POLL: How will our ground troops do against N. Korea?

[dbk]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
they will stop at the first ramen stand, have the first real meal in years and lay down their weapons

:laugh:

 

[mugs]

Our military would be pretty much unstoppable against the North Koreans in conventional warfare. It's the guerrilla warfare that slows us down.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ja1484

Ground troops? We still use those?

No war can be fought without ground troops. Unless, of course, you're going for destruction, and that's it.

War is typically a territory game. Cannot hold territory without ground troops. They are the ones who go in once an area has been shelled to rubble to clear it out of remaining enemy, and hold that ground and establish new positions. This then becomes a stronghold, which is used for resupply and troops maneuver from there toward new territory. Every true war is like that, at least wars with States. Wars with non-State actors are tough, and that is where we failed in the beginning of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. We learned, we developed new methods, and things have been turning around since that point. But it'll be tough to completely kill the insurgent effort, because it's not a real entity with a physical location. At least, not until those of Islamic faith can fight back against the weak who are using different interpretations.

And this whole thing with North Korea? We have different styles now that are capable of, in theory, quickly bending to the situation on the ground.

A State-based military, would struggle against the US, if they were alone in the effort. War with state-based military is every much a logistical chess game as it is a story of bloodshed.

The technology we have now would thoroughly provide supremacy on the ground from the air, at least for the most part. It would be up to ground efforts to make use of that in an on-demand fashion.

You just typed way too much for no reason.

Seriously, I thought we just use the air force now to win wars.

Do you now know that that is not the case?
Then my post would have not been typed for no reason.

 

[Whitecloak]

NK will win.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
iraq was not an easy shot. atleast gulf 1 wasn't. they had one of the largest land armies around. yes by gulf 2 they were pretty battered, but during gulf 1 they had tanks and all that nice stuff. largest tank battle in decades. sadly was not filmed.

The Battle of 73 Easting may have been large in numbers, but was a pathetic battle for Iraq as the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment (and attached forces, don't feel like looking those up right now, oh and UK forces were there) absolutely destroyed the ING, even when they were vastly outnumbered.

Yet another point for capable commanders and more advanced weaponry over massive numbers. Key with that though still stands with capable commanders.

 

[QurazyQuisp]

One of the problems with China joining the NK front is the amount of food they import from all around the world. Especially the US. (They buy a butt ton of grain from us, and would like more if we allowed it) Almost all the food would disappear and China would approach famine conditions much quicker than it already is. The US can deal without electronics, and even begin to build them here again. But China being unable to feed it's one billion people would quickly deteriorate.

The US holds much of the most important resources in the coming years... Fresh Water and the ability to grow plenty of food.

 

[Rage187]

we will use tactical nukes. you won't have to worry about a ground war.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
They'd do as well as the politicians let them do. We'd easily kick ass on both the NKs and whatever China sends to help. The reason we struggled in the 50s was that Truman was a little girly-man and wouldn't allow the military to do what was necessary to win. That war would have been over in 16 months if the US leadership had shown some guts. It wouldn't be any different this time around. The military would win easily and Obama wouldn't let them.

Unless im mistaken, MacArthur asked Truman for permission to nuke all of NK...

 

[thecrecarc]

Saying we need China as much as China needs us is a bit of an overstatement. Admittedly, there will be a hit, and it will be felt in the USA. Prices will also go up. However, we always do have other sources. Taiwan, Indonesia, Vietnam, Mexico, etc. imports from them will go through the roof, that combined with massive mobilization of our currently dead in the water industry, I think we would manage much better than China would without our food and money. A similar situation is when in the Civil War the South assumed the UK would be forced to help them because of their dependence on Southern Cotton. What they didn't expect is for the UK to adapt and find another sources. The same thing will happen with the US.

 

[KLin]

Just take out Kim Jong Il.

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: KLin
Just take out Kim Jong Il.

Then someone that is actually competent might take his place. Not good.

 

[Orignal Earl]

It really is true that America has its own version of every conflict that really doesn't fit into reality

There is so much crap in this thread I don't even want to get started but I guess I might as well go ahead and open the Canadian Inferiority Complex syndrome door

First off within the first couple of days of a war against NK, Seoul is gone from 500,000 artillery shells every hour, and any troops on the border are also erased.

But onto the Canada shit

Originally posted by: Casawi
You can't really compare a US soldier to an Iraqi. it's like comparing an African country to Canada... I don't know if that makes sense.

Just like in Afghanistan ( where Canadians are fighting and dieing to protect America from the Taliban), Canada is always given some of the hardest regions to defend and to take. Canada kicked ass in the Korean War and if called on again to help defend American interests no doubt would step up , only to be forgotten and made fun of by America's spoiled generations.
Sad that
What was it Clinton said the other day while him and Bush were visiting "America has never had a better ally or partner"
On Monday we will witness the end of the * the worlds longest and free border* as the new laws put in place to protect Americans from a man hiding in a cave go into effect
People used to be proud of that, but nowadays, you gotta do what you can to keep the spineless happy under their beds

edit- I just can't let this one go
on second thought I will let that one go

 

[SilentZero]

The past is the past, but with today's army it wouldn't be much of a fight. Sure they have over a million active duty troops, 8k special operations soldiers, and 5 million reserves. But their ground equipment is old and out-dated, and they have a horrid navy and air force.

A few weeks of bombing from sea and air will soften them up considerably, and put a massive dent in both their ground forces and obliterate their command and control structure. The biggest loss will come initially, but once the US responds (within 24 hours), the war would take a drastic turn.

The bottom line is this: Even with a million ground troops, if they are not supported and equipped well, they will still be slaughtered if facing a force that is equally trained, substantially smaller, but has the latest technology and battlefield equipment.

And to all you people comparing this to Iraq and Afganistan...it's not. This would be a conventional war (possibly unconventional if they use chemical/nuclear weapons), not an insurgency!

 

[theflyingpig]

As usual, our weak minded politicians will emasculate our troops. This is a direct result of the weakness that has spread like a disease throughout our society. The US is currently unfit to fight a nation like North Korea. Their will to fight is greater than ours, and they have the military might to back it up. We will lose hundreds of thousands of troops simply because of this. As of now, any nation can defeat us. Many of the citizens of this country are simply too foolish to understand how weak they have become.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
As usual, our weak minded politicians will emasculate our troops. .

Like when they wouldn't let MacArthur use the bomb like he wanted too the first time?
I wonder what the world would be like if he got his way

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
As usual, our weak minded politicians will emasculate our troops. .

Like when they wouldn't let MacArthur use the bomb like he wanted too the first time?
I wonder what the world would be like if he got his way

A whole lot more charred, and a lot less living. I do not doubt MacArthur's military skill, however I doubt he realized the political ramifications of nuking. As it was, both the USSR and USA wanted to avoid any sort of nuclear confrontation. However, if the USA "broke" the nuke stalemate so to speak, I am confident the USSR would not have hesitated to use their own for their own purposes. Even if the USSR did not wage war on the USA, which remained a possibility if we used nukes, they could easily have won Afghanistan, expanded their geo-political sphere, and potentially have not collapsed like it did in this alternate time line. I am afraid "nuke-em all" is only an effective strategy in fiction.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
As usual, our weak minded politicians will emasculate our troops. .

Like when they wouldn't let MacArthur use the bomb like he wanted too the first time?
I wonder what the world would be like if he got his way

A better place. This fact should be obvious to everyone, even a fool.

 

[zoiks]

Probably will be a lot harder than the US going after India.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig


A better place. This fact should be obvious to everyone, even a fool.

You got me stumped pig, I know your up to something,I just can't put my finger on it
I try to read in between the lines, I try reversing everything you say and still can't figure it out
Anyways keep it up, you are entertaining at least

edit- Something to do with * When pigs fly?*

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
If American troops cross the 38th parallel...Red Chinese troops will once again come to the aid of the North Koreans...in spite of our financial ties.

IF that happens, things will get fugly very quickly...and I believe the draft will once again be reinstated.

You are stuck in the 1950's and '60's. Not surprising since that was when the 'glory days' of socialism reared its ugly head.

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'm not worried about us finding new markets to sew our shirts and make our toothbrushes. What happens to the US's leading role in technology when Quanta/Compal/Wistron Chinese factories stop shipments to the US?

Again, I think most people here grossly underestimate how much China's manufacturing base directly/indirectly affects trillions of dollars in American commerce. Nobody wins if we go to war with China. That's why it's not going to happen, period.

Sort of wrong--the Confederate government in the civil war believed France and Britain would inevitably come to their aid because they believed Britain and France needed their cotton too much.

When Southern production seemed to be halting, Britain and France got their cotton at lower prices from Egypt.

Moral: a free market is run by rational expectationists, people who can predict certain events based on their information and act accordingly. If China were to go to war, sure U.S. company production might take an initial blow, but would ultimately balance out somewhere else (i.e. India, African nations, etc.).

It is in China's best interests to avoid war with the United States.

However, war with China is extremely unlikely simply because of our military might and our deterrence we pose.

If we have a continual line of weak presidents like Carter, and how Obama is turning out to be, then China and Russia will have no doubts about ignoring us, and even toppling us.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ


They may put up a better fight than the Iraqis, but I don't think you understand just how much larger our military is than theirs. Troops are soft, it's the machines that do the work. And we have a huge advantage there.

They have around 1.2 million active troops, and a reserve force close to 8 million. They could roll over half of South Korea in a day.

 

[rasczak]

**builds rocket to mars** f off idiots! imma go make my own world and nuke you all from it!

 

[darkxshade]

If the US and China goes to war... everybody will lose... forget the ramifications.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
As usual, our weak minded politicians will emasculate our troops. This is a direct result of the weakness that has spread like a disease throughout our society. The US is currently unfit to fight a nation like North Korea. Their will to fight is greater than ours, and they have the military might to back it up. We will lose hundreds of thousands of troops simply because of this. As of now, any nation can defeat us. Many of the citizens of this country are simply too foolish to understand how weak they have become.

Your defeatist attitude sickens me.

:thumbsdown:

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
It really is true that America has its own version of every conflict that really doesn't fit into reality

There is so much crap in this thread I don't even want to get started but I guess I might as well go ahead and open the Canadian Inferiority Complex syndrome door

First off within the first couple of days of a war against NK, Seoul is gone from 500,000 artillery shells every hour, and any troops on the border are also erased.

But onto the Canada shit

Originally posted by: Casawi
You can't really compare a US soldier to an Iraqi. it's like comparing an African country to Canada... I don't know if that makes sense.

Just like in Afghanistan ( where Canadians are fighting and dieing to protect America from the Taliban), Canada is always given some of the hardest regions to defend and to take. Canada kicked ass in the Korean War and if called on again to help defend American interests no doubt would step up , only to be forgotten and made fun of by America's spoiled generations.
Sad that
What was it Clinton said the other day while him and Bush were visiting "America has never had a better ally or partner"
On Monday we will witness the end of the * the worlds longest and free border* as the new laws put in place to protect Americans from a man hiding in a cave go into effect
People used to be proud of that, but nowadays, you gotta do what you can to keep the spineless happy under their beds

edit- I just can't let this one go
on second thought I will let that one go

Fortunately, a superior air force ensures that any artillery emplacements will be destroyed.

On the other hand, I think you take the internet too seriously