POLL - Hate speech as a tolerable subject matter to be hosted by the P&R

[Dr. Zaus]

You may be a proponent of all such vile content.

What's vile is your desire to repress facts, and opinions of those facts, in favor you not having to think about why the other side is wrong.

Being absofuckinglutely wrong is NOT hate speech. Thinking that your religion is the right religion is NOT hate speech. The FACT that the Dallas Cow-Boys are GOD's team, in GOD's state, in GOD's country; is NOT HATE SPEACH (no matter how many false assumptions go into the argument).

explicit subject matter

There's a sub-thread here all about posting tits (and one for pecks); there's another all about posting 'funny' (read, people often being hurt) images; the word fuck an't a problem either (nor the vile colloquialism "an't").

I think the real problem is that the onlything that offends you is a need to think about data that disagrees with your world view.

extremist (some violent)

There you go again! This is as bullshit a way of thinking as some ass hat that would call the islamic religion "hate speech" because SOME on the far-extreme of it are violent.

Guess what buddy, there isn't a single example of ANY political or religious idea that doesn't harken to something also paid attention to by an extremist (sometimes violent) group.


Hate speech, by this reckoning, seems simply to be speech that you hate; and that makes you the member of a hate group.

 

[Whiskey16]

There you go again! This is as bullshit a way of thinking as some ass hat that would call the islamic religion "hate speech" because SOME on the far-extreme of it are violent.

The issue is most certainly not that of recognising political groups and individuals being violent -- as per the mission of the P&N, but that of present members here feeling welcome and undeterred to regularly marginalise targeted racial/ethnic/religious groups and even go so far as to advocate death to them and any associated with them.

You are in gross error to call "bullshit" upon what is, you deny to be, apparently tolerate and welcome.

I think the real problem is that the onlything that offends you is a need to think about data that disagrees with your world view.
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Hate speech, by this reckoning, seems simply to be speech that you hate; and that makes you the member of a hate group.

What you are mischaracterising is a lie. This is not an issue of opinion.

As presented to you, the only presentation for violence here is coming from the same regular group of racist members, and that is done by those with the spoken intention to kill marginalised groups or fellow forum member and their families:

I realize there are some people dumb enough to fall for your little shame and guilt tactics, but most of us see right through it. You and those like you are the enemy of the West and it's way of life. That's why you're ignored, denigrated and laughed at despite what I'm sure is a significant effort to construct eloquent arguments to make us feel bad. But like I said, those of us with more than an academic knowledge of you and your kind wouldn't mind if you filmed us while we put your entire extended family in one mass grave, because we know eventually it'll be you or us. We either fight now, alongside Israel, or wait until you convince enough idiots to let you gain the upper hand.

It wasn't a personal threat, it was a broad, general warning to everyone like you: It's just a matter of time until the West wakes up to the subversiveness of your words and actions intended to destroy our society with it's own virtues. When that time comes, it'll be bad news [kill your entire extended family] for people like you living among us, advocating for terrorists.

Exactly. The upper hand will be gained by them [Muslim immigrant population] in the near future if through no other means, then through birth rate alone.

So this is why I say, violence may be the only answer.

I know it seems harsh, but I truly believe the choice is between doing some really, really distasteful shit (killing lots, and lots of people) or watching European civilization, culture, and tradition be utterly wiped out or nearly so.

To me, the killing sounds better.

Recognising that this forum is ill and fostering hateful extremism is most certainly not "bullshit."

Motivation to clean this society up and deter responsibility from its far too common racist mantras on to their enabling to present calls to violently act against the race/ethnic/religious targets is not "bullshit."

 

[Incorruptible]

The issue is most certainly not that of recognising political groups and individuals being violent -- as per the mission of the P&N, but that of present members here feeling welcome and undeterred to regularly marginalise targeted racial/ethnic/religious groups and even go so far as to advocate death to them and any associated with them.

You are in gross error to call "bullshit" upon what is, you deny to be, apparently tolerate and welcome.

What you are mischaracterising is a lie. This is not an issue of opinion.

As presented to you, the only presentation for violence here is coming from the same regular group of racist members, and that is done by those with the spoken intention to kill marginalised groups or fellow forum member and their families:




Recognising that this forum is ill and fostering hateful extremism is most certainly not "bullshit."

Motivation to clean this society up and deter responsibility from its far too common racist mantras on to their enabling to present calls to violently act against the race/ethnic/religious targets is not "bullshit."

There is no "hate speech" on here its just you labeling it as such to get rid of opinions you disagree with

 

[Jaskalas]

There is no "hate speech" on here its just you labeling it as such to get rid of opinions you disagree with

I don't know... those quotes in his recent post are more convincing. Of course I also note moderator action was taken on at least one occasion.

 

[SheHateMe]

Anandtech has evolved. It's not particularly a climate I want to be a part of (P&N, that is). I've actually found myself participating in other types of communities here on the forums and on other websites that aren't receptive to people trying to post news.

[H] has subscriber only Politics & News sections for a reason.

 

[Agent11]

What I find sad is that it is impossible to have a discussion about race without one side screaming 'Racist!' and the other using it as a platform for their bigotry.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

Here are the FBI crime statistics. Blacks make up 12.4% of the US population but 49.7% of arrests for murder, 32.9% arrests for rape, and 55.6% arrests for robbery in 2011.

It is obvious there is a problem, yet if we are unable to have civil discussion on the topic how will it ever be resolved?

 

[lotus503]

I think everyone should be able to explore the topics of race and religion etc.

Fact is a lot of our world news revolves both to a degree, sometimes its just plain relevant.

As much as I see Geo misguided sometimes, I think he is genuine when he says he is trying to learn and progress shedding his liberal dogma. When a person dumps one set of ideas or values or is evaluating them its not uncommon to go a tad too far to the other side.

That said there are just some posters that offer no real value at all. But that's not a race or religion issue.

Frankly there are two camps here that need to do a better job calling there own side out on stupid stuff and this place would be better off.

I know I can get sucked in to some pointless discussions and get in the mud, we all could do less of it frankly - more agreeing to disagree.

 

[SheHateMe]

There aren't enough minorities on this forum for a "real" racial discussion to be fair.

It is very one sided here and when I USED to try and participate in discussions, I was dismissed because I was too biased about the subject matter since I was black.

Its really hard to break through that.