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Originally posted by: reitz
outriding,

You might want to double-check that information. It's complete bullsh!t.


A nationwide database of gun ownership would be populated by legal gun sales, since it's impossible to track the illegal sales. How many terrorists legally purchase weapons? How would a nationwide database of legal gun purchases prevent someone from committing a crime or an act of terrorism with an illegally-purchased gun?

really you read the manual. did you read the

THE PART ON HOW TO BUY GUNS IN THE US ?
 
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: reitz
DaveSohmer,

Do our current gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

that right there pisses me off.

i saw on tv the other day when rumsfeild or ashcroft ( or one of them ) had an al queda terrorist handbook.

and he talks on some of the ways on how terrorists are being trained. what he fails to mention in the book on how terrorists can buy guns in the US just over the counter

without a waiting period or really no identifcation needed. along with that the NRA is prohibting the gun owner database to be used in helping to identify potental terorists

but wire taps, emails, and etc are alright. i think the gun control laws need to be thoughly overhauled without the NRA's intervention.

Dumbass. The terrorists on 9/11 didn't use a single gun.

so are you saying that terrorists never use guns ? just because one time they did not use a gun doesn't mean they dont buy them. dumbass

The current hysteria is all based on the 9/11 hijackings. Guns are a direct means of killing, you can see who's shooting at you, and I think terrorists will avoid those. My guess is they'd prefer bombs, bio, chem, etc.

Gun laws will not stop any terrorism in this country. Dumbass.
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: reitz
DaveSohmer,

Do our current gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

that right there pisses me off.

i saw on tv the other day when rumsfeild or ashcroft ( or one of them ) had an al queda terrorist handbook.

and he talks on some of the ways on how terrorists are being trained. what he fails to mention in the book on how terrorists can buy guns in the US just over the counter

without a waiting period or really no identifcation needed. along with that the NRA is prohibting the gun owner database to be used in helping to identify potental terorists

but wire taps, emails, and etc are alright. i think the gun control laws need to be thoughly overhauled without the NRA's intervention.

Dumbass. The terrorists on 9/11 didn't use a single gun.

so are you saying that terrorists never use guns ? just because one time they did not use a gun doesn't mean they dont buy them. dumbass

The current hysteria is all based on the 9/11 hijackings. Guns are a direct means of killing, you can see who's shooting at you, and I think terrorists will avoid those. My guess is they'd prefer bombs, bio, chem, etc.

Gun laws will not stop any terrorism in this country. Dumbass.

i never said it would stop terrorism in the US. i think they could use it as a tool to help track down terrorists. so are you saying that terrorists never owned any guns ?

 
The system we are talking about here would be designed to flag purchases like the ones I noted in my first post. Not prevent people from buying those items, simply raising a flag when an unusual transaction occurs for specific items.
Right. And how many terrorists are going to make legal purchases once this system is in place? How many of those intending to commit a crime or an act of terrorism using a firearm purchase it legally? See the similarities?

If terrorists know that a purchase of 1000 pounds of ammonium nitrate is going to raise a red flag somewhere, then why would they legally purchase said ammonium nitrate? This database, should it be implemented, is only going to push terrorism-related purchases to the black market. The only way it could be affective in preventing terrorism is if the existence of the database is kept secret...and the implications of that are even more frightening than the original proposal.



Here's another analogy: Let's create a nationwide database of all firearm transactions, in order to flag suspicious purchases. How much of an impact on gun violence should we expect? How many acts of gun violence would it prevent? Would the end result be worth trampling on the rights of millions of law-abiding American citizens?
 
I trust the Bush to continue to implement laws, rules and agencies designed to reduce or eliminate many of our Constitutional guarantees.
  • Why is John Poindexter, a convicted liar, gun runner to the Ayatolah, and dark ops Contra supporter, doing anything for or with this administration?
I also trust them to watch out for the big money interests that bought their way into office and shield them from criminal prosecution.

Dick Cheyney --

[*]What were you doing in those closed meetings with Enron and other energy execs proven to have ripped us off?
[*]Why aren't you being charged like the Enron and WorldCom execs for your activities as CEO of Haliburton?[/list]

Harvey Pitt -- Before your cover was blown,
  • What made you think a former lawyer for disgraced Wall Street brokers could be an effective, let alone unbiased, regulator of that disgraced bunch of thieves?
  • Why did you think it was OK to conceal gross conflicts of interest in your nominee to head the new oversight agency?
Mistah Bush-Lite --
  • What great executive thinking makes you think we should have any confidence in your presidency?
  • Why is it that the group that "investigated" and "cleared" you of involvement in your own questionable business activites was nothing more than a bunch of your own close political buddies?
  • What tortured logic makes you think further tax cuts primarily targeted at the very wealthy is a good way to pay for your separate warS (plural) on terrorism and Saddam while meeting the basic needs of our own citizens for education, infrastructure, etc.

    P.S. You're an intellectual featherweight. The word is pronounced Nu_Cle_Ar, idiot! 😛
Do I trust the Bush administration? HELL, NO! :disgust:
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And you thought Clinton was bad for chasing skirts and lying about it.
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And you thought Clinton was bad for chasing skirts and lying about it.
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I thought Clinton was bad for accepting illegal(?) campaign contributions from Chinese nationals, for renting out the Lincoln bedroom, for opposing campaign finance reform, for giving secret rocket and communications technology to the Chinese, for slashing the military and simultaneously increasing deployment around the world, and for accomplishing next to friggin' nothing as the leader of our country.

As bad as I believe Clinton was, though, the damage Bush is doing to this country is going to last a lot longer.
 
reitz -- I agree with everything you said. I was just making a point because Clinton's sexual antics are all most people remember. Looks like you got my point. 😉
 
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: reitz
DaveSohmer,

Do our current gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

that right there pisses me off.

i saw on tv the other day when rumsfeild or ashcroft ( or one of them ) had an al queda terrorist handbook.

and he talks on some of the ways on how terrorists are being trained. what he fails to mention in the book on how terrorists can buy guns in the US just over the counter

without a waiting period or really no identifcation needed. along with that the NRA is prohibting the gun owner database to be used in helping to identify potental terorists

but wire taps, emails, and etc are alright. i think the gun control laws need to be thoughly overhauled without the NRA's intervention.

Dumbass. The terrorists on 9/11 didn't use a single gun.

so are you saying that terrorists never use guns ? just because one time they did not use a gun doesn't mean they dont buy them. dumbass

The current hysteria is all based on the 9/11 hijackings. Guns are a direct means of killing, you can see who's shooting at you, and I think terrorists will avoid those. My guess is they'd prefer bombs, bio, chem, etc.

Gun laws will not stop any terrorism in this country. Dumbass.

i never said it would stop terrorism in the US. i think they could use it as a tool to help track down terrorists. so are you saying that terrorists never owned any guns ?

So are you saying anybody who owns a gun is a potential terrorist?
 
Anyone can come up with a long laundry list of crap for every politician known to man. One could look at the last election to tell whether or not the American people trust the Bush Administration. Seems to me that it was a pretty clear indication of trust in what has been done and will be done in future.


reitz - Would you kindly point out the long lasting damage that has been done?


Farmall
 
Originally posted by: Farmall
Anyone can come up with a long laundry list of crap for every politician known to man. One could look at the last election to tell whether or not the American people trust the Bush Administration. Seems to me that it was a pretty clear indication of trust in what has been done and will be done in future.


reitz - Would you kindly point out the long lasting damage that has been done?


Farmall

I'm sure if you'd asked the people of Russia to ask what "long-lasting damage" had been done right after the Communist revolution, they wouldn't have been able to point any specifics. Abuses of power occur over time, as not to alert the majority of the people.
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: reitz
DaveSohmer,

Do our current gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

that right there pisses me off.

i saw on tv the other day when rumsfeild or ashcroft ( or one of them ) had an al queda terrorist handbook.

and he talks on some of the ways on how terrorists are being trained. what he fails to mention in the book on how terrorists can buy guns in the US just over the counter

without a waiting period or really no identifcation needed. along with that the NRA is prohibting the gun owner database to be used in helping to identify potental terorists

but wire taps, emails, and etc are alright. i think the gun control laws need to be thoughly overhauled without the NRA's intervention.

Dumbass. The terrorists on 9/11 didn't use a single gun.

so are you saying that terrorists never use guns ? just because one time they did not use a gun doesn't mean they dont buy them. dumbass

The current hysteria is all based on the 9/11 hijackings. Guns are a direct means of killing, you can see who's shooting at you, and I think terrorists will avoid those. My guess is they'd prefer bombs, bio, chem, etc.

Gun laws will not stop any terrorism in this country. Dumbass.

i never said it would stop terrorism in the US. i think they could use it as a tool to help track down terrorists. so are you saying that terrorists never owned any guns ?

So are you saying anybody who owns a gun is a potential terrorist?


no i am saying not all gun owners are terrorists but all terrorists are gun owners ( even if they aquired them from a gun dealer or the black market ).
 
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: reitz
DaveSohmer,

Do our current gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

that right there pisses me off.

i saw on tv the other day when rumsfeild or ashcroft ( or one of them ) had an al queda terrorist handbook.

and he talks on some of the ways on how terrorists are being trained. what he fails to mention in the book on how terrorists can buy guns in the US just over the counter

without a waiting period or really no identifcation needed. along with that the NRA is prohibting the gun owner database to be used in helping to identify potental terorists

but wire taps, emails, and etc are alright. i think the gun control laws need to be thoughly overhauled without the NRA's intervention.

Dumbass. The terrorists on 9/11 didn't use a single gun.

so are you saying that terrorists never use guns ? just because one time they did not use a gun doesn't mean they dont buy them. dumbass

The current hysteria is all based on the 9/11 hijackings. Guns are a direct means of killing, you can see who's shooting at you, and I think terrorists will avoid those. My guess is they'd prefer bombs, bio, chem, etc.

Gun laws will not stop any terrorism in this country. Dumbass.

i never said it would stop terrorism in the US. i think they could use it as a tool to help track down terrorists. so are you saying that terrorists never owned any guns ?

So are you saying anybody who owns a gun is a potential terrorist?


no i am saying not all gun owners are terrorists but all terrorists are gun owners ( even if they aquired them from a gun dealer or the black market ).

There is our sweeping generalization of the day. Contrary to what you may think, not ALL terrorists are gun nuts. Oliver North used a pen.
 
Originally posted by: kevin000
Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: DonaldC
I've never totally trusted any administration but this one seems more moral than the last.
Moral? If you're talking about not "having relations" with an intern in the Oval Office, then you might have a point.

How does a President's sexual conduct, though, have anything to do with how well he leads the nation?

Easy, Clinton was able to kill Osama but he hesitated with his orders. Basically, he was getting "special kisses" and didn't want to be bothered...

Hindsight's always 20/20...
 
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: reitz
DaveSohmer,

Do our current gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

that right there pisses me off.

i saw on tv the other day when rumsfeild or ashcroft ( or one of them ) had an al queda terrorist handbook.

and he talks on some of the ways on how terrorists are being trained. what he fails to mention in the book on how terrorists can buy guns in the US just over the counter

without a waiting period or really no identifcation needed. along with that the NRA is prohibting the gun owner database to be used in helping to identify potental terorists

but wire taps, emails, and etc are alright. i think the gun control laws need to be thoughly overhauled without the NRA's intervention.

Dumbass. The terrorists on 9/11 didn't use a single gun.

so are you saying that terrorists never use guns ? just because one time they did not use a gun doesn't mean they dont buy them. dumbass

The current hysteria is all based on the 9/11 hijackings. Guns are a direct means of killing, you can see who's shooting at you, and I think terrorists will avoid those. My guess is they'd prefer bombs, bio, chem, etc.

Gun laws will not stop any terrorism in this country. Dumbass.

i never said it would stop terrorism in the US. i think they could use it as a tool to help track down terrorists. so are you saying that terrorists never owned any guns ?

So are you saying anybody who owns a gun is a potential terrorist?


no i am saying not all gun owners are terrorists but all terrorists are gun owners ( even if they aquired them from a gun dealer or the black market ).

Wow. I hope you gave your credibility one last kiss, because it just walked out the door.
 
Is the continuous misuse of nested quoting driving anyone else crazy? Following this thread is giving me a headache.
 
I will trust the Bush administration until they give me reason not to. At this time they have not given me any reason not to trust them.


JellyBaby
Yes, the nested quotes are greatly overused and annoying.
 
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
So appointing a criminal to a national security position is a trust worthy action?

This still enfuriates me. I don't know how anyone managed to let this one pass.
 
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