I think they should use nVidia spec, retail spec and overclocking in that review. What do you guys think?
**POLL** In your opinion is the 7800GS review in need of revision?
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agreed. however, I don't give a rip about nvidia spec, rather retail and OC potential. two big :thumbsdown::thumbsdown: for this article.
I just stated the nVidia spec because it's already there. No need in removing that. JUST ADD THE OTHERS ANANDTECH!
And what difference would that make, when there alre also dozens of oc'd gt's and gtx's you can buy from the very same vendors on the pci-e platform? It wont change the fact that unless the card drops below $250, you will be overpaying for an inferior card to what you can get on pci-e for a similar price.
Of course it should be redone. Someone looking at this card either has or is thinking about other AGP options, and only one is presented to compare with. Then there's the choice of 16x12 as the benchmark resolution. 10x7 or 12x8 would have been more appropriate to pair the games with the card.
What's going on is hinted at here:
I dunno, Derek's just flakey like that. He usually gives good tech info when he can restrain himself to "just the facts." But how he comes to opinionated conclusions and presents them is sometimes really baffling. Heck, while I'm already stepping in it, what's with the crappy mistake-infested writing? Now I'm a weak writer who makes a lot of mistakes, but at least I recognize this and do some proof-reading, but that only goes so far. It suffices though for my e-mails, forum posts and notes most of the time. However, if I were to send something out to a customer or publish it on the web in the hope that thousands would read it, I'd hand it over to anyone else first. "Look, I make MANY mistakes with every article. Each and every one. Could you please take 10 minutes to look this over and then I'll spend 5 minutes correcting it before putting it up."
Ah well, after a redo and everyone on the comments section doing the basic editing work, we might have something worthwhile in a few days.
What's going on is hinted at here:
It's like picking up a car review magazine where the article is about the new Ford Taurus, and the writer says "Let's see how it rates in top speed and acceleration against the new limited racing editions of the Corvette and Viper." Uh hello... homey? Ah we get it, because a Taurus isn't right for you, it shouldn't be right for anyone else.
I dunno, Derek's just flakey like that. He usually gives good tech info when he can restrain himself to "just the facts." But how he comes to opinionated conclusions and presents them is sometimes really baffling. Heck, while I'm already stepping in it, what's with the crappy mistake-infested writing? Now I'm a weak writer who makes a lot of mistakes, but at least I recognize this and do some proof-reading, but that only goes so far. It suffices though for my e-mails, forum posts and notes most of the time. However, if I were to send something out to a customer or publish it on the web in the hope that thousands would read it, I'd hand it over to anyone else first. "Look, I make MANY mistakes with every article. Each and every one. Could you please take 10 minutes to look this over and then I'll spend 5 minutes correcting it before putting it up."
Ah well, after a redo and everyone on the comments section doing the basic editing work, we might have something worthwhile in a few days.
Basically, that's true for any Mid to High end AGP part nowadays. Unless there's a great sale on or something.
It makes a difference if you are trying to compare AGP parts alone and not AGP and PCIe parts.
I can tell from your post, that everything that was said, was geared toward either moving to PCIe or someone who already owns it. To me (being an AGP owner) it would make alot of difference. It would show that AnandTech really wants to display the performance of an AGP part (not some watered down NV spec), and allocate some sort of respect for the "niche" market as some would say.
It is easy to see that not only has nVidia/ATi downplayed AGP, but so has that AnandTech review.
I cannot believe that anyone who has any interest in AGP parts would want this subpar review on such a respected site as AnandTech, to stay the way it is.
In closing Munky, This thread (as well as the review) have nothing to do with AGP vs PCIe. It is simply an opinion of an AGP owner about a review. As you can see, I am not alone
lol! nice analogy.
I agree with you as well as PC surgeon, being an AGP owner, I feel we are not getting enough respect... sort of feel like .. "either you take it, or leave it. You don't have a choice because you use AGP'...
I agree. Especially when it is factory over clocked from 375/1.2 to 460/1.35. That's a lot and I'm sure it could go further.
Tomshardware just posted a review on OC 7800GS.
Well, still marginally better than X850XT, except in OPENGL games.
Well, still marginally better than X850XT, except in OPENGL games.
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I can tell from your post, that everything that was said, was geared toward either moving to PCIe or someone who already owns it. To me (being an AGP owner) it would make alot of difference. It would show that AnandTech really wants to display the performance of an AGP part (not some watered down NV spec), and allocate some sort of respect for the "niche" market as some would say.
It is easy to see that not only has nVidia/ATi downplayed AGP, but so has that AnandTech review.
I cannot believe that anyone who has any interest in AGP parts would want this subpar review on such a respected site as AnandTech, to stay the way it is.
In closing Munky, This thread (as well as the review) have nothing to do with AGP vs PCIe. It is simply an opinion of an AGP owner about a review. As you can see, I am not alone
From a purely scientific view, you're right that they should have included the oc'd versions. But I dont understand how anyone would seriously consider buying an overpriced crippled card, when you're just postponing the inevitable.
If the price go below $250, then it might not be so overpriced... still crippled though.. .
Yes, postponing the inevitable.. But for those ( me included) who don't play games everyday and don't have time to change out mb, reinstall OS, update driver , etc to upgrade to PCI-E, this is the best we can do until we get a brand new system...
Let's see what the street price is(outside of B&Ms of course) before we make that call. Either way, this is one of the poorest vid card reviews I've ever seen.
I am willing to bet, whoever did that review will snob the AGP owners and not add any more benches. No matter how many of us want it. I hope he reads this and makes me eat my words!
I'm sure you are correct. Us agp owners are not wanted more.. we are now 2nd class citizens in the world of gaming..
Originally posted by: djmihow
Pci and ISA lasted longer then AGP
lol.! so true...
you forgot VESA,... the original AGP.
I think even ELSA lasted longer.... the industry is just way too fast now..
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