I didn't get it, but I did get a different virus earlier this week...grrrr.... some IRC trojan thing. I ended up reinstalling windows.
People complain about MS security because of things like this. There should never be a hole like this in the system to begin with. It makes me sick to think that you have to pay $300 for a product that is full of security holes and that must be updated weekly if not daily. I'm sick of people saying it's the end-users fault that they got it, the blame lies squarely on MS.
Security holes can and will happen. There's an insane amount of code in windows and to think that code doesn't contain a bug that was overlooked doesn't make sense.
However, I do agree with you that this one is pretty bad, and definitly should have been somthing that was caught before this. I mean, it affects windows NT, thats like...old...
OREOSpeedwagon
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I think people need to stop being so hard of MS for this kind of stuff... coders/scripters ALWAYS have an advantage, as they can look at something that is already built, and only need to find one downfall... MS, on the other hand, needs to prepare for hundreds of thousands of thing, things so unlikely to ever happen, but COULD... when you look at the percentage of things that they catch versus don't catch, you would be amazed.
Also, 'nix has tons of security holes too, you just hear about it less frequently on this level because so few end users run it (comparatively).
Also, 'nix has tons of security holes too, you just hear about it less frequently on this level because so few end users run it (comparatively).
'nix does have lots of holes too, but in the case of most linux and open source apps, they're fixed within 24 hours, and most of the admins who run 'nix systems update them to cover security flaws and stuff.
I was already covered, I guess it was in soem update or other (Win2k, SP4, updated a few weeks back).
It's the users fault.
It wasn't until now that hackers began large scale exploitation, but for me, it was already covered by MS. Well done them for once.
Or, my PC is magic.
I had no virus scanner/firewall, so it was all in whatever MS updated.
The last part is really what I was going for in my last post, actually. I didn't want to offend anyone here, but TYPICALLY (not always) in my experiance, admins for 'nix systems tend to be much more intelligent/dedicated to their job then windows users. 3/4 (likely much higher) of the issues people have on windows machines have been fixed in previous critical updates, service packs, etc, or can be caught with a common antivirus (like AVG). Somethign that helps the 'nix end user is that since you typically downloadthe ISOs for them, they can constantly be recompiled and redistributed, so that when you download you always get the newest, most up to date, secure package. Many people I know reinstal windows, never get the patches, and then get pissy when something hits them... it's their own fault.
In conclusion, I agree with you Derango... and as a side note, I'm a CS major, and am definitely not trashing on 'nix at all. I run winXP, Gentoo, and freeBSD on my system (thats 2/3 nix right there
) ... I just don't like seeing people trounce down MS. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have all the fun hardware we have now Safe here, but my router logs have been showing port scans on 135,139 at the rate of 30 or so per hour.
No, I have not been hit (ICF saved my ass, and though I'd forgotten to patch for a few months, I'm all up to date now). All of my family (that I know of) use Windows 98 or Me, so they shouldn't be getting hit with it. As for my friends... what friends? You expect me, an introverted self-proclaimed geek, to have friends? OTOH, I'm sure some of my parents' friends and people from church who use WinXP (and AFAIK none of them patch anything worth sh!t) who know that I am somewhat computer-knowledgeable will have the phone ringing constantly wondering WTF their computer is rebooting.
neutralizer
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Just another good reason to run a firewall. I update religiously so I wouldnt have been affected, but I'm gonna check my router logs when I get home to see what kind of hits I've been getting.
Has anyone running a firewall been hit by this? I would imagine any firewall should have stopped this cold.
Has anyone running a firewall been hit by this? I would imagine any firewall should have stopped this cold.
I was not hit at home, just at work. For as big a company I work for, you would think it would be a little more secure.
dullard
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Take this as an example. A computer was no longer in use (employee left) and another employee needed a good upgrade and that computer was a perfect match. I formatted it and installed Win XP Pro all with the the ethernet cable unplugged. When that was all set up, I plugged in the cable and immediately downloaded Zone Alarm (the free firewall). The whole download process took less than a minute. But it was too late, the computer was already hit. You think I should be to blame for this user error? That is how it happens to others. Now Zone Alarm is burned onto a CD so this won't happen again. Still even being that cautious with a firewall and a good up to date virus scanner, anyone could be hit.
Nope, I use a powerbook, but I need to get over to my some people's comps and patch it for them.
You're misreading his example. He is stating not that ZoneAlarm failed, but that he got hit so quickly that the system was compromized before he could even get ZoneAlarm installed.
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