Originally posted by: CanOWorms
You lose (not loose).
That's another USENET no-no.
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
You lose (not loose).
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Come on canoworms, you can say the name, go ahead, don't be such a chicken. Say it, you know what it is that you want to call us.
We are all ... ?
People?
Politically outspoken?
Old?
Young?
European?
Wierd?
Strange?
Normal?
He thinks I think all Europeans are racist even though I provide figures contrary to that belief and have also said that not all are racists many times. In his view, because I provide details about the plight of minorities and immigrants in Europe, I have to believe that they're all racist. It's scary how people believe the world is so black/white or simple.
Please don't confuse them with facts.
He has called me and Europe racists and Nazis, stated that we are on the verge of getting concentration camps in europe, stated that Slovenia is a racist country.
Stated that 66% of europe is racist because we do not wish to have illegal immigrants,.
I thank you for your comment n0cmonkey.
I was just waiting for that word. you know the word, the reference is already there so i guess i could invoke Godwins law but i wanted to wait him out this time. Seems i failed.
There have been quite a few stories in the news about increasing racism in the EU. Talks of concentration camps maybe quite a bit overblown, but the facts are out there.
Godwin's law sucks. It's being applied in too many areas that it was never intended for. *sigh* Oh well, just another stupid thing intelligent people have to put up with.
Eh, no, actually, if you can provide a link to any EUROPEAN concentration camp article, i would like to read it, however, Gitmo? Abu Ghraib?
66% were for or against WHAT, do you even know? 100% of me says you do not.
Go ahead and stick your head up his butt if that makes you comfortable, as a semitic jew by heritage i am just getting a bit tired of being called a Nazi in every thread.
That is pretty much why i invoked the law, and if you are intelligent enough, you know how to avoid nazi remarks.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
There have been quite a few stories in the news about increasing racism in the EU. Talks of concentration camps maybe quite a bit overblown, but the facts are out there.
Godwin's law sucks. It's being applied in too many areas that it was never intended for. *sigh* Oh well, just another stupid thing intelligent people have to put up with.
Eh, no, actually, if you can provide a link to any EUROPEAN concentration camp article, i would like to read it, however, Gitmo? Abu Ghraib?
66% were for or against WHAT, do you even know? 100% of me says you do not.
Go ahead and stick your head up his butt if that makes you comfortable, as a semitic jew by heritage i am just getting a bit tired of being called a Nazi in every thread.
That is pretty much why i invoked the law, and if you are intelligent enough, you know how to avoid nazi remarks.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Edge3D
Thats not true, and a conspiracy theory. If you have any factual basis to this claim, I'd like to see it/read it.
/eagerly awaiting the tired Patriot Act (which was written and agreed upon by both American Dems/Republicans I might add) argument that I'm not REALLY in the mood of smacking down.
Democrats and Republicans sleep in the same bed.
How about carnivore? Or echelon?
Why is everything a CIA conspiracy to liberals? Do you guys REALLY distrust big government as much as we do? I think not.. you revel in it. Its just when its a large CONSERVATIVE ran gov't when the panties get in a bunch!
I hated the stuff going on during Clinton's reign.
Even if you WERE being watched, what the hell do you have to hide?? I have nothing to hide, they can tap my phone, check my emails all day long.. nothing will happen but their boredom.
Not the point, and totally unrelated.
Besides, I think I'd rather have a society with the incentive still there to go out and work hard, get educated and perform my best. Rather than make 50% of the population dependent on the gov't and then the other more proud half to eventually even losing their will to try hard when the next guy does just as well with no effort.
There are incentives. I don't think dependency on the government is a good thing at all. Where do you get these ideas?
Societal morality plays in here, just as morality plays within the difference in voting for a Republican or a Democrat. The difference is well illustrated here in my example.
Voting between Democrats and Republicans is a moral issue? If you say that voting for the lesser of two evils is a moral decision, I might agree with you. But barely.
I might add (to not completely ruin a old-school Democrats day), that it never used to be this way. The far left has MUCH too much of a stranglehold on the modern Democratic party.. it is a shame and the proof of that failed union is in the pudding..
conservatives, much like myself.. run this place.
And you do what again?
Thats the thing see, a nation and its society does have morality. Morality is very important in a just and free society.
Morality has nothing to do with justice. The laws determine that. And don't give me BS about laws just being the statements of morality, because taxes are neutral in the moral arena. Law is about what is best for society, not what someone thinks is "right."
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
There have been quite a few stories in the news about increasing racism in the EU. Talks of concentration camps maybe quite a bit overblown, but the facts are out there.
Godwin's law sucks. It's being applied in too many areas that it was never intended for. *sigh* Oh well, just another stupid thing intelligent people have to put up with.
Eh, no, actually, if you can provide a link to any EUROPEAN concentration camp article, i would like to read it, however, Gitmo? Abu Ghraib?
66% were for or against WHAT, do you even know? 100% of me says you do not.
Go ahead and stick your head up his butt if that makes you comfortable, as a semitic jew by heritage i am just getting a bit tired of being called a Nazi in every thread.
That is pretty much why i invoked the law, and if you are intelligent enough, you know how to avoid nazi remarks.
I don't think I've ever seriously called you a Nazi. However, I can find all sorts of colorful insults from you directed at me.
66% described themselves as racist. It's pretty simple. The question did not pertain to illegal or even legal immigration. I believe there were other questions regarding immigration in the report.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Eh, no, actually, if you can provide a link to any EUROPEAN concentration camp article, i would like to read it, however, Gitmo? Abu Ghraib?
66% were for or against WHAT, do you even know? 100% of me says you do not.
Go ahead and stick your head up his butt if that makes you comfortable,
as a semitic jew by heritage i am just getting a bit tired of being called a Nazi in every thread.
That is pretty much why i invoked the law,
and if you are intelligent enough, you know how to avoid nazi remarks.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Link?
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Eh, no, actually, if you can provide a link to any EUROPEAN concentration camp article, i would like to read it, however, Gitmo? Abu Ghraib?
Err uhh oh... Did I say that there are EU concentration camps? I said those statements were overblown.
66% were for or against WHAT, do you even know? 100% of me says you do not.
Did you read what CoW said?
Go ahead and stick your head up his butt if that makes you comfortable,
What? You talk a lot, and most of it is pure crap. You came here to pick a fight. I believe that makes you a troll, yet another thing discouraged on USENET.
as a semitic jew by heritage i am just getting a bit tired of being called a Nazi in every thread.
I did not see the word NAZI until you mentioned it. And here you are bringing race into the conversation.
That is pretty much why i invoked the law,
ooooh
and if you are intelligent enough, you know how to avoid nazi remarks.
I didn't mention them, you did. Again.
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Link?
It was available to download in PDF form from the previous thread when people asked for it (the thread where you claimed that this was a made up poll). Do a search for that thread. Like I've said numerous times, I was shocked over the results of the poll. I never expected it to be that bad.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Link?
It was available to download in PDF form from the previous thread when people asked for it (the thread where you claimed that this was a made up poll). Do a search for that thread. Like I've said numerous times, I was shocked over the results of the poll. I never expected it to be that bad.
No link? Ok i will search for it.
Originally posted by: Edge3D
If they sleep in the same bed (which I'd partially agree with), the Dems are the whiny housewife who sneaks drinks of Jack, cheats on the spouse (hey remember when Clinton gave technology to China?) and Republicans are the breadwinners, as well as the defenders.
Hmm. I think I like you. His most definitely was the "reign". At least Bush TRIED to get the UN to back up their own Resolutions.. Clintons administration was a tyrannical murder machine that caused the murders of a family at Ruby Ridge and Waco Texas unnecessarily. Not to mention the domestic terrorism his weak security policies allowed to happen.
While with Bush, you are safer under his command in a WAR in Iraq than on the streets of Chicago under a Democrat. Dont worry, I've already ran the statistics.
Actually, I think it is very related to what you said.
You said the other side of the coin was someone watching you..
I say that I'd rather have a society that did not steal the incentive to work hard and succeed from you, than have a government that MIGHT be watching me to protect me. Its not like they dont have to get a judges permission to do most of the stuff anyway.. I think in this day and age, I'll let them check out possible terrorists.
You disagree?
The idea I was portraying was that with Too much of this "liberal dependence" policy, a nation is stifled much more than the original purpose and gain that originally was intended.
Its much harder to size up, or shrink a government than to increase it.. thats why proportionally a nation needs more conservatives to be successful..
example? America. Overall, we are more conservative than liberal. Then, look at our financial, technological and social success.
Its in direct correlation.
Besides, 10 liberals whine and b**** enough to make it seem like theres 1,000 of them.
Republicans just do most of the work, be quiet and take care of whats important so the libs have a comfortable place to feed off of.
Aye. It is a lesser of two evils decision.
But I have been very happy with the Republicans since my time in this nation, my entire life. The Democrats are just not very impressive. But I certainly could have been one prior to the 1960s.
That was before they turned their back on the USA in favor of feeding a social revolution that has turned out to be quite the bust.
My 2 sense.. plus change.
I said, "much like myself". Theres very little I have been unhappy with that President Bush or his administration has done.
Its understandable why I am so hated here when politically and philosophically I am a descendent of Reagan. Those days were the beginning of the end for the confused and platformless Democratic party.
I consider the disarray within the party, along with the radio and internet media revolution to be "end times" in what is left of the Democratic party these days.
You are correct, morality has nothing to do with justice. But I reiterate, a society must have morality to be strong and survive. The moral laws of Christianity played a very big role in many modern societies.
"The Pillar of civilization"? I dont want to get into a history discussion here, but this is my view.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
I tried to explain why i invoked Godwins and why i take offence to Nazi remarks (which would be the very point of invoking Godwins law) and you took it as i was accusing you? Man, i think i will consider your posts and your faq a little less trustworthy if you seriously thought so.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Link?
It was available to download in PDF form from the previous thread when people asked for it (the thread where you claimed that this was a made up poll). Do a search for that thread. Like I've said numerous times, I was shocked over the results of the poll. I never expected it to be that bad.
No link? Ok i will search for it.
I cannot find it on racism or europe. I searched my own posts and i never replied in such a thread, you are mistaking me for someone else.
Link it?
Originally posted by: Klixxer
That poll is worthless, the questions were like asking the average american if he likes illegal immigration and labeling him a racist if he does not.
Actually, look at the front page, you can make any poll yourself and upload it, it isn't valid in any way.
Try again canoworms.
Remember, its freedom OF religon.. not freedom FROM religon. This is a common misconception. While not a "religous state", we certainly religon has played an invaluable role to our development in policy and in society.Morality plays too much on the religious side of life, but we are not a religious State.
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Link?
It was available to download in PDF form from the previous thread when people asked for it (the thread where you claimed that this was a made up poll). Do a search for that thread. Like I've said numerous times, I was shocked over the results of the poll. I never expected it to be that bad.
No link? Ok i will search for it.
I cannot find it on racism or europe. I searched my own posts and i never replied in such a thread, you are mistaking me for someone else.
Link it?
link
I distinctly remember you posting in that thread:
Originally posted by: Klixxer
That poll is worthless, the questions were like asking the average american if he likes illegal immigration and labeling him a racist if he does not.
Actually, look at the front page, you can make any poll yourself and upload it, it isn't valid in any way.
Try again canoworms.
You judged it and somehow falsely described it before you even read it.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
neither is Rabidmongoose when he said that not ALL immigrants of the US should be deported (that would mean that some should be, see, racist).
Originally posted by: Edge3D
While I got a kick out of most of your replys, agreed with a little bit of them and disagreed with most of it.. I only wish to have one lengthy conversation going at one time. So I will wait for CanOWorm's response if he graces me with one.
And no Im not intimidated, nor have I witnessed my great "smackdown" as the liberals around here like to say happens when someone values their time enough to not reply to every single person who might chime in on a given conversation.
But at points, an interesting outlook you have.. you seem to have disregard for both political parties. Which is fine by me, I think it is a pretty popular one with the younger people around my age or younger (I'm 22).. I dont know how old you are but I'm just saying.. I've noticed the middle finger being flipped to the entire system by those who feel alienated by it.
I only wish to have one lengthy conversation going at one time. So I will wait for CanOWorm's response if he graces me with one.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Sorry for the effort but my opinion is still the same, this is in no way valid.
I could design a study that would show that 99.9 % of all americans are racists, this study was not university controlled, it has not been peer reviewed and it was not done by a legitimate insitution either, and cross results were now checked.
In other words, it is indeed worthless.
Got anything else or are you calling me a hopeless racist based on just whatever you can find?
This Opinion Poll was carried out between 26 March and 29 April 1997 in the fifteen Member States at the request of the Employment, Industrial Relations and Social Affairs Directorate (DGV) of the European Commission within the framework of Eurobarometer 47.1. It involved 16,154 people. It was commissioned as part of the European Year Against Racism and coordinated by INRA (Europe). The last poll of this kind was taken in 1988. The data were analysed under the responsibility of Jeanne Ben Brika and Gérard Lemaine (Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales, Paris), and James S. Jackson (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan).
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
neither is Rabidmongoose when he said that not ALL immigrants of the US should be deported (that would mean that some should be, see, racist).
WTF are you talking about? I said that not all ILLEGAL immigrants should be deported. I've even stated that there is no big need to deport them anyways.
Originally posted by: Edge3D
While I got a kick out of most of your replys, agreed with a little bit of them and disagreed with most of it.. I only wish to have one lengthy conversation going at one time. So I will wait for CanOWorm's response if he graces me with one.
And no Im not intimidated, nor have I witnessed my great "smackdown" as the liberals around here like to say happens when someone values their time enough to not reply to every single person who might chime in on a given conversation.
But at points, an interesting outlook you have.. you seem to have disregard for both political parties. Which is fine by me, I think it is a pretty popular one with the younger people around my age or younger (I'm 22).. I dont know how old you are but I'm just saying.. I've noticed the middle finger being flipped to the entire system by those who feel alienated by it.
PS. I am not rich, nor old, nor the whitest person in white America.. but I'm still a Republican!
I can imagine the cries now, I'VE BETRAYED MY ROOTS!I believe thats what they said of Eazy-E when he donated to Reagan, and countless times has the same stereotypes been played against the American people.. just so happens most of the stereo types and the use of them is coming from the American Left..
I should add this much though..
Remember, its freedom OF religon.. not freedom FROM religon. This is a common misconception. While not a "religous state", we certainly religon has played an invaluable role to our development in policy and in society.Morality plays too much on the religious side of life, but we are not a religious State.
Originally posted by: Edge3D
No, no CanOWorms.. that reply was meant for n0cmonkey! Sorry for the confusion.
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
neither is Rabidmongoose when he said that not ALL immigrants of the US should be deported (that would mean that some should be, see, racist).
WTF are you talking about? I said that not all ILLEGAL immigrants should be deported. I've even stated that there is no big need to deport them anyways.
See, you are a racist after all. A flag waving patriot so tightly wrapped up in his own flag that he cannot see the need for the immigration, ALL of it, christ, you racists make me sick.
That is the kind of response i have gotten, did YOU like it?
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Klixxer
I tried to explain why i invoked Godwins and why i take offence to Nazi remarks (which would be the very point of invoking Godwins law) and you took it as i was accusing you? Man, i think i will consider your posts and your faq a little less trustworthy if you seriously thought so.
My FAQ?
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
neither is Rabidmongoose when he said that not ALL immigrants of the US should be deported (that would mean that some should be, see, racist).
WTF are you talking about? I said that not all ILLEGAL immigrants should be deported. I've even stated that there is no big need to deport them anyways.
See, you are a racist after all. A flag waving patriot so tightly wrapped up in his own flag that he cannot see the need for the immigration, ALL of it, christ, you racists make me sick.
That is the kind of response i have gotten, did YOU like it?
Considering that I support immigration and see no reason to deport illegal immigrants right now, I don't see how you came up with that conclusion. I guess you're just trolling now, as usual. I see that you've attacked another poster in an angry tirade again.
If you are against immigration or illegal immigration, then I wouldn't call you a racist. If you say that you're a racist or say that it's OK to hate based on race, then you're a racist.
