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AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: sugar
interesting that the "for's" outnumber the "against's"

For those who are for it, ask yourself this:

When your child gets to be a teenager/adolescent (a very influencable age) would you want them to spend the night a friend's house who's parents are gay?

Do you think that may have an impact on the lifestyle your child may choose?
Homosexuality isn't contagious. Nor are homsexual men more predestined to be a pedophiliac . As a matter of fact most pedophiles identify as heterosexual.
As long as the parents are there and they are decent people to begin with, sure, WHY NOT???
I'ld be more concerned about a Catholic Priest expressing interest in my child.

 

Kadarin

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Remember when we were all kids, and in school we were taught that we live in a free country, where freedom mean that you could do pretty much what you wanted to do so long as you didn't hurt anybody? A Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage not only makes a mockery of the Constitution, it puts the lie to the very ideals that the United States were founded upon.

I am for gay marriage for that very reason.
 

Aztech

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Jan 19, 2002
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All these people talking about how it doesn't affect them. Of course it does! It's changes in our society and they will impact you and your kids. The "don't care about anything if it doesn't directly affect me" attitude is careless. There are plenty of issues that will affect you down the road, but it's never too soon to fight for what you believe in. It's the same thing with abortion, or social security, or many other issues. Do you guys just say you don't care. Well, by the time you care it may be too late to do anything.

Needless to say, I'm against it. Call it something else, but not marriage. If it's all about choice, than they should choose not to be gay. It's just a problem that people have and we should be helping them fix it, not supporting it.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Aztech
All these people talking about how it doesn't affect them. Of course it does! It's changes in our society and they will impact you and your kids. The "don't care about anything if it doesn't directly affect me" attitude is careless. There are plenty of issues that will affect you down the road, but it's never too soon to fight for what you believe in. It's the same thing with abortion, or social security, or many other issues. Do you guys just say you don't care. Well, by the time you care it may be too late to do anything.

Needless to say, I'm against it. Call it something else, but not marriage. If it's all about choice, than they should choose not to be gay. It's just a problem that people have and we should be helping them fix it, not supporting it.

You didn't "choose" to be straight. You are straight.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: sugar
For those who are for it, ask yourself this:

When your child gets to be a teenager/adolescent (a very influencable age) would you want them to spend the night a friend's house who's parents are gay?
Sure. I'd do the same meet and greet I'd do for any set of parents (regardless of sexuality) to figure out if they warrant being responsible for my kid overnight. You don't honestly thing grown adults would start frenching each other, leave porn around the house or have sex out in the open just because they're homosexuals, do you? Being gay hardly means you're a sex freak, pedophile or both.
Do you think that may have an impact on the lifestyle your child may choose?
Do you think your child will choose their entire lifestyle based on hanging around kids that may have gay, married parents? Furthermore, how in the world would gay marriage factor into this 'problem' at all?
Originally posted by: DWW
They should invent a sort of new marriage license that can only be given by a religious faction, and that can't be broken (divorce). That would be nice for those who don't want the term to lose its value and merit IN THEIR VIEW.
Trying to legislate morality people is worse than merely being a bad idea. It's dangerous. If people can't stop from wandering on their own, there's nothing the state can do about it.
 

gopunk

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Jul 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Aztech
All these people talking about how it doesn't affect them. Of course it does! It's changes in our society and they will impact you and your kids. The "don't care about anything if it doesn't directly affect me" attitude is careless. There are plenty of issues that will affect you down the road, but it's never too soon to fight for what you believe in. It's the same thing with abortion, or social security, or many other issues. Do you guys just say you don't care. Well, by the time you care it may be too late to do anything.

Needless to say, I'm against it. Call it something else, but not marriage. If it's all about choice, than they should choose not to be gay. It's just a problem that people have and we should be helping them fix it, not supporting it.

who says it's a problem? who says it's a choice?
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: sugar
interesting that the "for's" outnumber the "against's"

For those who are for it, ask yourself this:

When your child gets to be a teenager/adolescent (a very influencable age) would you want them to spend the night a friend's house who's parents are gay?

Do you think that may have an impact on the lifestyle your child may choose?

i doubt recognizing gay marriages will have a terribly large impact on the number of gays that cohabitate. and they can already raise children, so that's nothing new either.

and i would rather have my child spend a night at a gay couple's house than spent a night at a close-minded couple's house.
 

Aztech

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Jan 19, 2002
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Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Aztech
All these people talking about how it doesn't affect them. Of course it does! It's changes in our society and they will impact you and your kids. The "don't care about anything if it doesn't directly affect me" attitude is careless. There are plenty of issues that will affect you down the road, but it's never too soon to fight for what you believe in. It's the same thing with abortion, or social security, or many other issues. Do you guys just say you don't care. Well, by the time you care it may be too late to do anything.

Needless to say, I'm against it. Call it something else, but not marriage. If it's all about choice, than they should choose not to be gay. It's just a problem that people have and we should be helping them fix it, not supporting it.

who says it's a problem? who says it's a choice?

Who says it's not? How often does it happen in the animal kingdom? I'm for equal rights (excluding marriage) but that's all. I totally disagree with all the gayness on TV these days. So many shows throw in the "requisite" gay guy now. And "Queer Eye", oh my God! It's the kind of stuff that can influence a child struggling to find themselves. TV is making it cool to be gay for cryin' out loud!
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: konichiwa
No but you buy an Escalade so that people will say OOH AN ESCALADE HE MUST BE RICH or WOW NICE CAR or whatever. Conspicuous consumption...

O/T
either that, or maybe, just maybe...because they simply like the Escalade...who knows if they were longtime caddy owners/collectors?...to lump *everyone* who buys high dollar items into the status seeking/conspicious consumption bucket seems pretty ignorant, heck I like high dollar fountain pens and watches because of their history, same for high end sports cars and such, does that mean when I buy one I will be a status seeker or rather a conneseaur or enthusiast? who is to say those that spend thousands of dollars on home audio or uber geekish computers are not just buying conspicious consumption when something cheap does the job as well....btw I don't and have never owned or will never buy a caddilac as I don't like them.

with regards to homosexual marriage, I feel it should be union for all under the letter of the Law in the US, homosexual or hetero...
 

Gooberlx2

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I've read alot on here how people don't care what the gay community does, so long as they dont "parade their gayness around in their face".

Well, I have a big feeling that if an amendmant goes through outright banning gay marraige (or using the term marriage)....hell at this point with as much media and coverage as the issue has gotten as of late, if they don't outright formally legalize it (as well as actually call it marriage)....

...then people are going to see the gay community "parade their gayness around in our faces" like they've never seen before, all in protest/activism.

I for one am for gay marraige and calling it marraige. I think too many people play it off as though gay couples don't care about the term. But it has as much meaning to them legally and spiritually as any straight couple. Hell, most of the gay men I've known and met have been more devout in their religion (no, I have not met any catholic priests :p) than most straight people I know.
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: Aztech

Who says it's not? How often does it happen in the animal kingdom? I'm for equal rights (excluding marriage) but that's all. I totally disagree with all the gayness on TV these days. So many shows throw in the "requisite" gay guy now. And "Queer Eye", oh my God! It's the kind of stuff that can influence a child struggling to find themselves. TV is making it cool to be gay for cryin' out loud!

Clearly you've never witnessed dolphins or manatees as they "play" together. Or certains members of the primates....or a ridiculous plethora of other species in the animal kingdom. If anything, the animal kingdom is one big swinging community.
 

JoeKing

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Originally posted by: Aztech
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Aztech
All these people talking about how it doesn't affect them. Of course it does! It's changes in our society and they will impact you and your kids. The "don't care about anything if it doesn't directly affect me" attitude is careless. There are plenty of issues that will affect you down the road, but it's never too soon to fight for what you believe in. It's the same thing with abortion, or social security, or many other issues. Do you guys just say you don't care. Well, by the time you care it may be too late to do anything.

Needless to say, I'm against it. Call it something else, but not marriage. If it's all about choice, than they should choose not to be gay. It's just a problem that people have and we should be helping them fix it, not supporting it.

who says it's a problem? who says it's a choice?

Who says it's not? How often does it happen in the animal kingdom? I'm for equal rights (excluding marriage) but that's all. I totally disagree with all the gayness on TV these days. So many shows throw in the "requisite" gay guy now. And "Queer Eye", oh my God! It's the kind of stuff that can influence a child struggling to find themselves. TV is making it cool to be gay for cryin' out loud!

Tell me then sepcifically how allowing gay marriages will this negativly affect society? So with all of the gay TV shows around you think we should get rid of those. How about all of the shows with black people, or jewish people while were at it. Come to think of it that Telumundo station has been getting very high ratings and making our children Spanish!! Let's get rid of that as well. Thank god we have the TBN network!!!
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Aztech

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Jan 19, 2002
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Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: Aztech

Who says it's not? How often does it happen in the animal kingdom? I'm for equal rights (excluding marriage) but that's all. I totally disagree with all the gayness on TV these days. So many shows throw in the "requisite" gay guy now. And "Queer Eye", oh my God! It's the kind of stuff that can influence a child struggling to find themselves. TV is making it cool to be gay for cryin' out loud!

Clearly you've never witnessed dolphins or manatees as they "play" together. Or certains members of the primates....or a ridiculous plethora of other species in the animal kingdom. If anything, the animal kingdom is one big swinging community.
BS. It rarely happens in the animal kingdom. Usually only when males are held in captivity without females. It's not at all as commonplace as you make it sound. Dolphins are the only other animal that have sex for pleasure, but still, not homosexual sex.
 

Sureshot324

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Originally posted by: Aztech
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Aztech
All these people talking about how it doesn't affect them. Of course it does! It's changes in our society and they will impact you and your kids. The "don't care about anything if it doesn't directly affect me" attitude is careless. There are plenty of issues that will affect you down the road, but it's never too soon to fight for what you believe in. It's the same thing with abortion, or social security, or many other issues. Do you guys just say you don't care. Well, by the time you care it may be too late to do anything.

Needless to say, I'm against it. Call it something else, but not marriage. If it's all about choice, than they should choose not to be gay. It's just a problem that people have and we should be helping them fix it, not supporting it.

who says it's a problem? who says it's a choice?

Who says it's not? How often does it happen in the animal kingdom? I'm for equal rights (excluding marriage) but that's all. I totally disagree with all the gayness on TV these days. So many shows throw in the "requisite" gay guy now. And "Queer Eye", oh my God! It's the kind of stuff that can influence a child struggling to find themselves. TV is making it cool to be gay for cryin' out loud!

It happens all the time in the animal kingdom. What exactly is wrong with homosexuality? What negative effect will it have on society?

Personally I have never heard an argument against gay marriage that didn't sound like bs to me. "Marriage should be an institution between a man and a woman", "Gay marriage is bad for family values". Why should it only be an between a man and a woman? What's wrong with gay families? These points are just made out of uncomfortability towords gay marriage. In fact, being straight, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the idea myself but I really don't see what harm it can cause.
 

Aztech

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Originally posted by: Joeyman
Originally posted by: Aztech
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Aztech
All these people talking about how it doesn't affect them. Of course it does! It's changes in our society and they will impact you and your kids. The "don't care about anything if it doesn't directly affect me" attitude is careless. There are plenty of issues that will affect you down the road, but it's never too soon to fight for what you believe in. It's the same thing with abortion, or social security, or many other issues. Do you guys just say you don't care. Well, by the time you care it may be too late to do anything.

Needless to say, I'm against it. Call it something else, but not marriage. If it's all about choice, than they should choose not to be gay. It's just a problem that people have and we should be helping them fix it, not supporting it.

who says it's a problem? who says it's a choice?

Who says it's not? How often does it happen in the animal kingdom? I'm for equal rights (excluding marriage) but that's all. I totally disagree with all the gayness on TV these days. So many shows throw in the "requisite" gay guy now. And "Queer Eye", oh my God! It's the kind of stuff that can influence a child struggling to find themselves. TV is making it cool to be gay for cryin' out loud!

Tell me then sepcifically how allowing gay marriages will this negativly affect society? So with all of the gay TV shows around you think we should get rid of those. How about all of the shows with black people, or jewish people while were at it. Come to think of it that Telumundo station has been getting very high ratings and making our children Spanish!! Let's get rid of that as well. Thank god we have the TBN network!!!
rolleye.gif
The point is, it's being taken a step further all the time. TV shows like the ones I mentioned are only on because too many people said they didn't care or thta it didn't affect them. Other people, including myself, are trying to draw the line at every juncture as to what is acceptable. It's deviant behavior and has no place in the public eye.

 

JoeKing

Lifer
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Tell me then sepecifically how allowing gay marriages will negativly affect society? Following your line of thinking the only real answer is to get rid of all them GAYS and F AGS huh?
 

CrazyDe1

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I'm not for it or against it but I'm definitely against outlawing it. Bush is an idiot
 

kalster

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It's deviant behavior and has no place in the public eye.


what do you mean public eye, they made marraige legal, not dudes making out on tv or on the streets


its a choice two individuals make, how is it any different or less legal than what a guy and girl do in terms of deviance, why is it deviant at all infact
 

Gooberlx2

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Aztech
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: Aztech

Who says it's not? How often does it happen in the animal kingdom? I'm for equal rights (excluding marriage) but that's all. I totally disagree with all the gayness on TV these days. So many shows throw in the "requisite" gay guy now. And "Queer Eye", oh my God! It's the kind of stuff that can influence a child struggling to find themselves. TV is making it cool to be gay for cryin' out loud!

Clearly you've never witnessed dolphins or manatees as they "play" together. Or certains members of the primates....or a ridiculous plethora of other species in the animal kingdom. If anything, the animal kingdom is one big swinging community.
BS. It rarely happens in the animal kingdom. Usually only when males are held in captivity without females. It's not at all as commonplace as you make it sound. Dolphins are the only other animal that have sex for pleasure, but still, not homosexual sex.

Bonobo Chimps have sex for hierarchy reasons AND pleasure.
It may not happen with the kind of frequency I imply, nor does it happen with the kind of infrequency you imply. And yes, dolphins, in the wild, engage in homosexual acts.
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: DWW
I'm against.

Now hold on. I think them there gays and lesbians should get equal treatment for jobs, tax benefits and so forth. But I'm against them marrying. I think they should invent a new license ...something like "Unions For Ambiguous and Gays Outside Traditions" that allows them the benefits of heterosexuals but I do not think the term "marriage" should be polluted because it comes from a religious sense.

I'm not a homophobe and I've met some gay people before and they aren't all that different of people--they still contribute to society in some ways. But I just think that marriage should be respected as a holy thing in nature. Then again come to think of it, divorce has ruined marriage too. Why not let everyone get married.

They should invent a sort of new marriage license that can only be given by a religious faction, and that can't be broken (divorce). That would be nice for those who don't want the term to lose its value and merit IN THEIR VIEW.

Where does this stop? Are black people not allowed to marry and should there be a "Unions for Colored folk outside traditions". It's this intolerant attitude that is the root of racism and all hatred of things different.

There was a time when people said drinking fountains should be respected as well. If you don't want it to lose merit then keep it sacred for yourself and don't get divorced and don't marry someone gay, don't enforce your beliefs on others.
 

Crypticburn

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Originally posted by: DWW
I'm against.

Now hold on. I think them there gays and lesbians should get equal treatment for jobs, tax benefits and so forth. But I'm against them marrying. I think they should invent a new license ...something like "Unions For Ambiguous and Gays Outside Traditions" that allows them the benefits of heterosexuals but I do not think the term "marriage" should be polluted because it comes from a religious sense.

I'm not a homophobe and I've met some gay people before and they aren't all that different of people--they still contribute to society in some ways. But I just think that marriage should be respected as a holy thing in nature. Then again come to think of it, divorce has ruined marriage too. Why not let everyone get married.

They should invent a sort of new marriage license that can only be given by a religious faction, and that can't be broken (divorce). That would be nice for those who don't want the term to lose its value and merit IN THEIR VIEW.

YEAH DOOD! I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING! SEPERATE BUT EQUAL! SEPERATE BUT EQUAL! LONG LIVE THE IDEA OF SEPERATE BUT EQUAL!

Crypticburn

for those of you who don't get it: the above response was sarcasm. Also, new marriage license only for religious faction? what country are you living in? Your religious faction can all ready hand these out, it does not require government intervention for your religion to do this, please read all documents pertaining to THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.