Poll:How many of you are with the "always online" policy for D3 and how many against?

[Ferzerp]

So why isn't Diablo 3 an MMO?

Also - ToR is completely soloable? (ALL content???)

I'm just saying that the definition of MMO that many are using would show that a game such as Guild Wars is not an MMO, since it is entirely soloable and instanced and theoretically could have had an offline mode.

Get to inferno and claim that D3 is soloable "ALL content???".

 

[gothamhunter]

Get to inferno and claim that D3 is soloable "ALL content???".

People have

 

[Ferzerp]

People have

And they've stated not working as intended.

 

[Aikouka]

That is a really inappropriate analogy. That's like saying that I breath oxygen. Therefore anything that breaths oxygen is Human, or Human lite. Being on a server is not what makes it an MMO. Case in point, Diablo 3. And if that is your sole criteria, then I don't see any valid reason to continue this discussion.

God damnit... fine! If you don't like the term "MMO Lite" then how about you come up with a concise term to call Diablo III's client-to-server implementation that aptly distinguishes it from online DRM implementations like the one that Ubisoft uses in Anno 2070.

Until then, just drop it. You are purposely being obstinate and confrontational over the most menial of details.

Again you completely miss the point. Yes, I am impacted. and more significantly than am I able to use the auction house (which by the way is an option, not a requirement to play and complete the game).

So, now you're classifying your own satisfaction while playing the game over mine? My, that's rather selfish of you! :biggrin:

 

[mingsoup]

I don't care what the pluses. are. I am against it. I effectively rented a game for 60$.

 

[thespyder]

God damnit... fine! If you don't like the term "MMO Lite" then how about you come up with a concise term to call Diablo III's client-to-server implementation that aptly distinguishes it from online DRM implementations like the one that Ubisoft uses in Anno 2070.

Until then, just drop it. You are purposely being obstinate and confrontational over the most menial of details.

I am classifying it as an unnecessary and poor design choice. D2 did without it just fine. NWN2 did without it and did just fine.

And only you want to compare it to the Ubisoft implementation. I never mentioned it and I didn't play Anno 2070, so I am not sure what that implementation is, or how it is relevant to the discussion.

So, now you're classifying your own satisfaction while playing the game over mine? My, that's rather selfish of you! :biggrin:

It's selfish of me to want a solution that benefits EVERYONE. And it is not selfish of you to want a solution that only benefits some? Interesting.

 

[DAGTA]

MMORPG - Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

Diablo 3 is an ARPG. It is online. But is it massively multiplayer? I don't consider 4 people in a game to be massively multiplayer. I played 8 to 16 player games of Unreal Tournament and those weren't considered massively multiplayer.

Now consider the Auction House... that would probably qualify as massively multiplayer as you may be interacting in auctions with hundreds of thousands of other players. Maybe even millions.

So, perhaps Diablo 3 is an online game with a few MMO aspects.

 

[fstime]

You people fight against anti-piracy and promote "freedom" on the internet to allow websites like The Pirate Bay to exist THEN dare complain companies are sick of losing money to illegal distribution of content.

I favor it if it keeps piracy down. Forget all these angry nerds who throw fits because the server is overloaded on midnight launch or has a few hiccups, most of us are adults, not pissy little brats that shit all over the D3 forums.

 

[I4AT]

Maybe I just wasn't very good, but I found Guild Wars (especially the original release) to be not at all solo friendly. You had to have specialized builds to farm certain areas solo, you definitely couldn't run the entire game with any one class/build like you can in Diablo. Also, the game is designed with certain amounts of latency in mind, Guild Wars plays like your typical point, click, wait until the monster dies MMO (even though it wasn't a true MMO). There's no stutter stepping or kiting going on in that game. There would be no noticeable advantage to playing Guild Wars offline, and frankly I don't think anyone could finish the entire game alone, whereas playing Diablo without any lag is a significant improvement because it's a fast paced action game.

The difference between the two is one game was designed from the ground up as an online only title, and it didn't have two previous releases that were online enabled rather than online required. Guild Wars gets easier as you party up, Diablo has always had the difficulty scale up when more players join because it's single player friendly. Guild Wars requires the heavier social interaction side that most MMO's need to survive and draw in their larger playerbases, because frankly the gameplay itself just isn't very good compared to more action centric games like Diablo. Online play in Diablo facilitates the looting and gearing aspect of the game, online play in Guild Wars and most other MMO's is more about community building, hence the names "Guild" Wars and "World" of Warcraft.

If anyone here claims to have beaten the entire campaign of Guild Wars with a single character using only henchmen/heroes I'd like to see proof.

 

[surfsatwerk]

You people fight against anti-piracy and promote "freedom" on the internet to allow websites like The Pirate Bay to exist THEN dare complain companies are sick of losing money to illegal distribution of content.

I favor it if it keeps piracy down. Forget all these angry nerds who throw fits because the server is overloaded on midnight launch or has a few hiccups, most of us are adults, not pissy little brats that shit all over the D3 forums.

Assumptions... you're an ass.

 

[gothamhunter]

I don't care what the pluses. are. I am against it. I effectively rented a game for 60$.

Any game you "buy" is just rented. You never own anything...

 

[mmntech]

I'm against it. It's far too intrusive and I refuse to purchase any game that has it. The servers do go down, often, and you can't play what you legally paid for. A fantastic example was Bionic Commando on the PS3. Capcom went with always on for a console game no less. When PSN got hacked last year and went down for a month, nobody could play the game. Then there's the Diablo III errors, the numerous problems with Ubisoft's servers. Not to mention the anonymous stats they collect. Just too much control over your playing experience as a paying customer. Offline play should always be an option for single player and local multiplayer.

As a principle, I will not buy, borrow, promote, or pirate a game that features this system of DRM. That's the only way to get rid of it. It's why I haven't bought Diablo III and it's why I won't buy SimCity (5). I love SimCity but I don't want EA snooping on me.

 

[fstime]

Assumptions... you're an ass.

Oh sorry, did I offend you boy? Sorry to tell you, as long as piracy exists, companies will do whatever it takes to fight it. Don't go after these companies, go after illegal activity.

 

[RPD]

this.

It boggles my mind that so many don't understand the central kernel of this issue.

Then again, this is a generation of kids that are perfectly willing to sacrifice their privacy for a pittance, so who knows what else they are willing to do.

Does this mean we are old guys? Everyone arguing FOR the online DRM is missing the big picture just because "OMG THE LOOTZ".

 

[thejunglegod]

Forget all these angry nerds who throw fits because the server is overloaded on midnight launch or has a few hiccups, most of us are adults, not pissy little brats that shit all over the D3 forums.

Uhh? I'm an adult and i find only a few hours to unwind with D3 after i get home from work and to see that "server is undergoing maintenance" flashing on the screen is the worst feeling.

 

[kami]

It doesn't bother me. I don't make a habit of disconnecting my Internet when I play a game.

Yes with diablo there was some launch hiccups but that was expected for such a popular game.

It also wouldn't bother me if there was an offline mode, but I would not use it. I like having the characters stored on the server plus any offline mode would not be able to use the auction house, even the gold one, as it it would be an utter mess of hacks, save editors, and trainers like offline D2 was.

 

[n7]

I have pretty reliable good internet connection, and i am 100% against horrible DRM like this.

I did sadly gave Blizzard money, but that does not mean i consider such vile DRM acceptable.

 

[masterxfob]

i have a decent internet connection most of the time so it doesn't really bother me. however, it doesn't seem fair that some would be unable to play the game due to a shitty connection. it would have been nice if blizzard took the high road on this one such as the developers of TL.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Oh sorry, did I offend you boy? Sorry to tell you, as long as piracy exists, companies will do whatever it takes to fight it. Don't go after these companies, go after illegal activity.

So because I'm black you refer to me as "boy"? So is there a correlation between your racism and piracy?

 

[shortylickens]

I am perfectly OK with the always on connection.

What's the big deal.

My internet drops maybe twice a year.

If their servers go down, that's alright too, since I can go do something else for a whole day, OMG.. a whole day without diablo.. think of the possibilities, maybe one can even be productive.. LOL

THEIR internet drops 10 times a day. Thats the fucking problem. While the hell would I pay 60 bucks for a game I cant use when I want?

 

[Ferzerp]

Does this mean we are old guys? Everyone arguing FOR the online DRM is missing the big picture just because "OMG THE LOOTZ".

They're free to make their product anyway they see fit. You're free to not buy it. Personally, I much prefer a client-server app to a stupid system that installs various always resident bits on my pc that are interacting with *everything* I do on my PC.

I don't buy anything with Tages, Securom, Gameshield, etc. If blizzard wants D3 to be a client/server app (and those of you who can't tell the difference between what ubisoft does, and a client/server app, well, sorry), that's their business.

 

[DrunkenSano]

You must've had a very unlucky experience, from launch day, I've had experienced two downtimes with Blizzard. Both 30 minutes to under an hour. This includes launch day and I was able to play with no problem after getting home from work.

 

[shortylickens]

I havent bought it.
Doesn't mean my opinion on their actions is valueless.

 

[-Slacker-]

Oh sorry, did I offend you boy? Sorry to tell you, as long as piracy exists, companies will do whatever it takes to fight it. Don't go after these companies, go after illegal activity.

He called you an ASSSSSSShole because you assumed for no reason that we support piracy which, yes, is very offensive.

 

[titan131]

So because I'm black you refer to me as "boy"? So is there a correlation between your racism and piracy?

Even if he did know you were black, what the heck does being called 'boy' have to do with being black?