Poll: Florida requires uploading government ID before accessing porn sites.

[Zorba]

Buy the token from whom? Whoever sells the token has your private information. I suppose the state could set up some sort of official agency to distribute the tokens and keep the private information secret. At least until they get hacked. But even then, what would keep a person under 18 from using the token number of someone who is over 18? You could make it illegal, but the only way to prosecute it would be to get the token ID from the internet provider, then go to the the IP of where it was used from and make sure the legitimate ID holder was in fact there when they supposedly logged on.

I'm not an expert of how to set it up, but I'm pretty sure you can create blind 2FA where neither side knows anything about the other. But especially if you have the token on your computer, your computer already knows what site you are looking at, so if the site sends a request for verification the token would only have to verify "Yes" or "No." The website would have no other information on you.

As for where you get it, should probably be able to get it from the state with your ID. Obviously if you give access to your kids, then it wouldn't stop them but then you are actively giving them access. I would see it being like smart chip badges like the government and many companies use.

But I think you could also have age verifier websites that do similar, you'd just always have to be more considered that there were logs associated with it.

 

[Zorba]

Better yet, bring back Prohibition if they are really serious (of which they ain't) about striking down the temptations of the flesh and moral and religious decay of the mind and spirit. Let's see how that goes down in Florida. How convenient it is that the pompous pious prevaricators of the nation and particularly those of Florida can pick and choose verse that satisfies some political agenda without provoking a mass protest of the Church overstepping it's bounds.

So you are okay with a 9 year-old walking into a porn shop and buying hardcore porn? How about strip clubs? There are a lot of 10 year-olds watching videos of people choking their "step sisters" while fucking them in the ass. It's not like finding your dad's playboys back in the day.

 

[Fenixgoon]

So you are okay with a 9 year-old walking into a porn shop and buying hardcore porn? How about strip clubs? There are a lot of 10 year-olds watching videos of people choking their "step sisters" while fucking them in the ass. It's not like finding your dad's playboys back in the day.

How do you plan on preventing children from accessing that material while not creating a fucking nightmare of a privacy risk?

 

[Zorba]

Sam Alito wants to know if Pornhub has essays by Gore Vidal like Playboy used to.

Justice Alito asks if Pornhub has Playboy-style articles

In a session over Texas' pornography verification laws, Alito asked if Pornhub has material similar to old "Playboy" articles.

www.newsweek.com

It sounds like he overplayed the “Ignorance” card. He gets his adult content from "high-end" sites!! They have all the essays!

While Alito’s question might seem funny, it also creates the impression that only serious essays merit free speech protection, and nothing else, which doesn’t seem to be in line with what the First Amendment actually says. A Supreme Court judge who doesn’t know what the first amendment actually says? If Alito thinks only words are protected free speech, how does he explain his support for Citizens United?

This is why we have a legal age, it is a parents responsibility to safeguard their kids, not the governments. Anyway, kids will find a way to look at porn online. They want an age verification to check and see who is watching porn. Control of a persons life is the "Christian" way of doing things.

It's not just the parents responsibility to prevent kids from buying porn off the internet, retailers are held responsible for age verification. Why should it different online, except that is insanely much harder for a parent to control what online content their kids have access to.

 

[Zorba]

How do you plan on preventing children from accessing that material while not creating a fucking nightmare of a privacy risk?

Already explained it multiple times.

But I'm so sick of this bullshit "We can't regulate anything on the internet because it might be a little hard." We are about to have AGI but what can't figure out anonymous verification? Tech companies have no problems coming up with ways to track and compile ever bit of data of everyone on the planet, but they can't handle basic age verification? Come on.

A quick Duck search shows that there are many third party and anonymous age verification systems already out there. The problems with these laws is they try to purposely make them a privacy nightmare.

ETA: From Duck Chat:

An anonymous age verification system aims to confirm a user's age without collecting personally identifiable information (PII). Here are some potential approaches to achieve this:

1. **Zero-Knowledge Proofs (ZKP)**: This cryptographic method allows one party to prove to another that they know a value (e.g., their age) without revealing the value itself. The user could prove they are over a certain age without disclosing their exact birthdate or any other personal information.

2. **Token-Based Verification**: Users could provide a government-issued ID to a trusted third-party service that verifies their age and issues a time-limited token. This token can be used to access age-restricted content without revealing the user's identity.

3. **Biometric Verification**: Users could use biometric data (like facial recognition) to verify their age. The system would compare the biometric data against a database to confirm age without storing any identifiable information.

4. **Decentralized Identity Solutions**: Using blockchain technology, users could create a digital identity that verifies their age without linking it to their real-world identity. This identity can be used across different platforms while maintaining privacy.

5. **Age Estimation Algorithms**: Some systems might use machine learning algorithms to estimate a user's age based on non-identifiable data (like browsing behavior or interaction patterns). However, this method may not be entirely reliable and could raise ethical concerns.

6. **Third-Party Age Verification Services**: Users could opt to use a third-party service that specializes in age verification. These services can verify age through various means and provide a confirmation without sharing personal details with the requesting site.

7. **User-Provided Information**: Users could be asked to input their birthdate or age, but the system would only check if the user meets the age requirement without storing or processing the actual data.

Each of these methods has its own advantages and challenges, particularly regarding privacy, security, and user experience. The choice of method would depend on the specific requirements of the application and the level of anonymity desired.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Already explained it multiple times.

But I'm so sick of this bullshit "We can't regulate anything on the internet because it might be a little hard." We are about to have AGI but what can't figure out anonymous verification? Tech companies have no problems coming up with ways to track and compile ever bit of data of everyone on the planet, but they can't handle basic age verification? Come on.

A quick Duck search shows that there are many third party and anonymous age verification systems already out there. The problems with these laws is they try to purposely make them a privacy nightmare.

ETA: From Duck Chat:

You think we're about to have AGI? LLMs can't even determine the correct number of Rs in "strawberry"

 

[Zorba]

You think we're about to have AGI? LLMs can't even determine the correct number of Rs in "strawberry"

I'll believe it when I see it, but that is the claim by OpenAI. But that is really beside the point, age verification being a huge problem is just weaponized incompetence.

 

[DaaQ]

Florida law going into effect in a few days. In protest popular sites are just banning access in Florida. Each time you want to access the site upload a copy of your driver's license.

Is this big government overreach and a curtailing of freedoms?

https://www.flcourier.com/news/floridians-will-be-cut-off-from-porn-site-due-to-new-state-law/article_7def27ee-bf76-11ef-be6b-2f3be292b0b7.html

KY already done it.

Only option unless you want to scan your DL # is VPN.

 

[Moonbeam]

Self hate is the cause of mental illness and is almost universal. It causes a person to feel worthless. Feelings of worthlessness make it impossible for people to have sexually healthy relationships. The result is a world full of sexually perverted people.

No worries. All that is lost is the joy of being. Somewhere in the world two beautiful young people may still fall in love and make their lives worth living.

 

[DaaQ]

Self hate is the cause of mental illness and is almost universal. It causes a person to feel worthless. Feelings of worthlessness make it impossible for people to have sexually healthy relationships. The result is a world full of sexually perverted people.

No worries. All that is lost is the joy of being. Somewhere in the world two beautiful young people may still fall in love and make their lives worth living.

WTH are you proposing now?

 

[trenchfoot]

So you are okay with a 9 year-old walking into a porn shop and buying hardcore porn? How about strip clubs? There are a lot of 10 year-olds watching videos of people choking their "step sisters" while fucking them in the ass. It's not like finding your dad's playboys back in the day.

My point was that this ID check scheme is purely politically motivated and that if they were really honest about regulating the moral aspects of their citizenry, they should take things a step further and actually get serious about becoming the state's morality enforcers by making other laws like requiring their residents to quit drinking alcohol just for starters. So in this particular case, it's more of a matter of the state violating the people's rights to privacy by shaming them into compliance and not anything to do with keeping children from corrupting their morals.

In reference to what you're commenting on, It seems to me it's the parent's job to prepare their kids for what to avoid on the 'net, one of which is to keep their children away from viewing porn via parental controls as well as any other means at their disposal to prevent their children from being exposed to media that would expose them to other more horrific things that's so easily accessible on the net.

I see your point, however what you're referring to has, as I see it, nothing to do with the commentary I made in my previous posting. I was sort'a taken aback at what you posted and my first thought was that you meant to respond to someone else's comments.

Apologies to you for not making myself clear on what I wanted to convey back then.

 

[Moonbeam]

WTH are you proposing now?

Doesn't the WTF in your question imply that something about my post pissed you off and that your real intention was to express that rather than any desire for clarification? If you are really interested let me know. The general idea is that in my opinion this debate can only happen among the mentally disturbed, that in a mentally healthy world pornography would not exist. and that debates about whether it should be censored or not would never happen. How do you react to being told you are sick, naturally in my opinion? You can thank me later now that you know and are going to do something about it. If you want to discuss the issue just ask. I won't hold my breath.

 

[Viper1j]

Florida law going into effect in a few days. In protest popular sites are just banning access in Florida. Each time you want to access the site upload a copy of your driver's license.

Is this big government overreach and a curtailing of freedoms?

https://www.flcourier.com/news/floridians-will-be-cut-off-from-porn-site-due-to-new-state-law/article_7def27ee-bf76-11ef-be6b-2f3be292b0b7.html

Like nobody ever heard of a VPN. 🙄

 

[cytg111]

As a resident of Florida, I've been advised that using a VPN MAY get around this restriction (obviously I haven't tried or anything...)

Which means that the next logical step is The Great Firewall of Florida

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

So you are okay with a 9 year-old walking into a porn shop and buying hardcore porn? How about strip clubs? There are a lot of 10 year-olds watching videos of people choking their "step sisters" while fucking them in the ass. It's not like finding your dad's playboys back in the day.

So a) in other parts of the world, stuff like porn is often just 'out' in the open, it's not hidden away in seedy locales.

B) since when did hiding porn ever prevent anyone from finding it? I swear motherfuckers forget what it was like to be a kid.

 

[K1052]

Which means that the next logical step is The Great Firewall of Florida

I prefer this:

 

[Greenman]

Florida law going into effect in a few days. In protest popular sites are just banning access in Florida. Each time you want to access the site upload a copy of your driver's license.

Is this big government overreach and a curtailing of freedoms?

https://www.flcourier.com/news/floridians-will-be-cut-off-from-porn-site-due-to-new-state-law/article_7def27ee-bf76-11ef-be6b-2f3be292b0b7.html

Mississippi has a similar age verification law. I don't if it works or not, but it's there.

 

[brycejones]

Mississippi has a similar age verification law. I don't if it works or not, but it's there.

How effective do you imagine it is when it's really easy to use a VPN?

 

[HomerJS]

Mississippi has a similar age verification law. I don't if it works or not, but it's there.

You haven’t answered the base question. Is this big government overreach and a violation of privacy rights?

 

[Greenman]

You haven’t answered the base question. Is this big government overreach and a violation of privacy rights?

Children shouldn't have access to porn, and I'd like to believe that parents would restrict access to it. But the reality is that often doesn't happen. So while I don't like the state stepping into this, it may be that it's a necessary evil.
Back when we had to visit a seedy theater to watch porn we had to produce an ID to get in, so maybe I'm just used to it.

 

[brycejones]

Children shouldn't have access to porn, and I'd like to believe that parents would restrict access to it. But the reality is that often doesn't happen. So while I don't like the state stepping into this, it may be that it's a necessary evil.
Back when we had to visit a seedy theater to watch porn we had to produce an ID to get in, so maybe I'm just used to it.

Do you believe the method the state has chosen is actually effective?

 

[VRAMdemon]

It's not just the parents responsibility to prevent kids from buying porn off the internet, retailers are held responsible for age verification. Why should it different online, except that is insanely much harder for a parent to control what online content their kids have access to.

Yes, it is hard, but not that hard. With our kids, we did manage to block it on our home/gaming computers and their cell phones with software pretty easily. My children (girls) were not interested in porn anyway. (They are adults now. They can watch whatever the fuck they want). I'm not completely sold on the "age verification" angle for prevention. Pornhub/Redtube did the right thing anyway. They said fuck off and just simply blocked access in all these states. Problem solved right? There are still first amendment rights with these states decisions .Just doing a quick search here in FLA. I came across many porn sites still available with no age verification.

It's interesting these "freedum" states (mostly all red states who want to ban porn) don't give a shit about blocking anything else such as how to acquire guns illegally. How to blow up a school or how to commit a mass shooting, how to join and become a violent white supremacist etc. etc. But! porn, that is corrupting our youth!

 

[K1052]

It's interesting these "freedum" states (mostly all red states who want to ban porn) don't give a shit about blocking anything else such as how to acquire guns illegally. How to blow up a school or how to commit a mass shooting, how to join and become a violent white supremacist etc. etc. But! porn, that is corrupting our youth!

In America essentially any level of violence is entirely acceptable but little Mikey seeing a set of knockers is a bridge too far.

 

[Zorba]

So a) in other parts of the world, stuff like porn is often just 'out' in the open, it's not hidden away in seedy locales.

B) since when did hiding porn ever prevent anyone from finding it? I swear motherfuckers forget what it was like to be a kid.

A) Not that many parts of the world

B) Playboys and penthouses are not at all the same as pornhub. Even hardcore mags didn't have anywhere the violence or incest shown in basic pornhub movies nowadays.

C) Kids still can get tobacco and alcohol, so should we just remove all age checks on that too? Let any kid walk into QuikTrip and buy a pack of Marlboros?

 

[Zorba]

Yes, it is hard, but not that hard. With our kids, we did manage to block it on our home/gaming computers and their cell phones with software pretty easily. My children (girls) were not interested in porn anyway. (They are adults now. They can watch whatever the fuck they want). I'm not completely sold on the "age verification" angle for prevention. Pornhub/Redtube did the right thing anyway. They said fuck off and just simply blocked access in all these states. Problem solved right? There are still first amendment rights with these states decisions .Just doing a quick search here in FLA. I came across many porn sites still available with no age verification.

It's interesting these "freedum" states (mostly all red states who want to ban porn) don't give a shit about blocking anything else such as how to acquire guns illegally. How to blow up a school or how to commit a mass shooting, how to join and become a violent white supremacist etc. etc. But! porn, that is corrupting our youth!

And when every one of their friends carries around a phone with access to porn?

I agree the current batch of laws are bullshit and they aren't effective because they are done at the state level. That doesn't mean premise is bad or wrong. We use age gating for all kinds of things in the real world, it makes no sense that the same doesn't apply online.