Poll: Do you trust the Bush Administration?

reitz

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Reasons such as this one, among many others, are why I do not.

How many of you can honestly say you trust the Bush regime to put your best interests, as American citizens, first?
 

DonaldC

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I've never totally trusted any administration but this one seems more moral than the last.
 

Czar

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interesting... will the same people who trust him for this agency trust the next administration with this agency?
 

reitz

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Originally posted by: DonaldC
I've never totally trusted any administration but this one seems more moral than the last.
Moral? If you're talking about not "having relations" with an intern in the Oval Office, then you might have a point.

How does a President's sexual conduct, though, have anything to do with how well he leads the nation?
 

Lucky

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it should be pointed out that this is _not_ a reality yet and it would be several years away from implementation. the hubbub is coming about because $10 million is being spent to study its possible large scale use.
 

vi edit

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I dunno. Maybe I've watched too many X-Files episodes and conspiracy theories, but who says that the president has much control over a lot of this? And, how do we know that it's not already being done to some extent, and this is just making it "acceptable"?
 

reitz

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Originally posted by: Lucky
it should be pointed out that this is _not_ a reality yet and it would be several years away from implementation. the hubbub is coming about because $10 million is being spent to study its possible large scale use.
Why should a database like this even be considered? Do you honestly believe that a database of all American consumer purchases will do a fucking thing to prevent terrorism?

 

BoberFett

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No politician can ever be trusted. The fact that they've made a CAREER out of telling us how we should all live our lives disturbs me.

We need single term limits for all public servants. There should never be the chance for a person to "learn how the system works" because that means they'll just use it to their advantage.
 

BatmanNate

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No. Anyone who would appoint John Poindexter as the head of some Orwellian goverment agency in the name of security falls in my "Things that I would trust less than a venomous serpant" category. I didn't trust the last administration either, but at least it was harmless.
 

Kevin

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Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: DonaldC
I've never totally trusted any administration but this one seems more moral than the last.
Moral? If you're talking about not "having relations" with an intern in the Oval Office, then you might have a point.

How does a President's sexual conduct, though, have anything to do with how well he leads the nation?

Easy, Clinton was able to kill Osama but he hesitated with his orders. Basically, he was getting "special kisses" and didn't want to be bothered...
 

Amused

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I never trust any government 100%.

But I trust this one just a bit more than the last one, and that includes the homeland defense outrage.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Clinton got a hummer.
I didnt like it

Clinton may have used the FBI to gather information on a few hundred

I didn't like it


Now under Bush's watch, something like this is being contemplated.

No sir, I like it a lot less than both of the above.


The President's policies create this. If the administration was one where heads would roll for this kind of thinking, this would not happen. Bad as Clinton was morally, this is another kind of thing entirely. According to this site this department was not created while Bill was getting pleased by Monica. No, I am no longer at ease with this administration if they allow this kind of thinking.
 

Lucky

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Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: Lucky
it should be pointed out that this is _not_ a reality yet and it would be several years away from implementation. the hubbub is coming about because $10 million is being spent to study its possible large scale use.
Why should a database like this even be considered? Do you honestly believe that a database of all American consumer purchases will do a fucking thing to prevent terrorism?



I never said it should. :) Just pointing out something that the alarmists seems to be glossing over.
 

reitz

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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Clinton got a hummer.
I didnt like it

Clinton may have used the FBI to gather information on a few hundred

I didn't like it


Now under Bush's watch, something like this is being contemplated.

No sir, I like it a lot less than both of the above.


The President's policies create this. If the administration was one where heads would roll for this kind of thinking, this would not happen. Bad as Clinton was morally, this is another kind of thing entirely. According to <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.darpa.mil/iao/TIASystems.htm" target=blank>this site</A> this department was not created while Bill was getting pleased by Monica. No, I am no longer at ease with this administration if they allow this kind of thinking.
Clinton took illegal(?) campaign contributions from Chinese nationals. Clinton rolled over and gave the Chinese secret rocket and communications technology. Clinton blew up an aspirin factory in "retaliation" for the attack on the USS Cole. Clinton took no real action against a clear and credible terrorist threat.

In spite of all of that, in spite of how much I despise that POS, I trusted his administration much more than the current one (though at the time I never would have thought it possible). Such is the sad state of American affairs.
 

reitz

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Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: Lucky
it should be pointed out that this is _not_ a reality yet and it would be several years away from implementation. the hubbub is coming about because $10 million is being spent to study its possible large scale use.
Why should a database like this even be considered? Do you honestly believe that a database of all American consumer purchases will do a fucking thing to prevent terrorism?



I never said it should. :) Just pointing out something that the alarmists seems to be glossing over.
I don't think it is alarmist to make a big deal out of Poindexter's plans. The simple fact that they are even being considered steps way over the line.
 

vi edit

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) provides focused warnings within an hour after a triggering event occurs or an evidence threshold is passed; (3) can automatically queue analysts based on partial pattern matches and has patterns that cover 90% of all previously known foreign terrorist attacks; and, (4) supports collaboration, analytical reasoning and information sharing so that analysts can hypothesize, test and propose theories and mitigating strategies about possible futures, so decision-makers can effectively evaluate the impact of current or future policies and prospective courses of action

Translation:

Terrorist steals your identity from one of many ways and gets a credit card in your name, with your address on it.

100 hours in a flight simulator - $12,000
Receives wire transfer of $50,000 from known terrorist to your account
Cost of one way plane ticket from Atlanta to Boston - $150
The look on your face when a full swat team surrounds your home - Priceless.
 

Electrode

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vi_edit said it quite well.

I have no faith whatsoever in the current administration. I am just holding on to a glimmer of hope that, in 2004, the Democrats will be able to make people aware of what is happening and put a stop to it before it's too late.

Plan B of course, is already in motion. I've been looking at real estate in Canada pretty much ever since the spy plane in China thing. No way I'm staying on THIS sinking ship! :Q
 

sinunbeso

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Though clinton got a little more than he shoud, he is a good president judging by what he did to the country. Bush is just a liar with no shame whatsoever.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Electrode
vi_edit said it quite well.

I have no faith whatsoever in the current administration. I am just holding on to a glimmer of hope that, in 2004, the Democrats will be able to make people aware of what is happening and put a stop to it before it's too late.

Plan B of course, is already in motion. I've been looking at real estate in Canada pretty much ever since the spy plane in China thing. No way I'm staying on THIS sinking ship! :Q

Why wait? Please move now.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: sinunbeso
Though clinton got a little more than he shoud, he is a good president judging by what he did to the country. Bush is just a liar with no shame whatsoever.

What exactly did Clinton do for the country again? I'm pretty sure Clinton did things for Clinton. Is life so much more wonderful than it was in 1992?
 

woodie1

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Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: DonaldC
I've never totally trusted any administration but this one seems more moral than the last.
Moral? If you're talking about not "having relations" with an intern in the Oval Office, then you might have a point.

How does a President's sexual conduct, though, have anything to do with how well he leads the nation?

Nowhere did that post say anything about sexual conduct. You, sir, made that distinction.

There are the sales of secrets to the Chinese, Cabinet members that were indited and/or resigned for being sleazes, cutting our military forces to the bone, half-hearted attempts to rid the planet of Islamic terrorists, ad nauseam.