Poll: Gun Control: Does limiting who can get a gun reduce crime?

[Garet Jax]

With all the multiple person shootings, I thought I would start this thread.

Discuss?

 

[etrigan420]

Wait, is there a poll?

I WAS PROMISED A POLL!!!!!!!!1

EDIT: Sure, *now* there's a poll...

 

[sixone]

It works on people who respect the law. Not on people who don't.

 

[Garet Jax]

My personal opinion is no for a few reasons:

1) Some of the worst crime (NY, CA, MD, NJ, IL) are in States that have some of the toughest gun control laws.

2) Whenever Government tries to regulate anything, they fail miserably (alcohol, drugs, guns, etc...)

3) Removing gun control from current States has not seen any rise to the crime rates. If anything, they have stayed the same or gone down.

 

[darkxshade]

I would say it has the potential to work... but it won't work in America

 

[Garet Jax]

Wait, is there a poll?

I WAS PROMISED A POLL!!!!!!!!1

EDIT: Sure, *now* there's a poll...

You're too quick

 

[BoomerD]

Yes...gun control DOES work...IF you consider "gun control" as hitting what you're aiming at...

Otherwise, not really. It only affects honest, law-abiding citizens...and drives up the price for both legal guns and ILLEGAL guns. (much like drug laws drive up the cost of illegal drugs)

 

[Jaepheth]

You're too quick

That's what she said....

wait...



Anyway; it depends on what you mean by "work as desired".

 

[Garet Jax]

Yes...gun control DOES work...IF you consider "gun control" as hitting what you're aiming at...

Otherwise, not really. It only affects honest, law-abiding citizens...and drives up the price for both legal guns and ILLEGAL guns. (much like drug laws drive up the cost of illegal drugs)

Point taken - let me see if I can reword the poll so an ability to hit what your are aiming at is not the question answered.

 

[Garet Jax]

That's what she said....

wait...



Anyway; it depends on what you mean by "work as desired".

Darnit - have you been talking to my wife. I keep telling her to keep that .... defiency between us.

 

[xj0hnx]

Of course it doesn't work, criminals don't follow laws, if they did, they wouldn't be criminals. The only people that gun control works on are people that follow the law anyway.

 

[Garet Jax]

Of course it doesn't work, criminals don't follow laws, if they did, they wouldn't be criminals. The only people that gun control works on are people that follow the law anyway.

Just to play devils advocate here, if there are fewer guns available to be purchased, then doesn't it make it harder for criminals to get them too since there are just fewer around?

So a direct side affect no, but indirectly maybe?

 

[micrometers]

yes it would work.

and yes, the war on drugs works also.

Nothing is perfect. You just do the best you can.

 

[Garet Jax]

yes it would work.

and yes, the war on drugs works also.

Nothing is perfect. You just do the best you can.

Just saying it does, doesn't make it so.

We have more people in prison now than ever in our history and the huge drug problem doesn't appear to have shrunk. Arguably when one drug lord is taken down, it creates a power struggle amongst the remaining drug lords for the open corners and makes the problem worse.

Logically - limiting what law-abiding people can do with guns, doesn't affect one criminal since by definition they already ignore the laws.

Please help me understand how it will make a difference.

There are currently 40+ states will shall issue types of laws and their crime issues don't appear to be worse then the 10 or so that don't have shall issue.

 

[moonbogg]

It would work, but not completely. Some people wouldn't go through the trouble to get a gun illegally because they are just depressed or derranged and want a gun easy. A lot of people would have to sacrifice their rights in order to save a few lives. Is it worth it to you?

 

[pontifex]

If they're that intent on committing the crime, they will just find another easier way, like a knife or crowbar.

as has been already said, the criminals by definition don't follow the law anyway, so what would a law do to prevent them from committing the crime?

Drugs are banned, prostitution is banned, but people easily get these things.

 

[theknight571]

I don't think "gun control" will help much at all.

How many crimes are committed with legally obtained guns anyway?

 

[edro]

Of course it works, but at what cost?

Banning smoking, outlawing fast food, 25mph speed limit everywhere, outlawing electricity would all lower deaths.

 

[edro]

Drugs are banned, prostitution is banned, but people easily get these things.

Drugs and sex are easily obtainable.
Most criminals can't build guns.
It would take a while (10 years?!), but after a 100% ban, guns would be rare.

If the US TOTALLY BANNED ALL GUNS, homicide would drop, guaranteed.
The same as if they totally banned all knives, cars, or anything else that can be used to kill.

 

[moonbogg]

I don't think "gun control" will help much at all.

How many crimes are committed with legally obtained guns anyway?

All of the recent major ones were. It would create a barrier between killers and guns. If they are determined to use a gun, then they will, but many of these people would simply resort to other methods. These other methods would not be as lethal. I don't care what gun freaks tell you. A few molotov cocktails in that theatre wouldn not have been as deadly, but thats what gun lovers say.
I love my shotgun and have a lot of fun with it, but I would part with it if it meant preventing even a single family from the anguish recently experienced. The point of the writing below is to illustrate that we will suffer like insects unless we take action to prevent it. Have some empathy, ditch your god damn guns!

The injured moth flaps its wings, turning in circles on the ground in a pointless effort to get somewhere. I flap my wings trying to get somwehere.
Why does a moth exist? they get injured and noone cares. No moth empathy among mothes. No moth god to intervene. No break for the injured moth. It flaps, struggles and dies.
We have a little purpose that we give ourselves. Sometimes we feel useful and good. Other times we are the injured moth. No moth empathy among mothes, no moth god to intervene, no break for the injured moth.
We are healthy as children, we are a happy child, we have dreams, we have purpose. We enjoy some years and then find ourselves injured with no time to repair. We flap our wings, spinning in circles on the ground and in our heads, trying to get somewhere.
We become the injured moth. No moth empathy among mothes. No moth god to intervene. No break for the injured moth.
A healthy moth flies, a healthy moth eats, a healthy moth explores. A healthy moth is hit by a raindrop, a healthy moth falls injured.
We live our lives, we talk with friends, we enjoy eachother. A healthy person falls injured by another.
a healthy moth falls injured. No moth god to intervene. No break for the injured moth.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Limiting who can get a gun would work.
Gun control does not limit who can get a gun as there are too many illegitimate ways to obtain them.

You make something illegal, people will still do it.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Limiting guns works.

Full on gun control, not really.

 

[edro]

Keep in mind, we already have gun control.
Felons cannot own guns. Most violent criminals are felons.

If felons were allowed to legally buy guns, there would be a LOT more crime.

 

[sao123]

Negative Ghostrider... the Pattern is full!

 

[soulcougher73]

Nope wouldnt work. If someone intent on killing people cannot legally buy the guns they will just go into the illegal market and get their unregistered gun and still commit the crime they set out to do.