I am 24, and why would you have to license the cartels? they are doing just fine getting their stuff sold right now with everybody and their brother trying to stop them.
jt
jt
johnjohn320
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No, prices are higher because it's illegal. People charge a huge amount because they can. You really think it costs $30-60 to grow and ship 1 oz of weed?
Red Dawn, your statement is so true it hurts.
that is my point. If drugs are no longer illegal, the current cartels are still going to be able to sell and make more money than gov't or corporate competition. And maybe more overall.
jt
But since people here have a closed mind about it, I'll keep my mouth shut. I don't feel like arguing right now.
WTH?! $30-60 for an ounce of weed. That has to be mulch or something, it cannot be potent at all.
I usually buy marijuana from Canada from white people. Usually white people aren't the ones doing the terrorism, so I would say that when I buy drugs, I am not supporting terrorism.
Spac3d
Oh ya. Last I knew, people from the middle east are not growing marijuana and moving it to the US. They would be moving opium products, so the commercials with the kids doing bong rips doesn't make any sense. People from the US get their bud from five different places.
1.) Home grown
2.) Canda
3.) Mexico/South America, although rare these days
4.) Carribean
5.) Europe
I have never heard of people getting their marijuana from Afghanistan.
Spac3d
1.) Home grown
2.) Canda
3.) Mexico/South America, although rare these days
4.) Carribean
5.) Europe
I have never heard of people getting their marijuana from Afghanistan.
Spac3d
Haqbard haha! That's why i placed a bet that he was no more than 16. This 24 year needs to get edumacated.
yes, that law is called the government tax. drug dealers dont pay it, legit companies do. It will be high.
jt
jt
was the other way around, originaly they had no objections to it since it provided them with income, then the US gov offered them money to end it and from that day it became an insult to Allah or something alike to grow opium and people were killed for growing it, that lasted untill the WTC attack, now things are back like they were before.
I think with alot of time and generalizations, everything can be linked to anything you want it to be, lol.
Only applies if the tax is absurdly high. But sure, if they apply a tax that high, you'll get organized crime jumping in (we have a bit of that problem with tobacco here in Canada because its overtaxed).
Kadarin
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Politics != Common Sense
For a candidate for some high office in the US to admit to wanting to legalize marijuana or other drugs which have been deemed officially immoral would be political suicide. Opposing candidates would jump all over that and get John Q. Tirebiter to vote against him or her.
Fox News made a big deal today about that SUV commercial, but completely overlooked the fact that the SUV commercial makes a hell of a lot more sense than the drug commercial. The later is nothing but pure government propaganda.
For a candidate for some high office in the US to admit to wanting to legalize marijuana or other drugs which have been deemed officially immoral would be political suicide. Opposing candidates would jump all over that and get John Q. Tirebiter to vote against him or her.
Fox News made a big deal today about that SUV commercial, but completely overlooked the fact that the SUV commercial makes a hell of a lot more sense than the drug commercial. The later is nothing but pure government propaganda.
Have you ever heard of Afgani-premo patty hash. Made from cannabis-indica(sp)
Was big here in the 60s and 70s. Yes they do have M/J in Afganistan.
I can't believe that people are so stupid that they don't know of the crime and deaths that drugs are causing.
It is ridiculous to say that "I don't get my dope from Afghanistan" so I'm not supporting terrorism. How stupid can you be? Terrorism is not just a problem of Arab countries and Al-queada. It is the killings and murders in Mexico of rival drug gangs. It is the killing of judges who sentence drug lords to jail in Mexico and all of the South American countries.
I don't care if you want to smoke dope or coke up, just admit to the effects it is having on the world. Are those effects caused by the fact that drugs are illegal, yes, but those effects are happening.
So smoke away or whatever turns you on, just every once in awhile though, take a second to wonder about who died in the battle to get you those drugs.
It is ridiculous to say that "I don't get my dope from Afghanistan" so I'm not supporting terrorism. How stupid can you be? Terrorism is not just a problem of Arab countries and Al-queada. It is the killings and murders in Mexico of rival drug gangs. It is the killing of judges who sentence drug lords to jail in Mexico and all of the South American countries.
I don't care if you want to smoke dope or coke up, just admit to the effects it is having on the world. Are those effects caused by the fact that drugs are illegal, yes, but those effects are happening.
So smoke away or whatever turns you on, just every once in awhile though, take a second to wonder about who died in the battle to get you those drugs.
johnjohn320
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No one. The guy I get it from grows it. And the vast majority of people I know buy from someone like this or grow it themselves.
The violence of Mexico's drug trade is beginning to seep into all levels of society. No longer confined to high-rolling drug lords in rough border towns and addicts on the streets, it is striking at lawyers, judges, police, soldiers, even doctors.
The latest attack came Nov. 11, when two federal judges and one of their wives died in a hail of gunfire in the Pacific coast resort of Mazatlan, in the worst attack on the courts in recent memory.
They were on their way to a baseball game with their wives when they were ambushed. Authorities quickly put police guards around judges in drug- and violence-plagued Sinaloa state, and there were calls for the kind of anonymous "hooded judges" that Colombia used to try dangerous suspects at the height of its drug wars.
The two judges had presided over drug cases in another northern state, Tamaulipas, and the nature of the slayings - a lone gunman sprayed their van with 40 rounds from an AK-47 assault rifle - led police to believe that jailed drug traffickers may have ordered the attack.
Just three days later, in the northern city of Monterrey, lawyer Silvia Raquenel Villanueva, who has represented drug informers, survived her fourth assassination attempt. In the last 13 years, she has had a gasoline bomb thrown in her office; suffered three bullet wounds in a 1999 attack; had 13 bullets fired at her in her office last year; and, most recently, ducked a barrage of shots on a Monterrey street.
The chief justice of Mexico's Supreme Court, Genaro Gongora, warns that criminals are trying "to take Mexican society hostage."
To some, the social damage was already clear before the November killings of the judges. The industrial-scale drug trade has transformed the once largely nonviolent trafficking of marijuana into one of Mexico's deadliest activities, while making more common crimes like kidnapping ever more violent.
The trade's most insidious effect is its ability to warp society, said Jorge Chabat, a drug expert at the Center for Economic Development Research in Mexico City.
"The drug trade is like AIDS - it attacks society's antibodies, the immune system," Chabat said. "The corruption focuses on law enforcement agencies, and makes them extremely inefficient at combating any kind of crime."
Even something as seemingly unrelated as environmental law has become susceptible to drug-related violence.
Navy patrols are wary of stopping and searching dozens of boats that practice illegal dragnet fishing off the coast of Baja California because that area has become a favored route for heavily armed drug traffickers.
"The navy and the army send out patrols, but the problem is that they never know what's going to happen when they stop a boat. It could be full of smugglers," said Adan Hernandez, who helps run a sea turtle conservation center in Magdalena Bay, near the southern tip of Baja.
And at least eight doctors are known to have been murdered in recent years after operating on suspected members of drug gangs.
Other crimes also have become more violent and destructive under the influence of the drug trade. In many cases, common criminals seem to have picked up the kind of secrecy and eliminate-all-witnesses attitude long exhibited by drug traffickers.
Some kidnappers in southern Mexico, for example, are killing their victims even after ransom is paid, apparently in order to cover their tracks.
Most attention directed toward the drug trade has focused on wildly violent, cocaine- or heroin-fueled crime like the "narco-satanic" dismemberment killings carried out by a pseudo-cult of addicts along the U.S. border in the late 1980s.
But the biggest change has come in activity present for centuries in Mexico: the small-scale growth and consumption of marijuana, a tradition immortalized in folk songs like "La Cucaracha."
Traditionally, marijuana caused little violence and seldom spread beyond the mainly lower-class users.
Luis Hernandez, 68, remembers the smell of marijuana smoke drifting over the rooftops of his rough-and-tumble Tepito neighborhood in the 1940s.
"Mothers would just lie, and tell their kids that somebody was burning the 'hooves of the Devil,'" he said.
"If any little kid happened to find a guy smoking marijuana, the guy would try to hide it, or scare the kid off. Now they just offer the kid some, try to get him hooked," he said disapprovingly.
Nowadays, marijuana smoke wafts through the streets of Tepito as young men smoke it openly on the sidewalks.
The increasing industrialization of the drug trade has made marijuana a big business, with tanker trucks carrying multi-ton shipments north to the border.
And as profits soared, the marijuana trade became deadly. The biggest and bloodiest drug massacres in the past three years have involved marijuana, not harder drugs like cocaine or heroin.
Rather than killing a few rivals at a time, as the big cocaine cartels do, marijuana traffickers wipe out entire extended families.
Last February, a gang of gunmen stopped a truck carrying farmers to a town festival in Sinaloa, and methodically shot to death every passenger - 10 men and two teen-agers. The motive, according to police: One group of farmers allegedly had robbed marijuana from another.
A year earlier, in the western state of Michoacan, an entire family was gunned down in the rural home they used as a marijuana storehouse.
In September 1998, near Ensenada, gunmen rousted from bed an alleged marijuana trafficker and 18 members of his family, including eight children. They were lined up against a wall and shot with semiautomatic rifles. The motive: The trafficker had infringed on rivals' business.
"Unlike the cocaine trade, where a few professionals pass imported drugs through Mexico, marijuana involves a lot of farmers, a lot of peasant growers," said Chabat, the drug expert. "That means there is a lot more friction between the growers themselves, and the police."
The latest attack came Nov. 11, when two federal judges and one of their wives died in a hail of gunfire in the Pacific coast resort of Mazatlan, in the worst attack on the courts in recent memory.
They were on their way to a baseball game with their wives when they were ambushed. Authorities quickly put police guards around judges in drug- and violence-plagued Sinaloa state, and there were calls for the kind of anonymous "hooded judges" that Colombia used to try dangerous suspects at the height of its drug wars.
The two judges had presided over drug cases in another northern state, Tamaulipas, and the nature of the slayings - a lone gunman sprayed their van with 40 rounds from an AK-47 assault rifle - led police to believe that jailed drug traffickers may have ordered the attack.
Just three days later, in the northern city of Monterrey, lawyer Silvia Raquenel Villanueva, who has represented drug informers, survived her fourth assassination attempt. In the last 13 years, she has had a gasoline bomb thrown in her office; suffered three bullet wounds in a 1999 attack; had 13 bullets fired at her in her office last year; and, most recently, ducked a barrage of shots on a Monterrey street.
The chief justice of Mexico's Supreme Court, Genaro Gongora, warns that criminals are trying "to take Mexican society hostage."
To some, the social damage was already clear before the November killings of the judges. The industrial-scale drug trade has transformed the once largely nonviolent trafficking of marijuana into one of Mexico's deadliest activities, while making more common crimes like kidnapping ever more violent.
The trade's most insidious effect is its ability to warp society, said Jorge Chabat, a drug expert at the Center for Economic Development Research in Mexico City.
"The drug trade is like AIDS - it attacks society's antibodies, the immune system," Chabat said. "The corruption focuses on law enforcement agencies, and makes them extremely inefficient at combating any kind of crime."
Even something as seemingly unrelated as environmental law has become susceptible to drug-related violence.
Navy patrols are wary of stopping and searching dozens of boats that practice illegal dragnet fishing off the coast of Baja California because that area has become a favored route for heavily armed drug traffickers.
"The navy and the army send out patrols, but the problem is that they never know what's going to happen when they stop a boat. It could be full of smugglers," said Adan Hernandez, who helps run a sea turtle conservation center in Magdalena Bay, near the southern tip of Baja.
And at least eight doctors are known to have been murdered in recent years after operating on suspected members of drug gangs.
Other crimes also have become more violent and destructive under the influence of the drug trade. In many cases, common criminals seem to have picked up the kind of secrecy and eliminate-all-witnesses attitude long exhibited by drug traffickers.
Some kidnappers in southern Mexico, for example, are killing their victims even after ransom is paid, apparently in order to cover their tracks.
Most attention directed toward the drug trade has focused on wildly violent, cocaine- or heroin-fueled crime like the "narco-satanic" dismemberment killings carried out by a pseudo-cult of addicts along the U.S. border in the late 1980s.
But the biggest change has come in activity present for centuries in Mexico: the small-scale growth and consumption of marijuana, a tradition immortalized in folk songs like "La Cucaracha."
Traditionally, marijuana caused little violence and seldom spread beyond the mainly lower-class users.
Luis Hernandez, 68, remembers the smell of marijuana smoke drifting over the rooftops of his rough-and-tumble Tepito neighborhood in the 1940s.
"Mothers would just lie, and tell their kids that somebody was burning the 'hooves of the Devil,'" he said.
"If any little kid happened to find a guy smoking marijuana, the guy would try to hide it, or scare the kid off. Now they just offer the kid some, try to get him hooked," he said disapprovingly.
Nowadays, marijuana smoke wafts through the streets of Tepito as young men smoke it openly on the sidewalks.
The increasing industrialization of the drug trade has made marijuana a big business, with tanker trucks carrying multi-ton shipments north to the border.
And as profits soared, the marijuana trade became deadly. The biggest and bloodiest drug massacres in the past three years have involved marijuana, not harder drugs like cocaine or heroin.
Rather than killing a few rivals at a time, as the big cocaine cartels do, marijuana traffickers wipe out entire extended families.
Last February, a gang of gunmen stopped a truck carrying farmers to a town festival in Sinaloa, and methodically shot to death every passenger - 10 men and two teen-agers. The motive, according to police: One group of farmers allegedly had robbed marijuana from another.
A year earlier, in the western state of Michoacan, an entire family was gunned down in the rural home they used as a marijuana storehouse.
In September 1998, near Ensenada, gunmen rousted from bed an alleged marijuana trafficker and 18 members of his family, including eight children. They were lined up against a wall and shot with semiautomatic rifles. The motive: The trafficker had infringed on rivals' business.
"Unlike the cocaine trade, where a few professionals pass imported drugs through Mexico, marijuana involves a lot of farmers, a lot of peasant growers," said Chabat, the drug expert. "That means there is a lot more friction between the growers themselves, and the police."
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