business.

Are you kidding? Every drug cartel and street gang would be out of business instantly. Violent crime rate would fall instantly.

You're going to tell me that drug cartels/street gangs are going to just drop to their knees and beg for mercy? Like hell. They're going to do one of two things (or both): get bigger guns, and/or be more merciless.

"you brandish a gun at me?" *RPG cocks and fires*. An armed populace is not much opposition if cowed into submission. All a cartel or street gang has to do is go hunt down any resisters, as well as their families (and considering how ruthless drug cartels can be, it's not at all far fetched). Few would think twice about defending themselves, but almost all would think twice if a loved one would be put in direct danger as a result of one's actions.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i voted no. you yanks probably think everyone should have guns. it's just not so. y'all need to simmer down.

No, we don't want anyone but us to have guns. If we can get that, then we're golden.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: A5
A bunch of Mexican peasants with Glocks isn't going to stop a cartel militia with AKs. The problem is that the Mexican gov't doesn't have the resources to fight the cartels.

No, the PROBLEM is drugs are illegal.

And what if they're legalized? Drug cartels aren't going to immediately go out of business.

Are you kidding? Every drug cartel and street gang would be out of business instantly. Violent crime rate would fall instantly.

You're going to tell me that drug cartels/street gangs are going to just drop to their knees and beg for mercy? Like hell. They're going to do one of two things (or both): get bigger guns, and/or be more merciless.

"you brandish a gun at me?" *RPG cocks and fires*. An armed populace is not much opposition if cowed into submission. All a cartel or street gang has to do is go hunt down any resisters, as well as their families (and considering how ruthless drug cartels can be, it's not at all far fetched). Few would think twice about defending themselves, but almost all would think twice if a loved one would be put in direct danger as a result of one's actions.

Fail!

Though I support guns for all, my point here is that the ILLEGALITY OF DRUGS is the ROOT PROBLEM, then you come and quote me and make an argument about guns.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: A5
A bunch of Mexican peasants with Glocks isn't going to stop a cartel militia with AKs. The problem is that the Mexican gov't doesn't have the resources to fight the cartels.

No, the PROBLEM is drugs are illegal.

And what if they're legalized? Drug cartels aren't going to immediately go out of business.

Are you kidding? Every drug cartel and street gang would be out of business instantly. Violent crime rate would fall instantly.

You're going to tell me that drug cartels/street gangs are going to just drop to their knees and beg for mercy? Like hell. They're going to do one of two things (or both): get bigger guns, and/or be more merciless.

"you brandish a gun at me?" *RPG cocks and fires*. An armed populace is not much opposition if cowed into submission. All a cartel or street gang has to do is go hunt down any resisters, as well as their families (and considering how ruthless drug cartels can be, it's not at all far fetched). Few would think twice about defending themselves, but almost all would think twice if a loved one would be put in direct danger as a result of one's actions.

Fail!

Though I support guns for all, my point here is that the ILLEGALITY OF DRUGS is the ROOT PROBLEM, then you come and quote me and make an argument about guns.

Man, you guys love to argue over shit you absolutely zero control over...

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: sandorski
No, they do not need that problem too.

they already have it.

Then there's no reason for this thread.