Poll - Expected use of the word "stoning"

[EagleKeeper]

As a member of P&N when a phrase uses the word stoning.

 

[Juddog]

You seriously had to create a thread for this?

 

[cybrsage]

Wait, we have three posters in the thread, but only one vote?

 

[Infohawk]

The middle-east part shouldn't really be part of the equation. When it comes to the definition of a word, it doesn't matter what P&N thinks. It matters what the dictionary and encyclopedia says.

 

[SandEagle]

http://www.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Capital_and_corporal_punishment_in_Judaism

Sekila - stoning
This was performed by pushing a person off a height of at least 2 stories. If the person didn't die, then the executioners (the witnesses) brought a rock that was so large that it took both of them to lift it; this was placed on the condemned person to crush them.[ citation needed]

Serefah - burning

This was done by melting lead, and
pouring it down the throat of the
condemned person.

Hereg - decapitation

This is also known as "being put to the
sword" (beheading).

Chenek - strangulation

A rope was wound around the
condemned person's neck, and the
executioners (the witnesses) pulled from
either side to strangle the condemned
person.

that is some medieval shit right there

 

[EagleKeeper]

You seriously had to create a thread for this?

Given that we have people here in P&N that want to play semantics; it will be interesting to see where the line is.

At least two posters are whining abouit this in the original thread that triggered this and in the Mod discussion.

 

[monovillage]

I saw this was something of a controversy in another thread. To me when you said "stoning" or it was used in a story or report it meant a crowd of people performing a type of execution. It wasn't used about someone throwing rocks, but frankly i'd never given it much thought.

 

[Juddog]

Given that we have people here in P&N that want to play semantics; it will be interesting to see where the line is.

At least two posters are whining abouit this in the original thread that triggered this and in the Mod discussion.

Fair enough; I tossed in my vote with the "throwing rocks at someone to kill them in the middle east".

As far as I know, stoning has always been a style of executing where you throw rocks at someone, typically in a public square, until they are dead. A single person throwing a rock isn't stoning, nor is a group of people throwing rocks at someone in order to fight them (e.g. during demonstrations when students hurl rocks & bottles at police). At least that's my knowledge of the subject from what I've heard over the years; I could be wrong.

 

[slayernine]

This was done by melting lead, and
pouring it down the throat of the
condemned person.

Not quite as awesome as pouring molten gold over their entire face. I mean like that is how get rid of undesirables.

 

[Kadarin]

This is stoning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_Du'a_Khalil_Aswad

 

[Juddog]

This is stoning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_Du'a_Khalil_Aswad

Ugh; that's pretty horrible (just watched it on youtube).

Just goes to show you how far religious people can go when religion is unchecked. Religion is really like a disease of the brain in humans, spreading like a virus from one person to another.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Stoning is an execution technique as old as recorded history and no doubt goes back further. This is an unambiguous term.

 

[MotF Bane]

Stoning is an execution technique as old as recorded history and no doubt goes back further. This is an unambiguous term.

This.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I know some people who enjoy getting stoned every day.

 

[JSt0rm]

This is so retarded. The point is there are several meanings and you or a mod dont have the right to remove a title because you dont like the implications of said title.

A article came out today saying 3 were charged with stoning this women.

This just highlights how futile it will be trying to moderate this place.


Keep personal attacks down but moderating political positions or how people shape their thread via infractions and titles changes is WRONG.

 

[skyking]

The media does this all the time. That pisses me off far more than somebody repeating it in a thread.

 

[dank69]

Option 2. However, in the thread in question, a link was provided to an article with 'stoning' in the title, therefore IMO the title change was not warranted.

 

[Ns1]

http://www.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Capital_and_corporal_punishment_in_Judaism





that is some medieval shit right there

 

[RabidMongoose]

The middle-east part shouldn't really be part of the equation. When it comes to the definition of a word, it doesn't matter what P&N thinks. It matters what the dictionary and encyclopedia says.

Great troll. Dictionaries have multiple definitions for a word. Here's the dictionary.com definitions for the verb stone:

24.to throw stones at; drive by pelting with stones.
25.to put to death by pelting with stones.
26.to provide, fit, pave, line, face or fortify with stones.
27.to rub (something) with or on a stone, as to sharpen, polish, or smooth.
28.to remove stones from, as fruit.

 

[kylebisme]

The poll doesn't list my expected meaning on this, Merriam-Webster does:

stone verb

stoned | ston·ing

Definition of STONE

transitive verb

1: to hurl stones at; especially : to kill by pelting with stones

So, in regard to the poll options: both proposed definitions are too narrow, as the target of stoning need not be a person, or even a living creature, and the location of the event is irrelevant.

 

[slayer202]

most of the time you hear "stoned to death" so I voted option 1. though I can see the argument for both

 

[Infohawk]

Another thing the equivalency proponents are missing is that it the throwing of stones was only one small aspect of the news event. It was basically an assault with breaking of windows, tire damage and one person who threw a stone at the end. So to describe the event as a stoning or to say the women was stoned is still incomplete if not misleading.

 

[kylebisme]

Infohawk, where are you getting your account from? Ynet contradicts you:

Dozens of haredim attacked 27-year-old Mashiah on Tuesday as she was putting up posters in Beit Shemesh. They hurled stones at her, poured bleach in her car and spat on her. They continued to attack her as she hid in her car, causing the windshield to shatter. She later tied to escape to a nearby building. "I thought I was going to die," she later said.

"This is a brutal gender-based lynch directed at a woman who was just doing her job," the police representative said in court.

 

[Infohawk]

Infohawk, where are you getting your account from? Ynet contradicts you:

I'm getting it from the article that was actually posted in the thread. You know, the one relevant to whether OP knew he was misleading or not...

 

[woolfe9999]

The most common connotation of the word "stoning" is an execution method. The expression "throw rocks at" is generally used when we're talking about something non lethal in effect and intent. For example, when Palestinian youths throw rocks at IDF troops, I haven't once heard that referred to as "stoning."

Doubtless the OP of that other thread who used the word "stoning" when referring to the actions of Jews would never use it to describe Palestinian actions. I can see that the same poster is now in this thread hawking ancient methods of execution as proof of who knows what. He likely knows that capital punishment is illegal in present day Israel with the sole exception of Nazi war criminals.

I generally agree with Jstorm that this isn't necessarily an issue for moderators. It's more of a caveat emptor for posters. There are certain people here who are just consistently full of shit for one reason or another, and it's pretty clear who they are.

- wolf