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POLL: Is Bush taking the US in the right direction?
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CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I vote for a poll.
CsG
CsG
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Topic Title: POLL: Is Bush taking the US in the right direction?
Backwards by design
Backwards by design
Stunt
Diamond Member
Doing the right thing is all in the eyes of the beholder.
<For some, he is spot on for gay marriage and abortion; some think he's backwards.>
It all comes down to opinion...
Here's mine...you tell me if he fits my priorities:
fiscal conservative, conservative on foreign involvement/aid in the world, pro free trade, pro mutilateral decision making between nations (not unelected UN), socially progressive.
<For some, he is spot on for gay marriage and abortion; some think he's backwards.>
It all comes down to opinion...
Here's mine...you tell me if he fits my priorities:
fiscal conservative, conservative on foreign involvement/aid in the world, pro free trade, pro mutilateral decision making between nations (not unelected UN), socially progressive.
totalcommand
Platinum Member
Thank you Loomen, I couldn't have written it better myself. I really think this country is going to hell under Bush leadership.
Cerb
Elite Member
No.
We shouldn't be in the middle east.
Even being there, we should have stopped using DU a long time ago.
We shouldn't be involved in such useless things as cracking down on poppy in the ME.
We shouldn't care one little bit about Iran or NK.
We shouldn't be helping get into sh!t w/ China.
We shouldn't be in the middle east.
Even being there, we should have stopped using DU a long time ago.
We shouldn't be involved in such useless things as cracking down on poppy in the ME.
We shouldn't care one little bit about Iran or NK.
We shouldn't be helping get into sh!t w/ China.
In other words, be a isolationist and abandon our way of life while other countries interact with each other?
We cannot allow Iran to develop nukes, THAT IS ALL. We failed miserably on NK, we cannot make the same mistake on Iran.
Are you saying we should let China bully Taiwan while the worlds mightiest superpower should hide scared of China? WTF? We as a superpower have a certain responsibility, we have a certain moral obligation to help the Democratic regimes of the world to survive against Communism and Dictatoships.
We are a superpower and we should be PRO-ACTIVE in the worlds affairs and NOT HIDE from hot-topic issues. We should do any and EVERYTHING in our power to make sure the safety of Taiwan is intact and protect it from any sort of invasion from the PRC. We have a moral obligation to help our friends in Taiwan.
Cerb
Elite Member
Isolationist? No. Isolationism would only cause more problems for the economy, and would do no one any good. However, we don't need an active military presence everywhere.
Why not? Just one more piece of meat in the stewpot. So Iran gets nukes...and that, ultimately, means what? That they get to have a big gun to wave around, too? Same with NK (though, admittedly, NK is known to be aggressive).
Ah, we do? Why? And yes, we should be afraid of China. They have technology equally advanced, very good population control, and a very large population. We have a third the population, and our military branches can barely hit recruitment quotas.
Pro-active as in going over there and disrupting already unstable systems, with little reason. We have had some part in many of these nations (such as Irq, and soon, Iran) power and military abilities. Then when they don't do what we like, we should go in and 'fix' things?
And why is that? We sure need active military presence in the key regions of the world. Why do you think we have Military bases in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan? To enjoy the wonderful scenery? NO. We are there because thats where the next great source of oill will be - Central Asia - and we want to protect our interests. We also need those bases for use in Afghanistan, if need be. If we want to live the life we live now, i.e. current consumption of oil, then we better be ready to fight for oil. In fact, the fight for oil has begun.
Uh, cause if Iran gets nukes, the other countries in the Mid East and elsewhere will want them too. Egypt and SA will not sit still when the Persians can get nukes and they don't.
False. TOTALLY false. China's military technology is light years behind USA. Most of their fighter jets are from the 50's and 60's and their army is ill-equipped. Their submarine fleet has major hurdles as well. They have ZERO aircraft carriers. They are modernizing, but so are we. It will take them decades to be considered in remotely close to the US in terms of military power.
It's not about that actually, its about protecting liberty and freedom. America should fight for liberty and freedom. We have said many times over the years to the Taiwanese that we will protect them during conflict, and I predict we will, if any conflict shall arise.
I was against the Iraq invasion, but since we're there lets move on instead of criticizing it day and night. We need to finish the job in Iraq. The job will not be finished until the Iraqis can provide adequate safety for the entire country. The transformation process is taking place as we speak as the power is being given into the hands of the new Iraqi regime. Lets see how that plays out.
As for invading Iran, that would be the worst thing we could possibly do. I am totally against it.
The Iranians love America, they love Bush and they yearn for Democracy and the basic human freedoms that we are all entitled to. Invading Iran would completely turn public opinion against us and will do us great harm.
Cerb
Elite Member
China has similar technology to us--not production. We have no way of knowing how quickly that could change. They have serious capability; and how long would it take to move it towards war machine manufacturing? No one really knows (probably over a year, but beyond that...?). The only things they have that are equally powerful are nukes; but you'd have to wonder how well MAD will hold up, there. However, China is well-placed for lesser conflict (economic), involving oil consumption.
As for the rest, I largely agree in what and why these things are happening--just disagree that they are good reasons and that we should be doing most of it.
As for the rest, I largely agree in what and why these things are happening--just disagree that they are good reasons and that we should be doing most of it.
I have to admit that Bush and what he's done, and trying to do in a lot of areas worries me. I think Iraq was a huge screw up that may work out of, by luck more than anything Bush or anyone else tried it do.
If China was to attack Taiwan, it would be a disaster for us computer geeks as almost everything in my home PC comes from Taiwan. I think after 55+ years, it's a separate country in every way but the declaration that it is. I think we should warn China that if they attack Taiwan, we will come to their defense militarily, and embargo as many of China's goods as is possible (At this point, I don't know how much that could be). I think it's just a matter of the right trigger to bring the Chinese Communists down, and if they attack Taiwan, that might do it.
Bush, and the republicans who worry about gay marriage and stuff really annoy me. Why the hell would I care about it, and why do they? I know several gay people, and I could care less if they get married, it's just a way to say they are together, and to make wills and child custody for a survivor a sure and not basically at the whim of a judge who doesn't like the lifestyle. BTW, does anyone really believe anyone CHOOSES to be gay??
The FCC "decency" crackdown is a joke, it has already affected network TV and radio to the point that stuff that was played dozens of times a few years afo, is suddenly "too risky" to play now, because the networks are scared. They should take the PCC to court to get what "Indecency" means IN WRITING. Right now, it's what the FCC Commishioners say it is, and with the hacks like Michael Powell (who says with a straight face his dad didn't get him the FCC job) that have been in the FCC over the last few years, it's what a bunch of religious kooks think it is..
I have tended to vote republican on defense issues in the past, but it's getting harder to do with the SS stuff and the faith based nonsense, etc. I don't know why they have to shove their religiion down everyones throats. If other religions wanted to put statues of thier stuff in a courthouse, the fundies would whine about it without end. You have ot let them ALL put that stuff up, or NONE of them. None is my choice. They can read the ten comandments at home and church, they don't need it at school and in public buildings.
If China was to attack Taiwan, it would be a disaster for us computer geeks as almost everything in my home PC comes from Taiwan. I think after 55+ years, it's a separate country in every way but the declaration that it is. I think we should warn China that if they attack Taiwan, we will come to their defense militarily, and embargo as many of China's goods as is possible (At this point, I don't know how much that could be). I think it's just a matter of the right trigger to bring the Chinese Communists down, and if they attack Taiwan, that might do it.
Bush, and the republicans who worry about gay marriage and stuff really annoy me. Why the hell would I care about it, and why do they? I know several gay people, and I could care less if they get married, it's just a way to say they are together, and to make wills and child custody for a survivor a sure and not basically at the whim of a judge who doesn't like the lifestyle. BTW, does anyone really believe anyone CHOOSES to be gay??
The FCC "decency" crackdown is a joke, it has already affected network TV and radio to the point that stuff that was played dozens of times a few years afo, is suddenly "too risky" to play now, because the networks are scared. They should take the PCC to court to get what "Indecency" means IN WRITING. Right now, it's what the FCC Commishioners say it is, and with the hacks like Michael Powell (who says with a straight face his dad didn't get him the FCC job) that have been in the FCC over the last few years, it's what a bunch of religious kooks think it is..
I have tended to vote republican on defense issues in the past, but it's getting harder to do with the SS stuff and the faith based nonsense, etc. I don't know why they have to shove their religiion down everyones throats. If other religions wanted to put statues of thier stuff in a courthouse, the fundies would whine about it without end. You have ot let them ALL put that stuff up, or NONE of them. None is my choice. They can read the ten comandments at home and church, they don't need it at school and in public buildings.
umbrella39
Lifer
Of course not. It is like GWB read every line of the Wolfowitz doctrine like it was the gospel. The dollar is becoming toilet paper, our economy is in the tank, and we are stuck in wars that we will never get out of. If our goal in 2000 was to remove a popular world leader and his policies and replace them with a neoconservative, imperialistic administration hell bent on dividing Amricans into haves and have nots, then we won.
People really need to watch Hijacking Catastrophe and wake up.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Asking this quetion in this forum is like asking a bunch of Streisand fans if they like Marilyn Manson.
umbrella39
Lifer
We'll take that as a NO then :roll: This administration can't have any political success whatsoever in a state of tranquility and peace of mind. It needs war and fear to succeed. If that is the right direction, then we are all toast.
shouldnt it be "dont know, dont care"
anyway...
its very vague. but, i dont feel that this is the appropriate way to conduct things. only time will tell how things actually turn out. im not going to go so far as to say "taking it to hell."
i have to say that even when there are results of actions that i find to be positive things, i usually do not agree with the means.
anyway...
its very vague. but, i dont feel that this is the appropriate way to conduct things. only time will tell how things actually turn out. im not going to go so far as to say "taking it to hell."
i have to say that even when there are results of actions that i find to be positive things, i usually do not agree with the means.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
War and fear has been the direction of mankind throughout history and we haven't become toast yet. So excuse me if I think your pronouncement of doom and gloom is pure bunk.
Besides that, it's kind of hard to have peace and tranquility when the world around you is neither peaceful or tranquil.
umbrella39
Lifer
I repeat: This administration can't have any political success whatsoever in a state of tranquility and peace of mind. It needs war and fear to succeed.
Your statements about war being the direction throughout history is a real nice apology for Bush and is spot on for Imperialistic Regimes such as this one. Thanks for stating the obvious. I guess the force is too strong with Bush for some....
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
I repeat. There is no motherfvcking tranquility and peace in this world and there never has been.
Blah, blah, blah.
The standard retort for the RBH'rs - Accuse anyone who doesn't subscribe their pie-in-the-sky viewpoints and idealistic pretense that things should be kites and butterfiles an "apologist." Zero points for originality for you.
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