Poll: If UFC was around when Bruce Lee was in his prime - how would he do?

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yhelothar

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Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I don't believe half those quotes..
Hayward Nishioka - "Bruce had this trademark "One Inch Punch", he could send individuals (Some of whom outweighed him by over 100lbs) flying through the air where they'd crash to the ground 15 feet away. I remember getting knocked up against the wall by that punch. I didn't think it was possible that he could generate so much power in his punch, especially when he was just laying his hand against my chest, he just twitched a bit and Wham!!!, I went flying backward and bounced off a wall. I took him very seriously after that."

If someone punched you really hard, your bones would break, but you wouldn't fly back too much.
It's like if someone had a sledge hammer and whacked it sideways to your chest. Your bones would shatter rather than you flying back. The force would be absorbed by your body, rather than creating an elastic momentum.

Actually the 1-inch punch is an old martial arts strike. Bruce Lee never really fully mastered it because he was never taught it. It is a sternum kill strike if you are in a hold. Yes, it would break your bones. His 1 inch punch was not correct in how it was done, but it did show his incredible strength. It was more like a 1 inch push. Also, you will see that everytime he demonstrated this punch the person was supposed to hold something in front of him to lessen the sharpness of the blow.

Of course, maybe he perfected it later in life, but chose not to use it. If you practice the 1 inch punch, you are supposed to practice on a door or a sparring partner. The Sparring partner must hold something that will absorb the blow, like a telephone book at his sternum. I wanted to learn it myself, and in college I tried it on my doorway for a while. You get a bloody knuckle, but it does make you understand a little more how hard the blow actually is to perfect.

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First clip of Bruce Lee doing the inch blow

It might not be perfect because his stance is off from the traditional stance. He is using a ByJong stance for some reason, but you can see his 1 inch punch would still break bones if he used it fully on a person.

You will find in that same clip around the 1 mintue mark a good example of forearm exercises and sparring. At the 2:14 mark, too. The reason his fast strikes were incredible as well was because of his understand of movement in hand to hand. Because of these arm to arm techniques, people who practice it can begin to instinctually know what the other person is doing just by the slight changes in movement of just the persons forearm. Put together with incredible speed, there is practically no way of moving and hitting a person because he can feel (body listen <ting jin>) what you are about to do and react instinctually to it.

Bruce Lee Screen Test

He is asked the difference between Jiujutsu and Chinese Martial Arts at the 2:14 mark. Remind you, this is an early video clip when he was younger and hadn't perfected his body or his techiniques. You will see he doesn't use the ByJong stance, but the more traditional prone stance as well.

Bruce Lee reading a newspaper editorial about his teaching methods

Dan Inosanto JKD Expert
Bruce Lee locks and grapples shown by his favorite student

nice video, but it looks more like the one inch push than a once inch punch.
In fact, in one of the videos you show, it shows a kung fu movie where they do it, and the guy doesn't get knocked back a lot, but he gets a lot of bruises. It seems more like reality than a guy flying back 15ft.
 

vtohthree

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Bruce Lee FTW.

I wasn't going to post, but I had to. To all those who don't know, Bruce Lee was more than just a "movie star" with choregraphed fights. His whole idea and concept of fighting is being "well rounded", being disciplined in many and any aspects, not just his famous kicks and punches(which were amazingly powerful if you read up on it). Jeet Kune Do(for practical purposes I'll call it a style, even though Bruce Lee objects to "styles") is a martial art that endorses everything, taking the best of grappling, kicking, punching, chokes, holds, etc. Bruce Lee believed that there was no part of the body that could be excluded from fighting.

On top of all this, Bruce Lee was extremely fit. You can read up various sources for yourself, but pound per pound, one of the strongest(if not the strongest) man to ever live. He weighed 138lbs but could curl like 80lbs dumb bells as repetitions. One hand, thumb push ups. I have one of his books he wrote, he included his exercise routine, the man was insane, he would bike, run, and jog for miles. It was just superhuman. On top of that, just do random searches for video clips on him, I one where he was punching a heavy bag and kept it up in the air, bottomline, some lethally powerful punches, I don't even know if Mike Tyson could rival such explosive power in his PRIME.

Hence, Bruce Lee would whoop some serious A. He was more than just a movie star, he was a practioner, a fighter, and a very strong and fast individual. And for the record, no he was not a coke head, lol, it's well documented in his autopsy that he died from an allergic reaction to a prescription pain killer(long story short, he had a headache and was at a friend's house, she offered it to him rather than tylenol, etc..), as a result he died from inflammation of the brain. An unfortunate and untimely death, stuff happens.


heh, excuse the spelling and grammar(skipping of words) and fragments(like I give a crap after pulling an all nighter..), its a rush post.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: delco007
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I don't believe half those quotes..
Hayward Nishioka - "Bruce had this trademark "One Inch Punch", he could send individuals (Some of whom outweighed him by over 100lbs) flying through the air where they'd crash to the ground 15 feet away. I remember getting knocked up against the wall by that punch. I didn't think it was possible that he could generate so much power in his punch, especially when he was just laying his hand against my chest, he just twitched a bit and Wham!!!, I went flying backward and bounced off a wall. I took him very seriously after that."

If someone punched you really hard, your bones would break, but you wouldn't fly back too much.
It's like if someone had a sledge hammer and whacked it sideways to your chest. Your bones would shatter rather than you flying back. The force would be absorbed by your body, rather than creating an elastic momentum.

u can punch a guy in two ways either tht punch can be jerk action(greater impulse) or in a pushing action(lesser impulse).i have observed this from my personal experience.if Bruce would have used the 1st kind then most of the guys would have died due to shattered bones and internal organs so his punches were normally of the second kind
i hope u get my point
GKS

Kind of right, the one inch punch is supposed to be a jerk action. It was a kill strike in a grapple or enclosed space. The pushing action means it was done improperly, but Bruce Lee seems to have held back because of other videos showing him breaking big boards with his one inch punch. Of course, his method of doing the one inch punch was unconventional and was probably a reflection of how he fought.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
nice video, but it looks more like the one inch push than a once inch punch.
In fact, in one of the videos you show, it shows a kung fu movie where they do it, and the guy doesn't get knocked back a lot, but he gets a lot of bruises. It seems more like reality than a guy flying back 15ft.

The first video showed him doing the one inch punch. He broke the board, meaning it was a jerk reaction and therefore concentrated the force into one blow. His stance is very unconventional (ByJong) for a traditional One Inch Punch, but that is probably a reflection of his fighting style. Because of his strength and training, I guess this was the best stance for him doing the punch, but most normal people couldn't do that with that stance.

The other video with the person, was definitely a push, but no one in there right mind would actually do a kill strike on an actual person. I have been warned that if you practice the one inch punch with a spar partner, sometimes even having a telephone book in between can still be quite dangerous if you are efficient enough.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: vtohthree
Bruce Lee FTW.

I wasn't going to post, but I had to. To all those who don't know, Bruce Lee was more than just a "movie star" with choregraphed fights. His whole idea and concept of fighting is being "well rounded", being disciplined in many and any aspects, not just his famous kicks and punches(which were amazingly powerful if you read up on it). Jeet Kune Do(for practical purposes I'll call it a style, even though Bruce Lee objects to "styles") is a martial art that endorses everything, taking the best of grappling, kicking, punching, chokes, holds, etc. Bruce Lee believed that there was no part of the body that could be excluded from fighting.

On top of all this, Bruce Lee was extremely fit. You can read up various sources for yourself, but pound per pound, one of the strongest(if not the strongest) man to ever live. He weighed 138lbs but could curl like 80lbs dumb bells as repetitions. One hand, thumb push ups. I have one of his books he wrote, he included his exercise routine, the man was insane, he would bike, run, and jog for miles. It was just superhuman. On top of that, just do random searches for video clips on him, I one where he was punching a heavy bag and kept it up in the air, bottomline, some lethally powerful punches, I don't even know if Mike Tyson could rival such explosive power in his PRIME.

Hence, Bruce Lee would whoop some serious A. He was more than just a movie star, he was a practioner, a fighter, and a very strong and fast individual. And for the record, no he was not a coke head, lol, it's well documented in his autopsy that he died from an allergic reaction to a prescription pain killer(long story short, he had a headache and was at a friend's house, she offered it to him rather than tylenol, etc..), as a result he died from inflammation of the brain. An unfortunate and untimely death, stuff happens.


heh, excuse the spelling and grammar(skipping of words) and fragments(like I give a crap after pulling an all nighter..), its a rush post.

The whole death related incident was kept under wraps, but that is slightly right. The pain killer and reaction wasn't the one thing that killed him. He was having chronic migraines from a stripped blood vessel wall in his brain from ironically overtraining. The pain killer and the reaction from it finally ruptured that cell wall. :(
 

CalvinHobbs

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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: sourceninja
Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: sunzt
Bruce would own, why?

Bruce is trained to bite, eye-gouge, and kill a man's babies

Gracie would still be trying to shoot and perform submission holds while his eyes are gouged out.....

UFC != real fighting.

I believe the thread asked who would win in UFC

some rules of UFC:
NO
Eye gouging of any kind
Groin attacks of any kind
Small joint manipulation
Throat strikes of any kind

those rule and the ring might handicap Bruce Lee somewhat, but I don't know if Gracie could dodge Lee's strikes. Getting hit in the head by Bruce Lee is no joke.
If it's a free street fight then Bruce Lee will certainly win with a simple "nut cracker" strike


Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

You have got to be kidding. Unless the 'inferior position' is pinning both your arms and submitting you, you can easily do it. In fact, there is a Pride fighter, i can't remember his name... chubby bald guy that grabs people's nuts when he's put in a submission.


:laugh:
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: CalvinHobbs
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: sourceninja
Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: sunzt
Bruce would own, why?

Bruce is trained to bite, eye-gouge, and kill a man's babies

Gracie would still be trying to shoot and perform submission holds while his eyes are gouged out.....

UFC != real fighting.

I believe the thread asked who would win in UFC

some rules of UFC:
NO
Eye gouging of any kind
Groin attacks of any kind
Small joint manipulation
Throat strikes of any kind

those rule and the ring might handicap Bruce Lee somewhat, but I don't know if Gracie could dodge Lee's strikes. Getting hit in the head by Bruce Lee is no joke.
If it's a free street fight then Bruce Lee will certainly win with a simple "nut cracker" strike


Umm, how are you going to eye gouge or attack the nuts when you are in an inferior position? Have you ever grappled?

You have got to be kidding. Unless the 'inferior position' is pinning both your arms and submitting you, you can easily do it. In fact, there is a Pride fighter, i can't remember his name... chubby bald guy that grabs people's nuts when he's put in a submission.


:laugh:

It is true though. In a real fight with no holds bar, grappling can't work by itself for this very reason. nut grabbing, eye gouging, ear tearing, biting... are all fair game. That is why body to body grappling is very dangerous unless you have the perfect position on the person (legs wrapped on their back above the head them on the floor). Otherwise it can be very dangerous.

I think there is a clip somewhere of Bruce Lee saying that if you are in a choke hold, act on instinct and bite the person. In his books he was all about using wahtever resource was available to fight with.

Again though, even in a UFC fight Bruce Lee is too powerful and fast to let it get to the floor.
 

CalvinHobbs

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wel as someone said, even if you block his punches or kicks it'd come at a price coz that would a lot venom to take in and absorb
 

Josh

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Everyone keeps saying how Gracie would grapple him and Bruce wouldn't be able do anything. But, to grapple someone I believe you have to be close enough to grab onto their entire body - I don't think Gracie would stand a chance getting close enough to Bruce by being able to dodge ALLL the punches and kicks that Bruce could throw at him before Gracie would actually be able to grab his body. See how fast Bruce punches in the videos? He could proably hit Gracie with 7 punches and 3 kicks beforce Gracie was within his range....

Bruce Lee would whip his ass. Sorry Bruce Lee haters, he's just a nasty fighter.

Everyone is always saying he hasn't been in that many "real" fights or whatever, but he's probably more trained than any other fighter on the planet. When special Ops are sent in to do a mission for the first time - they usually come out successful, you know why? Training. Tons of training. For every situation possible. Guess what Bruce Lee did? Tons of training. So there you have it.

Bruce punching the sh!!!t outta a punching bag
 

JackBurton

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I lost track here, are we talking about Bruce Lee or Superman? I heard Bruce Lee had a special move, that he only practiced in total secrecy, which allowed him to burn a hole into his opponent's chest just by using a special look he developed. Amazing.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
I lost track here, are we talking about Bruce Lee or Superman? I heard Bruce Lee had a special move, that he only practiced in total secrecy, which allowed him to burn a hole into his opponent's chest just by using a special look he developed. Amazing.

bruce was so strong, he could tie his dick around a 5" tree, and pull his hips back to pull it out of the ground

with the root system intact.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I lost track here, are we talking about Bruce Lee or Superman? I heard Bruce Lee had a special move, that he only practiced in total secrecy, which allowed him to burn a hole into his opponent's chest just by using a special look he developed. Amazing.

bruce was so strong, he could tie his dick around a 5" tree, and pull his hips back to pull it out of the ground

with the root system intact.
You know, I heard that too. But I think it was more like a 50' tree.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I lost track here, are we talking about Bruce Lee or Superman? I heard Bruce Lee had a special move, that he only practiced in total secrecy, which allowed him to burn a hole into his opponent's chest just by using a special look he developed. Amazing.

bruce was so strong, he could tie his dick around a 5" tree, and pull his hips back to pull it out of the ground

with the root system intact.
You know, I heard that too. But I think it was more like a 50' tree.

totally a typo

my bad
 

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this thread is filled with fan boys who bought into the hype of bruce lee.

lets just be logical.

on the one hand we had royce, who we have footage of, who back in the day beat people who were bigger, fought multiple fights in one night, and owned them all with ease.

on the other hand we have someone who pretty much had 0 documented fights. street fights dont count. kimbo though he was the ****** because he beat someone in a street fight, and got destroyed by ganon who was a trained boxer, who got destroyed when he fought in ufc by some scrub.

you've gotta look at evidence and facts here. royce BEAT people. BADLY. he made them his BITCH. do you guys even know who royce is? he has an impressive fight record. bruce has none. he just has a bunch of movies. he never competed in any fighting tournaments. sparring with pads? lol. in mma, people spar full contact. no pads.

second - grappling owns striking. that is why to this day, when people who train solely in striking try to compete in ufc, they get taken down to the ground and destroyed. show me one example of some kung fu master winning in ufc. there is none.
 

delas52

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Originally posted by: fishjie
this thread is filled with fan boys who bought into the hype of bruce lee.

lets just be logical.

on the one hand we had royce, who we have footage of, who back in the day beat people who were bigger, fought multiple fights in one night, and owned them all with ease.

on the other hand we have someone who pretty much had 0 documented fights. street fights dont count. kimbo though he was the ****** because he beat someone in a street fight, and got destroyed by ganon who was a trained boxer, who got destroyed when he fought in ufc by some scrub.

you've gotta look at evidence and facts here. royce BEAT people. BADLY. he made them his BITCH. do you guys even know who royce is? he has an impressive fight record. bruce has none. he just has a bunch of movies. he never competed in any fighting tournaments. sparring with pads? lol. in mma, people spar full contact. no pads.

second - grappling owns striking. that is why to this day, when people who train solely in striking try to compete in ufc, they get taken down to the ground and destroyed. show me one example of some kung fu master winning in ufc. there is none.

Yea sure pal
 

eelw

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Yes, what a weakling Bruce Lee was. That sissy who can only move a 100+ pound heavy bag in a few punches while people twice his size can't do that. And he's slower than a tortoise. He could never catch up to other professional fighters.

Yes, us Bruce Lee fanboys may sound bad for all our praise for him, but you haters are the blind ones here. Find a single person that has a faster reaction time and pound for pound stronger than him. Until then, you're the ones that are illogical.
 

Josh

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Originally posted by: fishjie
this thread is filled with fan boys who bought into the hype of bruce lee.

lets just be logical.

on the one hand we had royce, who we have footage of, who back in the day beat people who were bigger, fought multiple fights in one night, and owned them all with ease.

on the other hand we have someone who pretty much had 0 documented fights. street fights dont count. kimbo though he was the ****** because he beat someone in a street fight, and got destroyed by ganon who was a trained boxer, who got destroyed when he fought in ufc by some scrub.

you've gotta look at evidence and facts here. royce BEAT people. BADLY. he made them his BITCH. do you guys even know who royce is? he has an impressive fight record. bruce has none. he just has a bunch of movies. he never competed in any fighting tournaments. sparring with pads? lol. in mma, people spar full contact. no pads.

second - grappling owns striking. that is why to this day, when people who train solely in striking try to compete in ufc, they get taken down to the ground and destroyed. show me one example of some kung fu master winning in ufc. there is none.

you stoopit
 

Greyd

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Originally posted by: fishjie
this thread is filled with fan boys who bought into the hype of bruce lee.

lets just be logical.

on the one hand we had royce, who we have footage of, who back in the day beat people who were bigger, fought multiple fights in one night, and owned them all with ease.

on the other hand we have someone who pretty much had 0 documented fights. street fights dont count. kimbo though he was the ****** because he beat someone in a street fight, and got destroyed by ganon who was a trained boxer, who got destroyed when he fought in ufc by some scrub.

you've gotta look at evidence and facts here. royce BEAT people. BADLY. he made them his BITCH. do you guys even know who royce is? he has an impressive fight record. bruce has none. he just has a bunch of movies. he never competed in any fighting tournaments. sparring with pads? lol. in mma, people spar full contact. no pads.

second - grappling owns striking. that is why to this day, when people who train solely in striking try to compete in ufc, they get taken down to the ground and destroyed. show me one example of some kung fu master winning in ufc. there is none.


There's a reason royce won so well in the early days of UFC. The majority of the fighters sucked and no one had any ground skills. There is a reason why the gracies don't rule anymore nowadays. People are decent fighters now and all practice ground fighting.

The Gracies showed the power of knowing how to grapple. But to say that Royce would beat Bruce is ridiculous. Royce can't beat a current skilled fighter. To compare those fighters he beat back in the days of UFC to bruce is hilarious.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: fishjie
this thread is filled with fan boys who bought into the hype of bruce lee.

lets just be logical.

on the one hand we had royce, who we have footage of, who back in the day beat people who were bigger, fought multiple fights in one night, and owned them all with ease.

on the other hand we have someone who pretty much had 0 documented fights. street fights dont count. kimbo though he was the ****** because he beat someone in a street fight, and got destroyed by ganon who was a trained boxer, who got destroyed when he fought in ufc by some scrub.

you've gotta look at evidence and facts here. royce BEAT people. BADLY. he made them his BITCH. do you guys even know who royce is? he has an impressive fight record. bruce has none. he just has a bunch of movies. he never competed in any fighting tournaments. sparring with pads? lol. in mma, people spar full contact. no pads.

second - grappling owns striking. that is why to this day, when people who train solely in striking try to compete in ufc, they get taken down to the ground and destroyed. show me one example of some kung fu master winning in ufc. there is none.

Have you ever thought the reason why there is no true kungfu master on UFC could be because they would utterly destory and finish the fight within a matter of seconds?
and i mean a real kungfu master that wouldnt see any gain from fighting on UFC.

And lets take physics into principle here. Force is dictated on mass x acceleration. True bruce doesnt have that much mass compared to submission holders but if he was to do a solid full speed punch, or any kungfu master of that sort, and palm hit the forehead with that much acceleration, your brain hits the back of your skull and compresses. This is what doctors call a concussion. It doesnt take that much force to get a concussion. Hitting your head on the floor at about 10-15 ft/sec will cause a concussion. So if a submission guy runs after bruce, and he palm hits the dude on his forehead, its GAME OVER. The guy will be on the floor drooling waiting for a strecher.

Anyhow, UFC fighters are strong i admit, but if a true martial arts master was to enter the ring, there wouldnt be much of a show. And who would honestly watch a fight that lasted 30 sec. :\

PS. Mike Tyson's Uppercut was rumored to have the same force as bruce lee's punch incase your wondering. Id like to see royce take a uppercut from mike and still stand straight.

PSS. I went to a event in korea where tae kown do grandmasters all gathered. And one of the showcase was a demo by a 9th degree grandmaster. YES there are levels above master incase your wondering. The demo he did was he stacked 6 bricks on top of each other and using speed, he was able to break the last brick and leave the top 5 intact. You may think that i am just reflecting a movie, but that is the level of grandmaster can do.



Finally: All asian martial arts except those ment for assination and stealth, were ment on the sole principle of defense and enlightenment of soul and body. It would go against all codes dictated by that martial art to go out on a publica broadcasted show based on the pure intensions of kicking this persons ass. There is NO HONOR to such an act. The only time a true grandmaster will ever lift his fist to fight is in defense or to defend the honor of his studio. And if u have a grandmaster on your ass, Good luck, only thing that will save you is a 9mm. :]
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
PS. Mike Tyson's Uppercut was rumored to have the same force as bruce lee's punch incase your wondering. Id like to see royce take a uppercut from mike and still stand straight.
Let me put an end to that rumor that only people like you would spread...It's false.

And please, quit spewing crap. It's starting to stink in here.