POLL: How will our ground troops do against N. Korea?

[iGas]

It is almost impossible for invading force to win a ground war unless it is a back water country like Granada.

1. Invading troops would ask them self why they are there, and are they mercenaries or army of peace?
2. Friends & foes all look the same, therefore it is hard to differentiates between them.
3. Invading troops are foreigners and isn't someone that the local can relates to.

And, as said in my previous post China is not going to stand by and let a western power set up camp in their back yard.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

The well armed Nazi collapsed when they face a much larger Russian peasant force with obsolete equipment and crazy leader.

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

The well armed Nazi collapsed when they face a much larger Russian peasant force with obsolete equipment and crazy leader.

That was 70 years ago. One can hardly compare the military disadvantage of SK vs NK to Nazis vs Russia. It is too different.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

yeah those nukes are so yesterday.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

The well armed Nazi collapsed when they face a much larger Russian peasant force with obsolete equipment and crazy leader.

The Germans found out that quantity has a quality all it's own....that and Russian winters suck.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

The well armed Nazi collapsed when they face a much larger Russian peasant force with obsolete equipment and crazy leader.

The Germans found out that quantity has a quality all it's own....that and Russian winters suck.

It is exactly the trash talk that the S. Vietnamese said in the 70s till the American pull out, then S. Vietnam collapsed shortly after the last chopper that left the US embassy.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: amdhunter
I wonder how well our troops would do against an enemy that can manage to fight back for once, and not just be easy shots like the Iraqi people are.

I doubt the North Koreans will be throwing bottle rockets, or using cheap land mines to take out their targets. North Korea will be bringing out the big guns, and their elite fighting ninja skills onto the playing field, and give our troops a real good run for the money.

In the end, I believe our troops will pull it off, but only because of air support, and high end missle technologies. There's no way for them to win without it.

What does ATOT think?

The U.S. could win without firing a shot - we'd just bomb them with food, and the war would be over. Last time I visited the DMZ, the Nork on the other side looked like he would kill his own family for my Chicken a-la King MRE (and everyone who's old enough to have eaten one can tell you how nasty those are). And these were the border troops (the best fed folks in the army), and before the famines really kicked in in the last decade or so.

I like this man's thinking. This should have been the approach in the Middle East. Send in some billions of tons of halal MRE and you win.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

The well armed Nazi collapsed when they face a much larger Russian peasant force with obsolete equipment and crazy leader.

Obsolete equipment? The Soviets were well equipped, and in many ways had a technological and industrial edge over Germany. The Germans weren't prepared for the onslaught of superior Soviet armor in greater numbers than what Germany had, and iirc the Soviet airforce may have been superior as well.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

The well armed Nazi collapsed when they face a much larger Russian peasant force with obsolete equipment and crazy leader.

Not nearly that simple. While the Germans were fighting the Russians we were facing their best units on the Western front and destroying their manufacturing capabilities. The Germans made some tactical errors that drew them into situations where they had no hope, but for the most part the outmanned Germans were absolutely dominating the Eastern Front. In a single front war they probably could have defeated Russia.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

yeah those nukes are so yesterday.

What nukes does North Korea have? How will they dilever them?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

The well armed Nazi collapsed when they face a much larger Russian peasant force with obsolete equipment and crazy leader.

The Germans found out that quantity has a quality all it's own....that and Russian winters suck.

It is exactly the trash talk that the S. Vietnamese said in the 70s till the American pull out, then S. Vietnam collapsed shortly after the last chopper that left the US embassy.

It helped that Hitler was as crazy as Stalin and directed overall strategy (a lucky break for the Russians).

If recent wars have proven anything is that the size of your army in conventional battle is no longer much protection due to massive leaps forward in weapons technology among 1st world nations.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

The NK troops are certainly better trained than the Iraqis, but they still don't have the technological and logistical superiority that we do. In a strung-out war, their production capacity (in both food and materials) couldn't keep up with ours without outside help (ie, Russia; which is possible).

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
No need to worry about how U.S. soldiers will do against North Korea, South Korea can win on its own. The U.S. should stay out so that China stays out.

A technologically sophisticated, well-armed, well-supported, and well-trained military vs a 1 million man 3rd world army of starving peasants, obsolete equipment, and a crazy leader.

The well armed Nazi collapsed when they face a much larger Russian peasant force with obsolete equipment and crazy leader.

Obsolete equipment? The Soviets were well equipped, and in many ways had a technological and industrial edge over Germany. The Germans weren't prepared for the onslaught of superior Soviet armor in greater numbers than what Germany had, and iirc the Soviet airforce may have been superior as well.

Not for the first couple years.

When the Russians finally could put out some decent guns/tanks/planes in massive quantity the Germans really felt the pain from their much larger foe.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: deftron
US hasn't won a major ground war since... umm WWII ?

So yeah, odds aren't in our favor

Ground War??? Why on earth would the US resort to ground war. There is enough arsenals nearby to turn the Billion Man Army into ferteliser.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: deftron
US hasn't won a major ground war since... umm WWII ?

So yeah, odds aren't in our favor

Ground War??? Why on earth would the US resort to ground war. There is enough arsenals nearby to turn the Billion Man Army into ferteliser.

war isn't war without ground troops. It's just destruction.
Destruction has a purpose, but war is more often political. Involved with the politics of war is the need to hold territory. You can't do that from above. As much as we have air supremacy and advanced technology/weaponry, nothing real will be accomplished without troops to hold ground once it's been blasted to hell, and to go in and take territory that cannot be blasted to hell.
War is a logistical chess game, to boil it down. Transpo, resupply, security, and demand territory control. And that also gives a chance to perform psychological warfare on the ground, as dropping leaflets doesn't always do the trick.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: deftron
US hasn't won a major ground war since... umm WWII ?

So yeah, odds aren't in our favor

Ground War??? Why on earth would the US resort to ground war. There is enough arsenals nearby to turn the Billion Man Army into ferteliser.

war isn't war without ground troops. It's just destruction.
Destruction has a purpose, but war is more often political. Involved with the politics of war is the need to hold territory. You can't do that from above. As much as we have air supremacy and advanced technology/weaponry, nothing real will be accomplished without troops to hold ground once it's been blasted to hell, and to go in and take territory that cannot be blasted to hell.
War is a logistical chess game, to boil it down. Transpo, resupply, security, and demand territory control. And that also gives a chance to perform psychological warfare on the ground, as dropping leaflets doesn't always do the trick.

THE NK /SK conflict will come when NK has no other options. Which translate to a last ditch effort which probably means all out assault. Their fearless leader is probably going to be directing every move as opposed to listening to his strategists. Think Stalin//Hitler type control over the army.

Just lay down a corridor of fire. SK troops will hold the line.

 

[JS80]

If there was a war with NK you will end up in stalemate again due to the lack of political willpower these days. In order to defeat NK you have to kill a majority of North Koreans, who worship KJI and KIS as gods and will be told to fight to their death. Of course SK would not agree to this strategy - their main goal is for reunification not only with the territory but with their blood bretheren. If there was a war you'd just have a few territory gains, and a million man insurgency with half of Seoul in rubble.

The only hope of saving NK is change from within. We need a capitalist dictator (I would be a good candidate) that reverses all the propaganda instilled in the last 50 years, and who will liberalize the economy. And after that point it will probably take another generation until true unification is politically possible. And knowing us crazy Koreans, I would speculate that if the people of NK were shown that the last 50 years was a complete lie and their dear leaders were no gods, there would be mass suicides across the country.