Poll: Is marijauana or alcohol more harmful for human consumption?

[PhoKingGuy]

Weed smells disgusting, quite possibly one of the worst things ever created.

When I was in undergrad I always called the cops when my neighbors were smoking it.

 

[Ruptga]

These days, there are just a few kinds of stoners. Those that smoke it like cigarettes are generally clueless highschoolers or people on the same level, /btards smoke out of bongs, and everyone else vaporizes.

As the link above says, vaporization is much less dangerous; so much so that many claim there are no health risks when you go that route.

 

[LennyZ]

Alcohol is more harmful by far.
Off the top of my head I've known at least a dozen friends/co-workers/acquaintances that have ruined their lives and or careers. 2 even killed people in DUI accidents.

1 of the 2 did 5 years in prison and didn't last 1 day out without falling off the wagon.
None of my pot smoking friends are even 1/10 as bad the alcoholics.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Your not kidding.

EDIT: I'll come out and say it. I suffered some very serious emotional problems from excessive pot use in high school. It means nothing to anyone to say this unless you've been there. Words will not describe the gravity of the situation.
After stopping pot, the healing started and was completed in a FEW YEARS.

You sure it wasn't just you being a teenage snot nosed brat like all of us were? You know "a phase"?

 

[1sikbITCH]

Open-minded? when brains fall out from an "open mind"?

I stay with an alcohol...in my 50 years, I have consumed barrels of vodka, when I tell to people I do know or co-workers, many can't believe...
Considering media...etc...etc - I should have been dead long time ago...
My memory works pretty good - I do deal at work with ~ 4000 different items - most of, I could pin point in a seconds where they are on shelves...

How comes, that many barrels of vodka in that period of life, didn't fuck me up that much, like other want to say?

I would hang out with russian people, who like vodka as much as I do...Russians do drink a lot, but they can also behave at same time, they do know how to drink, what to mix or not...

Russian immigrant's average income is way up vs. an average american income...

Again, vodka is worse than pot?

Don't forget, that pot may lead you to a harder drug - heroin, coke...etc...
Alcohol doesn't have that.


Maybe some should find what Alice Cooper thinks about drugs - he never did drugs, but used to drink a couple of bottles of whiskey a day...Still can play live...

Ozzy - fucked from both - alcohol and drug mix...A Man-Vegetable.
Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Tommy Bolin - have died of alcohol abuse? there are more names could be used who died from drug abuse...

Dude go sleep it off.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Alcohol obviously. Marijuana does not cause organ failure.

I get routine physicals and none of them (yet) have shown any issues with my liver, kidneys, etc. and I average 700-800 drinks/shots per year. ANd I've been doing this for +20 years now.

 

[Juddog]

Your not kidding.

EDIT: I'll come out and say it. I suffered some very serious emotional problems from excessive pot use in high school. It means nothing to anyone to say this unless you've been there. Words will not describe the gravity of the situation.
After stopping pot, the healing started and was completed in a FEW YEARS.

LOL - as if drinking alcohol in high school would be any better? At that age you shouldn't be using any substances period. This is a no-brainer.

 

[Juddog]

Alcohol is more harmful by far.
Off the top of my head I've known at least a dozen friends/co-workers/acquaintances that have ruined their lives and or careers. 2 even killed people in DUI accidents.

1 of the 2 did 5 years in prison and didn't last 1 day out without falling off the wagon.
None of my pot smoking friends are even 1/10 as bad the alcoholics.

^^ This. Myself and several friends grew up with alcoholic dads and pretty much alcohol consumed their lives. I've known a lot of stoners over the years and most of the time they quit at some point and become productive members of society. That's one of the big benefits of not having to worry about physical withdrawl (there is emotional withdrawl of course).

 

[BladeVenom]

Alcohol abuse maybe worse, but in moderate consumption alcohol is healthy. Is any amount or marijuana actually beneficial?

 

[MrPickins]

Alcohol abuse maybe worse, but in moderate consumption alcohol is healthy. Is any amount or marijuana actually beneficial?

Kinda hard to find out when it's next to impossible to get approval to do a study...


These are relevant to the discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HarmCausedByDrugsTable.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:R..._(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence).svg

 

[1sikbITCH]

I get routine physicals and none of them (yet) have shown any issues with my liver, kidneys, etc. and I average 700-800 drinks/shots per year. ANd I've been doing this for +20 years now.

I hope you are not making a case that alcohol is safer than pot, either on a personal level or for our society.

CDC stated in 2012 that alcohol directly kills 80,000 Americans a year because they drank too much.
http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm
Can't OD on weed 🙂
Another 10,000 die under your wheel each year.
That does not include the 30,000 per year that die from cirrhosis or all those that die in the gutter and on gurneys in ER hallways with John Doe on their toes.
It also doesn't cover the countless victims of your drunken rapes and beatings and molested children and families destroyed by your rage.
Alcoholics are assholes.

Between medical issues, psych issues, domestic violence, inability to hold jobs, drunken rages, irrational decisions, and inability to function within society, alcoholics are even worse than heroin addicts on several levels.

You can't smoke enough pot to EVER act like an alcoholic. No contest.

 

[KeithTalent]

I'm very pro-legalization of most if not all drugs, but I find it very hard to believe that inhaling smoke of any kind directly into your lungs does not do some damage. That can't be good for you.

KT

 

[JMapleton]

While I still think pot should be illegal for recreational purposes, Alcohol has caused far far far far far more damage to society than pot could ever hope to.

 

[darkswordsman17]

This isn't even a question, marijuana is less harmful in almost every regard. This is not opinion, this is literal fact. Disputing this just shows you do not know what you're talking about.

I'm very pro-legalization of most if not all drugs, but I find it very hard to believe that inhaling smoke of any kind directly into your lungs does not do some damage. That can't be good for you.

KT

Water vapor?

The reason why smoking cigarettes (or other forms of tobacco actually too) is so harmful is because of all the shit they put in it. That's one reason why I can't figure out why its full on ban for smoking instead of pushing for regulations limiting the amount of nasty shit that's put in tobacco products.

Same with random smoke, the reason its bad is you're inhaling certain things and often at high levels, that are not likely present in marijuana smoke and almost absolutely not in the much smaller level that you are if you smoke pot.

Plus there's plenty of ways around the typical smoking so that's actually pretty easily alleviated.

 

[Ruptga]

What darkswordsman is trying to say is: read the abstract of the report from the last page: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

The bottom line is that MJ smoke is nothing like tobacco smoke, but that is somewhat moot since you don't have to smoke it at all. Vaporisation is a similar looking process, but it doesn't involve burning anything.

That wikipedia article is basically all about vaporizing weed, but it is just a technique that can be used with anything. Vaporisation is what hookah pipes use, and it is how e-cigs deliver nicotine.

 

[KeithTalent]

I'm well aware of the other consumption methods, but I think it's fair to say the majority of users are still smoking it and additives or not I would be shocked if doing so did not have any harmful side effects.

Again, I am 100% pro-legalization for pretty much all of that stuff I just think it's naive to think that inhaling something like that into your lungs is completely and utterly harmless.

KT

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm well aware of the other consumption methods, but I think it's fair to say the majority of users are still smoking it and additives or not I would be shocked if doing so did not have any harmful side effects.

Again, I am 100% pro-legalization for pretty much all of that stuff I just think it's naive to think that inhaling something like that into your lungs is completely and utterly harmless.

KT

Read this post: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35362135&postcount=50

Plus, like I said, water vapor is smoke but its not harmful (I'm sure it can be depending on certain factors). It depends on what is in the smoke and how much.

 

[Broheim]

to all the people saying marijuana is worse, when was the last time alcohol did something like this?

http://imgur.com/gallery/ZLQ6k

 

[Kadarin]

I'm well aware of the other consumption methods, but I think it's fair to say the majority of users are still smoking it and additives or not I would be shocked if doing so did not have any harmful side effects.

Again, I am 100% pro-legalization for pretty much all of that stuff I just think it's naive to think that inhaling something like that into your lungs is completely and utterly harmless.

KT

I have seen smokers inhale two packs of cigarettes one after the other. NO marijuana smoker will come anywhere close to that. Not even in the same order of magnitude.

 

[TallBill]

I get routine physicals and none of them (yet) have shown any issues with my liver, kidneys, etc. and I average 700-800 drinks/shots per year. ANd I've been doing this for +20 years now.

Eh... that's a good amount compared to the average society but that's a drop in the bucket compared to a full blown alcoholic. Speaking from experience. Alcohol is way way way worse.

 

[hans030390]

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[Juddog]

Are you saying you can't be a productive member of society if you use marijuana?

I'm just saying people using it have an option to quit when they want to. The alcoholics I've known have an extremely hard time quitting. One is clearly way more physically addictive than the other.

 

[tcG]

Alcohol abuse maybe worse, but in moderate consumption alcohol is healthy. Is any amount or marijuana actually beneficial?

Marijuana is actually a nootropic, a "smart drug". Being a vasodilator, it increases blood flow to the brain, and also has chemical effects which are beneficial. There isn't much stuff in scientific journals about this because of the restrictions on research, but there are studies that show in some people THC actually causes brain cell growth, in addition to studies that show increased problem solving/creative abilities. The compounds in cannabis are all quite benign, and use doesn't cause brain damage, infertility, lung cancer, etc.

These kind of studies wouldn't be surprising to anybody who has actually had an experience with marijuana, as it by no means the dumb/inhibiting experience portrayed by anti-drug commercials and your idiot high school stoner friend. The experience is the opposite... YMMV.

 

[hans030390]

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[s0me0nesmind1]

My sister was a pot-head, today dumb as a bag of rocks. Meh, I can't claim one or the other without enough facts on my side... Well, that and I haven't smoked pot...