Poll:Does the preliminary bench marks of HL2 affect your purchasing decision on a DX9 capable Video card?
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I'm an nV fan, and my GF3 is still a great card for my p3-933. But I'm upgrading soon, and every time I almost convince myself to buy an fx5900 instead of switching to ATI there is another cheat or image-quality hack discovered, with nV responds to with denial, lies, bribes, and/or lawyering.
Now it seems to get acceptable HL2 performance out of the fx nV and valve will have to degrade image quality since the 32-bit shaders are just too slow.
I don't really want an ATI, but this is yet another nudge in that direction.
> You have not stated why you want to stick with Nvidia. Only that it works on your system like a ATI would.
Because the geforce 2, 3, and 4 cards were all great designs with excellent drivers, and I've never had a problem with nV cards. I like them because they've worked well for me, and until the fx5 cards nV was IMHO the better choice for gamers.
Now it seems to get acceptable HL2 performance out of the fx nV and valve will have to degrade image quality since the 32-bit shaders are just too slow.
I don't really want an ATI, but this is yet another nudge in that direction.
> You have not stated why you want to stick with Nvidia. Only that it works on your system like a ATI would.
Because the geforce 2, 3, and 4 cards were all great designs with excellent drivers, and I've never had a problem with nV cards. I like them because they've worked well for me, and until the fx5 cards nV was IMHO the better choice for gamers.
I was already planning on a 9800np (or possibly the impending 9600 Pro replacement). NVIDIA lost my respect back when the 5800 was released and they definitely haven't been working to change that.
Edit: I thought I'd add that I've also been quite happy with my GF3 for almost two years, but it's time for a new card and it's hard to ignore how rosy ATI has been looking of late.
Edit: I thought I'd add that I've also been quite happy with my GF3 for almost two years, but it's time for a new card and it's hard to ignore how rosy ATI has been looking of late.
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You have not stated why you want to stick with Nvidia. Only that it works on your system like a ATI would.
Now if you had to upgrade to a more recent video card, which one would it be?
Sorry for editing the poll for the ones that voted, I thought I could clear up the questions with Ati vs Nvidia fan clubs.
Now if you had to upgrade to a more recent video card, which one would it be?
Sorry for editing the poll for the ones that voted, I thought I could clear up the questions with Ati vs Nvidia fan clubs.
If I was going to buy a high end card right now, I'd get an ati card. It is still possible that nvidia may be able to fix their problems with drivers, but it's far from a sure thing. And currently with ati way ahead in hl2, and about equal to nvidia in all other games, there's no real reason to buy nvidia. But, I'm not going to upgrade now anyway. It looks like my ti4200 will still be able to get around 40fps in hl2, which should be good enough for me (though no cool dx9 features 
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).Yes this has convinced me to get a 9800 Pro tomorrow. I need a new graphics card as the one i have in my main machine is becoming unreliable. I was waiting for any proof as to which card will be better for half life 2, and this although still not final drivers etc its safe to say that the 9800 Pro is the best card for Half Life 2. And its perfermance on Dx8 is on par with the 5900 for most games.
Its a good situation for the consumer to be in NVidia like 3DFX before them were becoming to powerful in the market. If ATi dont have close to half the overall market share and a dominating position in the high end within a year i will be supprised, which is just what we need as the last thing the computing industry needs is another Microsoft / Intel.
Its a good situation for the consumer to be in NVidia like 3DFX before them were becoming to powerful in the market. If ATi dont have close to half the overall market share and a dominating position in the high end within a year i will be supprised, which is just what we need as the last thing the computing industry needs is another Microsoft / Intel.
No the Half Life 2 results willn't influence my future upgrade because I plan on upgrading after christmas and Half Life 2 will be old news by then. With all of my upgrades I will purchase what is the best at the time I upgrade regardless of brand.
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I bought a 9600Pro a few weeks back, so the HL2 situation didn't have much influence on my decision.
However, unlike some, I've never been really impressed with Nvidia's vidcards. It's partially due to my AMDism, that being that the choice of TNT/2 vs VoodooX on the K6-2 was pretty much a no-brainer, VoodooX all the way. After the Athlon came out, Nvidia would have been a good choice, but my lot was cast and I eventually got a Voodoo 5 5500 after a short stint with the Viper 2(Savage 2000, great potential but never realized). FSAA owned me!. By the time the Voodoo 5 5500 became obsolete(HW TnL required in BF1942, NOLF2, etc) ATI was a legitimate player so I went with a Radeon 8500LE. This last year pretty much has been 1 Nvidia muck up after another, which I don't need to expand on, but the recent ballyhoo with Nvidia and various benchmarks and games used as benchmarks made me not even trust anything concerning FX "performance".
As long as Nvidias' vidcard capers don't touch their chipsets, there will always be a space for them in my future systems, but it'll be a longtime before I consider one of their video cards.
However, unlike some, I've never been really impressed with Nvidia's vidcards. It's partially due to my AMDism, that being that the choice of TNT/2 vs VoodooX on the K6-2 was pretty much a no-brainer, VoodooX all the way. After the Athlon came out, Nvidia would have been a good choice, but my lot was cast and I eventually got a Voodoo 5 5500 after a short stint with the Viper 2(Savage 2000, great potential but never realized). FSAA owned me!. By the time the Voodoo 5 5500 became obsolete(HW TnL required in BF1942, NOLF2, etc) ATI was a legitimate player so I went with a Radeon 8500LE. This last year pretty much has been 1 Nvidia muck up after another, which I don't need to expand on, but the recent ballyhoo with Nvidia and various benchmarks and games used as benchmarks made me not even trust anything concerning FX "performance".
As long as Nvidias' vidcard capers don't touch their chipsets, there will always be a space for them in my future systems, but it'll be a longtime before I consider one of their video cards.
well, if nvidia strayed from the dx9 standard and any game that utilizes pixel shaders 2.0 (including doom3 & STALKER, albeit the latter has nvidia as a technical partner so it better perform good on nvidia cards!!!!!) does'nt run as well as a result, then i think future upgrades are a no brainer. I've never understood "fan boys". I went from a gf3 (kickass card) to a 9700pro (also a kick ass card) simply because it was the better product on the market.
Let technology and innovation decide what ppl are gonna buy, not some unfounded loyalty to the company wherein consumers buy mediocre products simply because they're fans. If u do that u're just encouraging the company to be more lazy and produce lackluster hardware as opposed to staying on their toes and producing competitive products.
Let technology and innovation decide what ppl are gonna buy, not some unfounded loyalty to the company wherein consumers buy mediocre products simply because they're fans. If u do that u're just encouraging the company to be more lazy and produce lackluster hardware as opposed to staying on their toes and producing competitive products.
To be honest, with the possibility of the game if not the benchmark of HL2 coming out on September 30th, nvidia should have drivers ready for it now and be available to the public. Releasing drivers on the net on the same day as something releases doesn't impress me to be honest because it just adds extra hassle and it would be far better for everyone to have that little bit of time to let the drivers settle, etc. After all, the game has been in development for the last 5 years, and I doubt that the rendering code has changed all that much in the last couple of months.
Also, I find the statement that nvidia wasn't allowed to use proper drivers completely invalid. They were forced to use release drivers just like ATI and not beta drivers...... what more of a proper driver do you want?
I think its fair for Valve to say not to use those drivers because they do not render properly and could hence effect the scores.
Also, I find the statement that nvidia wasn't allowed to use proper drivers completely invalid. They were forced to use release drivers just like ATI and not beta drivers...... what more of a proper driver do you want?
I think its fair for Valve to say not to use those drivers because they do not render properly and could hence effect the scores.
Amdmb's early review of the Det 50's shows a synthetic PS2.0 performance gain of about 25%. That is a good increase (assuming that it doesn't compromise IQ) but in HL2 it would still leave the 5600U unplayable and the 5900U behind the 9600P.
Yeah, I've seen that, but notice how in the 3DMark section, even though the pixel shader performance is up, the Game Test 4 performance (where pixel shaders is used the most) is down
I did test of my own with two geforce 4 ti cards (msi g4ti4400 and gainward 64mb ti 4200) when they came out (against my 8500LE) and with all the games I played (about 15) and with my favorite res (1024x768) and favorite IQ settings (2xaa and 8xaf) I sold both of the g4 cards and kept the 8500. I've also owned some other nvidia cards (g2gts, g2mx400), and nvidia was crap then, they are now even worse and morally can't be justified.
I've now owned a 9700pro and 9800pro and won't buy nvidia ever-it's a catagorical imperitive to not buy their cards.
So my choice in the poll was obvious.
Who would buy "jamican blue mountain" and pay the price $40pound when they know they are getting "guatamalan" $9 a pound?
Rogo
I've now owned a 9700pro and 9800pro and won't buy nvidia ever-it's a catagorical imperitive to not buy their cards.
So my choice in the poll was obvious.
Who would buy "jamican blue mountain" and pay the price $40pound when they know they are getting "guatamalan" $9 a pound?
Rogo
Right now I'm keeping my ti4600 and will upgrade spring or fall of 2004. Both ati and nvidia are potential candidates
Had a 9700 PRO upgraded to a 9800 PRO 2 weeks ago and helped a friend out in the process now we are both prepared for HL2 and Halo for the PC.
I'm returning my new unopened GeForce 5900 Ultra. Next week Saturday is the last day to return this thing.
IMO the management at Nvidia doesn't have their act together, don't care, or don't have competitive skills. Or all three. They got blind sided on this and they are probably in damage control mode. Not a good place to be when trying to manufacture QUALITY products. Updated drivers aside, there is no reason for me to keep their top of the line card for results like this. Even though I purchased this card on sale at $400, I am expecting Nvidia (or any company for that matter at this price) to take "care" of it's product during it's life. To take 'care' of it's products the company must have an excellent managemt team. IMO this is Nvidia's REAL problem and that is what needs to be addressed. They need a shake up in management.
This doesn't mean I'm jumping to ATI as I'm sure they have their managemt issues too. That said, I also believe they have worked better as a management team. It shows in their products and how they position their products in the market.
For now and the next 3 months, I'm waiting until all this dust settles.
IMO the management at Nvidia doesn't have their act together, don't care, or don't have competitive skills. Or all three. They got blind sided on this and they are probably in damage control mode. Not a good place to be when trying to manufacture QUALITY products. Updated drivers aside, there is no reason for me to keep their top of the line card for results like this. Even though I purchased this card on sale at $400, I am expecting Nvidia (or any company for that matter at this price) to take "care" of it's product during it's life. To take 'care' of it's products the company must have an excellent managemt team. IMO this is Nvidia's REAL problem and that is what needs to be addressed. They need a shake up in management.
This doesn't mean I'm jumping to ATI as I'm sure they have their managemt issues too. That said, I also believe they have worked better as a management team. It shows in their products and how they position their products in the market.
For now and the next 3 months, I'm waiting until all this dust settles.
Then you are doomed for a surprise. Even if Nvidia looses 100% of its market share, ATI will still not reach near 50%, and that is just purely not going to happen. Currently ATI has around 20% of the market, and not anywhere NEAR close to the numbers you suggest. For your own reference, be aware that even Nvidia doesn't have 40% (around 30 IIRC). In case you're wondering then where the reason of the market is - majority of the remained (the closest company to 50% is Intel.
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