Poll: How do you feel about "The other side"?

[werepossum]

Where is the flip of the last poll option - Only "progressive" Democrats are harming the country, everyone else is pretty much fine by me.

Dang! I already voted!

 

[Zebo]

I have no side. Some Republican ideas I favor some Democrat ideas I favor. I believe both are well meaning though even though totally free market like in Gilded age didn't work and socialism doesn't work both have merit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's hard to answer this question because I don't think that willfully ignorant ideologues is what was meant by "the other side".

 

[Cogman]

It's hard to answer this question because I don't think that willfully ignorant ideologues is what was meant by "the other side".

It isn't hard for you then, you believe either option #3 or #4. Since you think they are willfully ignorant you believe that they aren't well intentioned (Well intentioned people aren't willfully ignorant)

 

[Cogman]

I have no side. Some Republican ideas I favor some Democrat ideas I favor. I believe both are well meaning though even though totally free market like in Gilded age didn't work and socialism doesn't work both have merit.

You have a side, it just doesn't happen to be represented by completely by either republicans or democrats.

What do you say about the republicans/democrats that you completely disagree with? Are they well intentioned or not well intentioned?

 

[Cogman]

Where is the flip of the last poll option - Only "progressive" Democrats are harming the country, everyone else is pretty much fine by me.

lol, I only put that option because I thought it would be funny to see only Craig vote for it. Low and behold, we have 2 progressive zealots on the forum.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Need an option for 'there are no sides'. Both 'sides' as they're commonly referred to are equally screwed up, and neither is working for the benefit of the nation.

 

[Craig234]

lol, I only put that option because I thought it would be funny to see only Craig vote for it. Low and behold, we have 2 progressive zealots on the forum.

It's gone up.

It is a lesson how clueless many are, while they say they want 'honest government', they don't vote for it.

 

[MotF Bane]

It's gone up.

It is a lesson how clueless many are, while they say they want 'honest government', they don't vote for it.

It is sad indeed that people don't vote for an honest government, and instead vote for shit like the R's and D's, including their neoconservative and progressive brethren.

 

[palehorse]

Where is the "only close-minded, elitist, partisan fucktards ever pick a side and stay there without budging" option?

I can't vote until you add that one.

 

[Cogman]

Where is the "only close-minded, elitist, partisan fucktards ever pick a side and stay there without budging" option?

I can't vote until you add that one.

Read the OP, a side in this post is non-traditional. Anyone that disagrees with you on most major points is on the other side. Do you ever disagree with anyone?

 

[dmcowen674]

It is sad indeed that people don't vote for an honest government, and instead vote for shit like the R's and D's, including their neoconservative and progressive brethren.

You realize in most states you do not have a choice?

In Illinois for example you must pick either Republican or Democrat.

 

[Zebo]

You have a side, it just doesn't happen to be represented by completely by either republicans or democrats.

What do you say about the republicans/democrats that you completely disagree with? Are they well intentioned or not well intentioned?

For example you mean?

Well lets take some bedrock issues of each party.

Democrats believe in a strong public education sector. I'm not sure this is the way to go and prefer a voucher type system. Mainly because it limits choices for students and puts them in sometimes under-performing schools. I would like to see competition introduced into education and more freedom by parents and students. vouchers would achieve this- instead of just wealthy being able to have choices, everyone would. At the same time I understand Democrats need for strangle hold. They don't want last remaining public schools filled with those students private schools are free to reject. They also have an interest in relatively high paid/pensioned tenured faculty voting for them to keep broken system in place.

Republicans believe in no redistribution as if their wealth is made in a vacuum independent of the civil society and tax money it takes to make it thus. Not to mention wealth has a way of coalescing overtime until you have a society with fabulous wealth on the one hand and misery and destitution on the other. At the same time I understand Republican view too that by giving handouts we may be promoting moral hazards and deadbeats and that adversity makes you/society stronger. Have to find right balance IMO.

Both are well intentioned. I tend not to buy labels like Dems are commies who want to indoctrinate school kids with socialism. Or that Republicans are evil pigs who want to starve your children.

 

[Zebo]

You realize in most states you do not have a choice?

In Illinois for example you must pick either Republican or Democrat.

Two sides of same coin...most of you are realizing that about now. Best thing to do is never put hope in politician and make your own moves.

 

[daishi5]

I think the only answer is that they have good intentions, and sometimes they can be right. I have switched sides or abandoned my position on issues before.

 

[Mursilis]

It's gone up.

It is a lesson how clueless many are, while they say they want 'honest government', they don't vote for it.

People say they want honest gov't, but they surely don't mean it. An honest gov't would say taxes are going to have to go up and spending is going to have to be cut so we can eventually fix our current suicidal fiscal policy, but no one wants to hear that. They just want to know what freebies the gov't can offer this year. We want likeable liars.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

it's gone up.

It is a lesson how clueless many are, while they say they want 'honest government', they don't vote for it.

qft

 

[Jaskalas]

It's gone up.

It is a lesson how clueless many are, while they say they want 'honest government', they don't vote for it.

I take it you joined me in voting against Barrack Obama in 08? Cause you wouldn't be here saying one thing and doing another would you?!

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I vote for deaf panels

 

[nageov3t]

I think of myself as a centrist (liberal on most social/domestic issues, hawkish on foreign policy)... both sides have their extremes and I think they're all coming with good intentions (from their POV) and often have good points even, but I feel like the extremism detracts more than it adds.

 

[CrackRabbit]

I think most people are simply trying to do what is right, and I as a person attempt to see both sides of an issue before making a judgment on it.
What I can't stand are people that don't bother doing that and then exude hatred for anyone that has an opinion different from their own. Those people are the ones that are destroying the nation today by taking control of the political process and using it to drive wedges in-between people that would normally just disagree and perhaps be able to compromise or come to an understanding on an issue.

 

[Craig234]

I take it you joined me in voting against Barrack Obama in 08? Cause you wouldn't be here saying one thing and doing another would you?!

Supporting a better but flawed choice isn't hypocritical. Progressives are a choice in the poll; they were't in the election, after the convention. I supported Kucinich, a progressive, until he left.

 

[Nitemare]

they are wrong

 

[BoberFett]

The average person, Republican and Democrat alike, are well intentioned and want to better the country for them, their children and their fellow citizens.

The same cannot be said about those in Washington. Politicians, Republican and Democrat alike, are only interested in the personal power and wealth they can amass while destroying anyone that gets in the way of their quest to that end.

 

[Steeplerot]

In my opinion the right is at least honest about being batshit far right-wing and pro-business (read:corporate lobbyist pandering) whereas Dems are playing the same game but act like they stand up for the people. I think the Dems are more destructive to themselves and thus the whole country as people vote for them for a reason and do not get it, and the same people excuse this.
Clinton was a huge letdown, and the big O is turning out to be the same deal.

At least Carter stood up for Democratic values. LBJ would give these righties heart attacks.

Regardless, the right is a reactionary mess wrapped in a flag and religion. This is not only destructive and backward, but downright dangerous to a open society.

So the right in my opinion is worse, but long term I think people recognize what the right is about and most reject it. Dems can turn on us, and have been since the 80s.

The only time we have had real change for the people is when we fought both parties and the system itself.

USA does not have a history of just giving in to our demands.

While the Dem party was reborn thanks to Nixons southern strategy of pulling southern racists and haters into Rep party it does not mean the Dem party will always reject reactionary values.

It is in the systems best interest to keep capitalist cronyism as #1, and the consumers "the peoples" distracted into blissful consumerism and apathy.

A well informed (and proactive) society is a free one. Our choice, but neither party is representing us at this point, and Dems are not living up to their values.