Poll: Is Ron DeSantis violating the 1A rights of Disney?

[ivwshane]

Wait, what? I thought their utmost duty was to serve shareholder's best interests?

As do most people but alas it’s not true.

 

[Jaskalas]

Wait, what? I thought their utmost duty was to serve shareholder's best interests?

Oh, they do.
And if those shareholders are hedgefunds that need a bigger ROI today, not tomorrow? They would sell their own mother. Their own kidney. Just for a quick buck.

 

[HomerJS]

Alright, if being removed from approved towing list is a 1A violation, then removing this special exception is also. My main beef is there wasnt any constitutional right that Disney has this exception except being large enough and greased enough elected officials to be granted this.

Although you think the special exclusion Disney got from the state is related to their 1A right they are separate.

The courts have already ruled the government cannot take away a special privilege just because you don't like that privilege. Taking it away is government retaliation which violates 1A

 

[Wreckem]

Bonus points if they can somehow use those funds to relocate some of their operations.

The funny thing is, they are getting $578million in tax breaks from Florida to build a building and move 2,000 six figure jobs to the Orlando area. They are basically relocating the imagineering department from CA to Florida. That’s the only tax break they are getting. RCID is about self governance not a tax break. They pay RCID $168million a year in taxes because they are the only tax payer. They get the benefit of muni bonds for public improvements and quick approvals. Which doesn’t mean much because Universal gets quick approvals too and gets rides built in half the time. What they pay RCID is on top of the hundreds of millions they pay to Osceola and Orange counties.

Them losing their RCID will save them $1-2billion dollars and get out of paying for power plants, water plants, fire, police, ems, roads, and a whole host of public goods and services.

People obviously have no clue what a special district is. RCID is similar to PID, PUD, MUD, etc. All of which are generally prompted to be created by developers wanting to develop undeveloped areas. The only differences, Disney owns all the land and pays all the taxes and pays for all the public goods and services, where as building developers start out owning all the land but then sell all the developed land at a profit and don’t pay a dime for any of the public improvements as they saddle the new owners with all their debts.

Special Districts are generally meant to line The pockets of developers with extra profits as they don’t have to pay for the infrastructure of their developments and get to pass they buck on to future owners. Disneys is the opposite as they have paid billions and in public infrastructure and services over the past 50 years.

For the record, I live in a special district. I get the privilege of paying an extra 1% of home value in property taxes for as long as I own my home.

 

[pcgeek11]

So to be clear you think if Obama had used the IRS to selectively audit Republican groups that was fine? After all they aren’t people.

That isn't what I said. If there were cause to audit then fine.

 

[pcgeek11]

Have you voted for any Republicans who agree with you? Have you even determined what their position is on Citizens United?

Some Have agreed with me and some have not.

Really? All politicians are up for unlimited political ads from corporations. LOL

 

[pcgeek11]

The 2 "No" votes @pcgeek11 and @Micrornd read the article below. It's a 1A SCOTUS case vs a company where the government retaliated against them. Read and tell me if it changes your vote.
O'Hare Truck Service v. City of Northlake | The First Amendment Encyclopedia (mtsu.edu)

I think the significant difference is that Disney has had a really sweet deal going for greater than 50 years. A deal that no one else has had in Florida that I know of. It is now being ended and places them on a level with other business'.

 

[pcgeek11]

It's too bad then that you don't know that many women take birth control for non pregnancy-related issues. It's too bad, then, that you only ever prefer to argue from a position of complete ignorance.

There are lots of drugs that are not covered by all insurance carriers. Should they be required to cover ALL drugs that people may be taking for a health condition. Some of which costs many thousands of dollars and people have to have them of die. They have to pay out of pocket. Birth Control pills are very cheap in comparison, according to Planned Parenthood it cost between 0 - 50 dollars a month.

 

[pcgeek11]

He is another that feigns ignorance.

^^^^
Another one that feigns superiority. LOL

 

[fskimospy]

That isn't what I said. If there were cause to audit then fine.

Can you explain to me what neutral set of principles would make this action by Florida okay but would not make it okay for Obama to order the audit of political groups who defied him?

 

[ivwshane]

There are lots of drugs that are not covered by all insurance carriers. Should they be required to cover ALL drugs that people may be taking for a health condition. Some of which costs many thousands of dollars and people have to have them of die. They have to pay out of pocket. Birth Control pills are very cheap in comparison, according to Planned Parenthood it cost between 0 - 50 dollars a month.

Yeah, health care should cover everything. Can you explain why you put profits over people? Before complaining that you never said that, feel free to give a reason why it shouldn’t be covered that isn’t profit motivated.

 

[Zorba]

I think the significant difference is that Disney has had a really sweet deal going for greater than 50 years. A deal that no one else has had in Florida that I know of. It is now being ended and places them on a level with other business'.

Just at least 150 other special districts.... Meanwhile, Universal gets massive tax breaks AND gets the city/state to pay for all of its infrastructure. RCID is as much as benefit to the citizens of Florida and especially Orange/Osceola Counties as it is to Disney. Just look at the massive tax intensives they are getting for building an engineering building off property.

 

[Zorba]

There are lots of drugs that are not covered by all insurance carriers. Should they be required to cover ALL drugs that people may be taking for a health condition. Some of which costs many thousands of dollars and people have to have them of die. They have to pay out of pocket. Birth Control pills are very cheap in comparison, according to Planned Parenthood it cost between 0 - 50 dollars a month.

Are there any ACA compliant plans that offer no drug in a specific category when there are highly effective drugs available? I've never heard of an ACA plan that said "Sure we'll pay for the steroids and antibiotics, but no lung cancer drugs for you."

 

[HomerJS]

There are lots of drugs that are not covered by all insurance carriers. Should they be required to cover ALL drugs that people may be taking for a health condition. Some of which costs many thousands of dollars and people have to have them of die. They have to pay out of pocket. Birth Control pills are very cheap in comparison, according to Planned Parenthood it cost between 0 - 50 dollars a month.

The cost of birth control pill pales in comparison to unwanted pregnancies so from a financial POV it makes more sense to provide them.

Since when is a company in a position to decide what drugs they want to cover? What if one of those religious companies decides they aren't going to cover blood transfusions because they don't believe in them? (Jehovah's Witness)

Did you know there are other uses for a female birth control pill besides pregnancy prevention? What will the insurance landscape look like if private companies are excluding their own list of procedures and drugs because they don't approve of others using them?

 

[pcgeek11]

Yeah, health care should cover everything. Can you explain why you put profits over people? Before complaining that you never said that, feel free to give a reason why it shouldn’t be covered that isn’t profit motivated.

My issue is that instead of going after the real issues (which there are many cost being the primary one) with drugs and insurance they select this Womens Health issue with birth control. Why because it is a trigger issue and tends to draw on emotions.

It would be great if it covered everything, but reality is that they don't. I would rather they fight for things that have a greater impact such as cancer related drugs and such that cost thousands of dollars a month out of pocket. On this scale of importance the 0 - 50 dollars is nothing.

 

[pcgeek11]

Are there any ACA compliant plans that offer no drug in a specific category when there are highly effective drugs available? I've never heard of an ACA plan that said "Sure we'll pay for the steroids and antibiotics, but no lung cancer drugs for you."

Well my wifes uncle is paying about 2500 a month for his cancer drugs. My brother had to pay 2600 a month for drugs to treat his pulmonary fibrosis before he died from it... Much bigger issue than 50 bucks for a months worth of Birth control.

 

[Zorba]

Well my wifes uncle is paying about 2500 a month for his cancer drugs. My brother had to pay 2600 a month for drugs to treat his pulmonary fibrosis before he died from it... Much bigger issue than 50 bucks for a months worth of Birth control.

And those are approved for what they are taking it for and there are no other alternatives? And they aren't on Medicare sans Plan-D? Maybe it is common, I've just never heard of an insurance company that just said "no cancer drugs" that was actually and ACA compliant plan.

 

[ivwshane]

My issue is that instead of going after the real issues (which there are many cost being the primary one) with drugs and insurance they select this Womens Health issue with birth control. Why because it is a trigger issue and tends to draw on emotions.

It would be great if it covered everything, but reality is that they don't. I would rather they fight for things that have a greater impact such as cancer related drugs and such that cost thousands of dollars a month out of pocket. On this scale of importance the 0 - 50 dollars is nothing.

You are saying that as male with zero experience with birth control. You don’t think that’s a little naïve? You don’t think as more and more stars enact abortion restrictions that having a proactive form of birth control isn’t a big deal?

$50 isn’t a big deal to you or me that doesn’t mean it’s not a big deal to others. I’m starting to see a pattern here, do you?

 

[ivwshane]

Well my wifes uncle is paying about 2500 a month for his cancer drugs. My brother had to pay 2600 a month for drugs to treat his pulmonary fibrosis before he died from it... Much bigger issue than 50 bucks for a months worth of Birth control.

Give me a good reason why Both birth control and cancer drugs shouldn’t be covered. Why does it need to be one or the other? What do you think is a bigger drain on society, people with cancer or unwanted pregnancies? Why does that even matter?

 

[pcgeek11]

You are saying that as male with zero experience with birth control. You don’t think that’s a little naïve? You don’t think as more and more stars enact abortion restrictions that having a proactive form of birth control isn’t a big deal?

$50 isn’t a big deal to you or me that doesn’t mean it’s not a big deal to others. I’m starting to see a pattern here, do you?

I am not saying it isn't an issue for some people. Some people can't afford a roll of toilet paper....

 

[pcgeek11]

Give me a good reason why Both birth control and cancer drugs shouldn’t be covered. Why does it need to be one or the other? What do you think is a bigger drain on society, people with cancer or unwanted pregnancies? Why does that even matter?

I agreed with you above that it would be great if they covered every drug, but in the grans scheme of things I would prefer they sort out the higher cost drugs and make some efforts to control costs first. In my perspective that would be of much greater benefit than 50 bucks a month.

 

[ch33zw1z]

My issue is that instead of going after the real issues (which there are many cost being the primary one) with drugs and insurance they select this Womens Health issue with birth control. Why because it is a trigger issue and tends to draw on emotions.

It would be great if it covered everything, but reality is that they don't. I would rather they fight for things that have a greater impact such as cancer related drugs and such that cost thousands of dollars a month out of pocket. On this scale of importance the 0 - 50 dollars is nothing.

You vote for people who wanted to destroy it all and had no plan to replace, surely you know this.

 

[Fenixgoon]

My issue is that instead of going after the real issues (which there are many cost being the primary one) with drugs and insurance they select this Womens Health issue with birth control. Why because it is a trigger issue and tends to draw on emotions.

It would be great if it covered everything, but reality is that they don't. I would rather they fight for things that have a greater impact such as cancer related drugs and such that cost thousands of dollars a month out of pocket. On this scale of importance the 0 - 50 dollars is nothing.

I agreed with you above that it would be great if they covered every drug, but in the grans scheme of things I would prefer they sort out the higher cost drugs and make some efforts to control costs first. In my perspective that would be of much greater benefit than 50 bucks a month.

And yet ensuring women's ability to control when and how to start a family is one of the biggest factors to their economic success.

Who struggles with access to birth control most of all? The poor (and we know that minorities are disproportionately poor as well). So between that reoccurring $50 expense AND the ability to delay (or prevent, if you don't want kids) having children, you've now changed the course of people's lives and increased their chances for economic success.

It shouldn't be a shock at all that as wealth increases, so does the age at which women begin families.

So the idea that birth control is not somehow "that important" is comically myopic.

 

[zinfamous]

There are lots of drugs that are not covered by all insurance carriers. Should they be required to cover ALL drugs that people may be taking for a health condition. Some of which costs many thousands of dollars and people have to have them of die. They have to pay out of pocket. Birth Control pills are very cheap in comparison, according to Planned Parenthood it cost between 0 - 50 dollars a month.

so you're changing your argument because you don't want to admit that you are clueless as to why many girls and women use, and doctors prescribe, birth control. For very real health reasons, that are always covered by insurance.

You're creating an argument that doesn't exist, because you are flailing about trying to mask your ignorance on yet another topic.

 

[zinfamous]

My issue is that instead of going after the real issues (which there are many cost being the primary one) with drugs and insurance they select this Womens Health issue with birth control. Why because it is a trigger issue and tends to draw on emotions.

It would be great if it covered everything, but reality is that they don't. I would rather they fight for things that have a greater impact such as cancer related drugs and such that cost thousands of dollars a month out of pocket. On this scale of importance the 0 - 50 dollars is nothing.

You dumb, fucking bastard: "THEY" who chose to fight birth control are fucking Catholic sociopaths like Hobby Lobby, you dumb, fucking bastard. This isn't some liberal agenda to start "creating issues" that you think aren't relevant. This is always, always, always a response to bronze-aged shitheads and their fucking brainless assault on humanity, perpetrated by rightwing sociopathic organizations that you just brush aside as "no big deal."

Then, of course, you complain and bitch that we are only talking about birth control, because this is what these sociopaths are spending all their money on, and somehow the people that are defending individual rights' to health are the ones that you blame for this nonsense.

Grow the fuck up, dummy.