Poll: I'm so tired of this crap :(

[SilverBack]

"ROCKVILLE,IN ? A woman who spent nearly nine years in prison for her role in the kidnapping, torture and slaying of a 12-year-old girl is free. Twenty-four-year-old Toni Lawrence was 16 when she went to prison in 1992.
She pleaded guilty of criminal confinement in the Shanda Sharer murder.

A court convicted three other women, teenagers at the time, of the actual torture and murder. The earliest one them will be released is 2014.
Lawrence says she?s genuinely remorseful for what happened to little Shanda, but says she couldn?t do anything to stop it, because the other girls might have killed her too.
Toni Lawrence says she?s getting on with life, and wants to finish her college education.
Eyewitness News couldn?t reach the victim?s family for comment."
Story Link Here:

I live near where this happened.
You would think that when a 12 year old was screaming under torture that these "16" year old girls would have had a clue they were doing something wrong.

I feel so bad for the relatives of this girl. ( yes the girl as well ) Her parents will never get any closure to thier daughters death.
What the hell is wrong with our legal system? To take anothers life in cold blooded murder should cause the people who did it the complete and total loss of rights as anything FOREVER.
I'm sorry , but when I was 16 I knew the difference between this type of wrong.

There is a poll take it.

 

[Czar]

Yes its strange how this all works, we see a black guy shooting a white bum get sentinced to death and then trials like this one. Life is just not fair.

 

[Prodigy^]

people make mistakes.....and some people make serious mistakes......

this girl was a one-time offender, not fair to keep her locked up forever.

 

[chess9]

Apparently, she didn't do the actual killing, which makes her an accessory, or something. Eight years is probably too long for someone who didn't do the killing. Her prison sentence won't bring the child back. It's length has little meaning in the overall context of reducing crime. I'm generally opposed to long prison sentences, except for sex offenders and serious repeat offenders.

 

[SilverBack]

Prodigy

What is wrong with you?
If your sister, brother, daughter, son, mother or father were cut to shreads and killed how would you feel about it?
Would you want the people who did it to go free in a few years?
This wasn't a mistake or even a bad mistake, they took anothers life.

 

[SilverBack]

So "I just held her down, I didn't kill her" is ok then?

 

[chess9]

SilverBack:

The story doesn't say she did that. Furthermore, she was convicted of something called criminal confinement, which doesn't sound like murder to me. If she had held her while they killed her, I would have a different view.

 

[fragarific]

She should have been set free eventually. <--- Hence your poll
I hope you don't think a 16 should have no chance to ever be relaeased.

Maybe a few more would be good.

I believe that someone who does something that young should be given a chance to do something with her life. Not much chance of that though. Didn't finish high school and of course no college. She must start learning algebra now in order to do very simple jobs.

 

[SilverBack]

Criminal confinement is where the said person detains another individual against thier wishes.
While under this confinement the 12 year old was murdered.
The convicted Toni Lawrence said &quot; she couldn?t do anything to stop it&quot; , so she was aware the 12 year old was being killed.
In the state of Texas this girl would have been convicted of second degree murder, by association.
As it should be in ALL states.

 

[SilverBack]

fragarific,
Yes I do. I don't think she should ever have the opportunity. It doesn't matter at all if she was 16 or not.
She was of an age where she knew what was happening.

fragarific,
Who is going to give the 12 year old her chance at life?

 

[chess9]

SilverBack:

Texas is not my idea of a state I'd want to emulate. George Bush has presided over more capital punishments than any governor in the 20th Century. I suspect that is not a fault in your view.

 

[Viperoni]

15 years would be &quot;enough&quot;
I know some people say jail terms aren't enough, but really, there aren't too many other options...

 

[SilverBack]

The laws in Texas pre-date Bush and his father by 20 years.
But I am a believer in capital punishment.
You willing take anothers life illegally, you forfiet yours.

It's not fair to the families left behind without thier loved ones to have it any other way.

 

[Assimilator1]

Prodigy

Some 'mistakes' should NEVER be made ,this is 1 of them &amp; it is unforgiveable.
Even if it were proved that her ownlife would of been in danger IF she interevend she was still released too early.Questions beg about weather she could of escaped to tell the Police ,or did she even verbally try to stop them?

Viperoni

She only did 8yrs

 

[Prodigy^]

First of all, I still stand by my opinion.....and 8 years from you're 16 to 24 is a TOUGH punishment. Think of it, she's spent the pinnacle of her youth in jail, that's gotta be damn tough.

Seriously, look at the situation, people make mistakes, and when you're 16 years old you don't yet know how the world is put together. It sounds crazy yes, but some people regret murders and such when they're faced with the accusation, and I just don't think it's right to think that everyone should be shot for murders and crimes, no matter how tough.

The 'what if it was your family member' theory doesn't work, you gotta look at in an unbiased light. It sounds cynical, but you gotta think about the people who commit the crimes as well. Some are insane yes, and MULTIPLE offenses should be punished oh so hard, but this was a 16 year old person doing her first and, hopefully, only crime. I don't think she should have recieved life sentence or something in that area.

Edit: Yups I agree with what Red Dawn just said.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

<< Yes its strange how this all works, we see a black guy shooting a white bum get sentinced to death >>

Is there a link for this, or just your impression that's how the system works?

 

[Abomination]

OMG. How can you guys say, &quot;she only did 8 years&quot;? She was 16 years old which means at the time, she was sentenced to half of her life in prison. She didn't even kill the person and the authoritie's idea of &quot;torture and slaying&quot; is probably a lot less inhuman than you think. Also, she pleaded guilty... so wtf are you complaining about?
How many people on this forum were actually there? Well then we can't say how long she should be in prison.

I don't think any juvenile should be cast to have half their life in prison.

 

[SilverBack]

<< and 8 years from you're 16 to 24 is a TOUGH punishment. Think of it, she's spent the pinnacle of her youth in jail, that's gotta be damn tough. >>



How about a 12 year old that will never see her youth at all?

 

[SilverBack]

Abomination,


<< &quot;torture and slaying&quot; is probably a lot less inhuman than you think >>



you are a sick man.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

You can read the story here. It is really sickening Toni Lawrence got out even earlier than the earliest expectation it seems (2002). To me it sounds like Toni and Hope had plenty of opportunity to get intervention before the killing took place. They are guilty even if they did not participate in the actual killing.

 

[pdo]

I'm with Prodigy on this one. 8 years is long enough and obviously you don't believe in rehabilitation. Especially when she wasn't even convicted of murder.

 

[SSP]

I suggest you guys read the story Yo_Ma-Ma posted.

 

[Prodigy^]

First of all, if people wanna get a message through, learn how to use paragraphs. I couldn't be bothered to do anything else than read through a couple of parts of that, but I got the point.

Hmm dang...well I didn't know that they were that crazy....60 years was fair, with probation possibilities, but why the f*ck they let them go after 9 years surprises me. Sorry, I didn't know that

 

[Wah]

Silverback-
From what I've read on this post, I completely disagree with the way you've been distorting people's statements. Furthermore, contrary to what you seem to believe, people have a right to their own opinions. No, nothing is wrong with the people that disagree with you... What is wrong with you for thinking that everyone should have the same values you do?

 

[fluxquantum]

dear God..i read that link. how horrible. i am so shocked at how barbaric the crime was.