POLL: For those supporting the war on Iraq...would you enlist?

[Ozoned]

Logical thinking tells me that people that serve in the military do so to defend the rights of others. Those rights include the choice to support or oppose a war without any sort of pre-condition of participation in their choice.

This is not negated simply because the war happens to be in Iraq.....

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Yes, you did:

"He said that he helps out the military through his job as part of excuse as to why he wouldn't enlist. I said it doesn't come close to enlisting."

Tell me, how does this not come close to enlisting?

Well you're overlooking the context of this thread. I meant in the context of putting your money where your mouth is, it's not coming close to enlisting in that people aren't shooting at you, having to kill people, having to be away from your family etc etc. That's not attacking his profession.

For all you know, he could be a lead programmer in a new missle defense system for the military, which could protentiall save millions of lives.

Could be (though gauging by the time spent on P&N during wartime...), doesn't change my argument.

"If anything your support and pride is hurting the troops because it's putting them in harm's unnecessarily."

I don't think I even need to say anything about that statement, as it is just plain stupid.

But you can't think of a reason why it's stupid. 😉

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
*waves bye to the crowd*

We'll never forget the great sacrifice you made to make this forum a better place. :beer:

By breaking the rules? :roll:

Yes, ignore me if you want. Instead, you just troll with your cookies.

EDIT: Again, I'm not gonna' PM anyone but he did break the rules.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Logical thinking tells me that people that serve in the military do so to defend the rights of others. Those rights include the choice to support or oppose a war without any sort of pre-condition of participation in their choice.

This is not negated simply because the war happens to be in Iraq.....

...because those who have truly marched in our boots made their own choices as well.

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Here is the first post I made to this thread near the beginning

"I'll make a little prediction. You'll get a bunch of right wingers that never served BUT will come up with excuses. "I'm too old and I have a bad knee", "I'm allergic to sand", "I'd join but I have a bad back and I'd be useless", "I'm supporting the effort at home by working at some plant".

Here are the excuses that followed:

"i would not enlist simply b/c i dont want to be a soldier, but i support the iraq war. If i was drafted i would definetly serve."

"As for me, I went to the USMC after high school but couldn't get in due to bad legs (ran too much during track season, of all things, and got stress fractures"

"I actually would have liked to have been in the military"

"Well, I actually do directly support the military with my job. But would I enlist? Probably not. I'm a nerd, plain and simple. I design and code for military applications - I'm no soldier. Hell, I miss several days of work each year to pussy stuff like sinus infections, upper-respiratory infections, severe hay fever."

:laugh:

It could also be said that people who don't support the war only do so because they're too scared to fight for what they believe in. It's much easier to pretend to be against the war than it would be to enlist.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I am completely against the war, and I would die in prison before I would serve a minute of time in our Army for this particular war effort.

I would gladly serve in our Army for a war that truly defended the American way of life...not one that simply filled the gas tank in our luxery SUVs.

If you don't see this as a threat to our way of life, you must be a liberal. Where did those Trade Center Towers go?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
I had a discussion about this with my ex-coworker sometime ago.

This is all a summary of what he said:
His answer was that there are two wars (actually 3 if you count Afghanistan). One in Iraq fighting against terrorists who want to beat us and one here in the US fighting against the liberals who want us to surrender(his words not mine). He's enlisted in the second one. If all the Republicans that supported the war left to go fight in Iraq, you'd leave the homefront weak to the cowardly democrats who would try to steal the country right out from under them. He said something about Roman soldiers marching off to war returned to find that the cowardly Roman senators that had stayed behind stole all their land, money and wives (not sure if thats true).

He's voting for Bush, which he shouldn't have said out loud in California as everyone else just immediately started bashing him :laugh:

RESPECT!!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Well, I actually do directly support the military with my job.

No where in the same universe as being in Iraq.

Plus I have no desire to be away from my wife and kids. Some people are cut out for military duty, some are not. I give the former my utmost support and pride.

What a huge sacrifice you have made... :roll: Who DOES mind being away from their wife and kids? If anything your support and pride is hurting the troops because it's putting them in harm's unnecessarily.

Did you ever tell yourself the protestors needed to shut up and support the troops?

No, jackass - take your off-base assumptions and shove them. I have no delusions that I am in any was equal to a soldier being fired upon in a hostile environment. I never claimed as such. Has there never been anything you supported, but didn't actively participate in? If so, then you are a hypocritical bastard (surprise!) Learn some reading comprehension, you ignorant twat. I will not have my support for our troops questioned by the likes of you.

Nothing you have every posted here about me has pissed me off in the slightest, but this is pretty damn close. Fvck you! Want to complain to a Mod about personal attacks and get me vacationed? Go ahead. Hell, I'll PM the Mod personally after I post this to save you the time. I'll enjoy my vacation, too, knowing I had the simple pleasure in saying this one more time:

Fvck you, Infotroll, you ignorant, moronic, hypocrititical, flame-starting, cowardly, semi-retarded douchebag of a trolling cvnt. You are a weak-minded, sh1t-stirring, liberal-wannabe b@stard who is loathed by both those who disagree and agree with your points. Your lack of intelligence and inability to comprehend the english language rivals that of a inbred, troglodytic mutt. You lack the logical reasoning skills of a moss-covered rock. You are a hopeless and wretched fool. I extend you my utmost and sincere pity for being you, and doubly so for the people who are mature and patient enough to put up with your idiotcy, of which I am not, today.

*waves bye to the crowd*

Your positive history and the particular cumulative circumstances here and your pledge to us not to repeat this mean that we are giving you a mulligan -- one free pass. ALL OTHERS please note, we only give out one mulligan per decade, and our general patience is wearing thin. The next person to so erupt will not be as lucky.

AnandTech Moderator

Cheers for the mod!

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I am completely against the war, and I would die in prison before I would serve a minute of time in our Army for this particular war effort.

I would gladly serve in our Army for a war that truly defended the American way of life...not one that simply filled the gas tank in our luxery SUVs.

If you don't see this as a threat to our way of life, you must be a liberal. Where did those Trade Center Towers go?

God. I can't believe people are still parading this crap about Iraq and 9/11 WHEN THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. Saddam hasn't even killed one American.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I am completely against the war, and I would die in prison before I would serve a minute of time in our Army for this particular war effort.

I would gladly serve in our Army for a war that truly defended the American way of life...not one that simply filled the gas tank in our luxery SUVs.

If you don't see this as a threat to our way of life, you must be a liberal. Where did those Trade Center Towers go?

God. I can't believe people are still parading this crap about Iraq and 9/11 WHEN THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. Saddam hasn't even killed one American.

Once again: Sort of like Japan and Germany in WWII. Germany didn't attack our homeland, Japan did. I assure you that Iraq and Al Kaida are much more closely related than Japan and Germany were. Your logic would say that we should have attacked Japan and left Gremany to have it's way with Europe. Iraq was a large part of the house that Bin Laden built. Terrorist organizations survive by making fragmentation their organization. Remember The Cole. That was Al Kaida, but in Sanaa.

 

[conjur]

Once again, comparing invading Iraq to any aspect of WWII is completely ridiculous.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
Once again, comparing invading Iraq to any aspect of WWII is completely ridiculous.

Ah, you finally return to the thread. Are you going to admit to your spin now, or just hope that no one remembers?

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I am completely against the war, and I would die in prison before I would serve a minute of time in our Army for this particular war effort.

I would gladly serve in our Army for a war that truly defended the American way of life...not one that simply filled the gas tank in our luxery SUVs.

If you don't see this as a threat to our way of life, you must be a liberal. Where did those Trade Center Towers go?

God. I can't believe people are still parading this crap about Iraq and 9/11 WHEN THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. Saddam hasn't even killed one American.

Ok, you stepped in it with that one, immensely. Remember the invasion in 1990? What about the subsequent Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm? Does the enforcement of the no-fly zones mean anything to you? What about the fact that Saddam's forces were shooting almost daily at US and allied aircraft patrolling said zones?

Yours was an idiotic statement. Period.

 

[Zebo]

I supported the war based on lies..were would I fit in? Yea I would have gone based on what I was told Like Iraqis want us to free them ( I always knew the WMD stuff was bogus pretense for the idiots even if he had them him and his generals would'nt dare use them), SH presented a threat to ME and oil supply, saddam was a brutal thug (turns out some of his actions we are doing to the same people) etc.

The conduct of the war since has been atrocious and as it turns out we are brutal on the populus maybe as bad as Saddam. Natually Iraqis don't want us, they don't want freedom the way we think, they want a islamic regime that Sadaam never let them have. They don't want American companies and european companies involved in thier assests (oil, telecommunications, construction etc), They don't even want us there period. Guess I would have gone but been shot for desertion if they still do such things. Based on lies our leader constructed for us.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I am completely against the war, and I would die in prison before I would serve a minute of time in our Army for this particular war effort.

I would gladly serve in our Army for a war that truly defended the American way of life...not one that simply filled the gas tank in our luxery SUVs.

If you don't see this as a threat to our way of life, you must be a liberal. Where did those Trade Center Towers go?

God. I can't believe people are still parading this crap about Iraq and 9/11 WHEN THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. Saddam hasn't even killed one American.

Once again: Sort of like Japan and Germany in WWII. Germany didn't attack our homeland, Japan did. I assure you that Iraq and Al Kaida are much more closely related than Japan and Germany were. Your logic would say that we should have attacked Japan and left Gremany to have it's way with Europe. Iraq was a large part of the house that Bin Laden built. Terrorist organizations survive by making fragmentation their organization. Remember The Cole. That was Al Kaida, but in Sanaa.

Another totally and utterly worthless leap of logic, it is not comparable in any way shape or form.

Unless you can provide links that Iraq was a large part of the house that Bin Laden built (which would be strange since Bin Laden was a sworn enemy of Saddam, even more so than other leaders in the ME) your argument is just silly.

So back it up or forget it.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Another totally and utterly worthless leap of logic, it is not comparable in any way shape or form.

Unless you can provide links that Iraq was a large part of the house that Bin Laden built (which would be strange since Bin Laden was a sworn enemy of Saddam, even more so than other leaders in the ME) your argument is just silly.

So back it up or forget it.

Is this a war against Al Qaeda or terrorism in general? Is it over when we capture bin Laden?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Well, I actually do directly support the military with my job.

No where in the same universe as being in Iraq.

Plus I have no desire to be away from my wife and kids. Some people are cut out for military duty, some are not. I give the former my utmost support and pride.

What a huge sacrifice you have made... :roll: Who DOES mind being away from their wife and kids? If anything your support and pride is hurting the troops because it's putting them in harm's unnecessarily.

Did you ever tell yourself the protestors needed to shut up and support the troops?

No, jackass - take your off-base assumptions and shove them. I have no delusions that I am in any was equal to a soldier being fired upon in a hostile environment. I never claimed as such. Has there never been anything you supported, but didn't actively participate in? If so, then you are a hypocritical bastard (surprise!) Learn some reading comprehension, you ignorant twat. I will not have my support for our troops questioned by the likes of you.

Nothing you have every posted here about me has pissed me off in the slightest, but this is pretty damn close. Fvck you! Want to complain to a Mod about personal attacks and get me vacationed? Go ahead. Hell, I'll PM the Mod personally after I post this to save you the time. I'll enjoy my vacation, too, knowing I had the simple pleasure in saying this one more time:

Fvck you, Infotroll, you ignorant, moronic, hypocrititical, flame-starting, cowardly, semi-retarded douchebag of a trolling cvnt. You are a weak-minded, sh1t-stirring, liberal-wannabe b@stard who is loathed by both those who disagree and agree with your points. Your lack of intelligence and inability to comprehend the english language rivals that of a inbred, troglodytic mutt. You lack the logical reasoning skills of a moss-covered rock. You are a hopeless and wretched fool. I extend you my utmost and sincere pity for being you, and doubly so for the people who are mature and patient enough to put up with your idiotcy, of which I am not, today.

*waves bye to the crowd*

Your positive history and the particular cumulative circumstances here and your pledge to us not to repeat this mean that we are giving you a mulligan -- one free pass. ALL OTHERS please note, we only give out one mulligan per decade, and our general patience is wearing thin. The next person to so erupt will not be as lucky.

AnandTech Moderator

Infohawk is definitely anti-war. I wonder if she is willing to lay down in front of a tank to die for her beliefs?

😕

 

[b0mbrman]

Woah. I almost forgot about this thread. ROTC seems to be the only avenue of joining that will give you an age waiver unless you can play with a loophole that allows for joining through OCS up to age 39 w/a waiver.

Again. Best of luck 🙂

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I am completely against the war, and I would die in prison before I would serve a minute of time in our Army for this particular war effort.

I would gladly serve in our Army for a war that truly defended the American way of life...not one that simply filled the gas tank in our luxery SUVs.

If you don't see this as a threat to our way of life, you must be a liberal. Where did those Trade Center Towers go?

God. I can't believe people are still parading this crap about Iraq and 9/11 WHEN THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. Saddam hasn't even killed one American.

Once again: Sort of like Japan and Germany in WWII. Germany didn't attack our homeland, Japan did. I assure you that Iraq and Al Kaida are much more closely related than Japan and Germany were. Your logic would say that we should have attacked Japan and left Gremany to have it's way with Europe. Iraq was a large part of the house that Bin Laden built. Terrorist organizations survive by making fragmentation their organization. Remember The Cole. That was Al Kaida, but in Sanaa.

Another totally and utterly worthless leap of logic, it is not comparable in any way shape or form.

Unless you can provide links that Iraq was a large part of the house that Bin Laden built (which would be strange since Bin Laden was a sworn enemy of Saddam, even more so than other leaders in the ME) your argument is just silly.

So back it up or forget it.

To the blind, sunrise must be described in detail. If you are too mentally blind to see the connection, you wouldn't be able to understand the linkage no matter how finely I draw the pictures. If you are mentally sharp enough to understand the linkage, you already know the truth and just don't want to accept it. if you are unwilling to accept the truth, why would I labor to present it to you?

 

[arsbanned]

I served honorably from 1982-1986, United States Marine Corps.

I'm 41 as of today so I doubt they'd take me back.

I think I'm in better shape than I was back then though.

They subtract your active duty years (4 in your case) from your age when considering your application. I believe the maximum age is 37. I actually looked into it a few years ago. The Navy would have taken me back in at that time. AAAAAnyway.
Over and out.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Ozoned



Infohawk is definitely anti-war. I wonder if she is willing to lay down in front of a tank to die for her beliefs?

😕

Among your many wrong assumptions, I am not anti-war. I'm anti Iraq war. I thought the civil war where the South got a smack down was needed for example, as well as others.

Now, I wouldn't lay down in front of a tank because I don't ask others to do this. Now you support this war and you want people to go and fight. People of age that support this war should put their money where their mouths are and get over to Iraq ASAP. See the difference? You're asking people to go into harm's way. I'm not.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Logical thinking tells me that people that serve in the military do so to defend the rights of others. Those rights include the choice to support or oppose a war without any sort of pre-condition of participation in their choice.

This is not negated simply because the war happens to be in Iraq.....

 

[maluckey]

FWIW, to those still trying to get in:

There are two non-waivable age cut-offs. One is the 34 year old age limit for basic training (if you need it for your reclass, or have never been in the service), and the other would be the 40 year old age limit for re-entry when not already under contract. These have no waivers as far as I can tell. If I am wrong, someone post the correct info.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: maluckey
FWIW, to those still trying to get in:

There are two non-waivable age cut-offs. One is the 34 year old age limit for basic training (if you need it for your reclass, or have never been in the service), and the other would be the 40 year old age limit for re-entry when not already under contract. These have no waivers as far as I can tell. If I am wrong, someone post the correct info.

Enlisted. Never go in enlisted IMO. Besides most people here are college educated with good degrees , CS, EE, or other technical degrees. What's OCS's age limits for the curious?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I am completely against the war, and I would die in prison before I would serve a minute of time in our Army for this particular war effort.

I would gladly serve in our Army for a war that truly defended the American way of life...not one that simply filled the gas tank in our luxery SUVs.

If you don't see this as a threat to our way of life, you must be a liberal. Where did those Trade Center Towers go?

God. I can't believe people are still parading this crap about Iraq and 9/11 WHEN THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. Saddam hasn't even killed one American.

Once again: Sort of like Japan and Germany in WWII. Germany didn't attack our homeland, Japan did. I assure you that Iraq and Al Kaida are much more closely related than Japan and Germany were. Your logic would say that we should have attacked Japan and left Gremany to have it's way with Europe. Iraq was a large part of the house that Bin Laden built. Terrorist organizations survive by making fragmentation their organization. Remember The Cole. That was Al Kaida, but in Sanaa.

Unlike Germany, Iraq didn't declare war against us and secondly Iraq was not a threat to out national security where as Germany was due to her Military strength and her being at war with out closest allies and economic trading partners.