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For civil engineering: you don't really need a degree. If you work under a registered professional engineer for 6 years you can take the PE exam. But before that you have to take EIT (Engineer in Training) exam. An accredited degree just shaves 4 years off from that. This is in CA.

For other fields: the term "engineer" is so widely used... I don't really care anymore just as long as people with blue collar jobs don't call themselves "engineers", like "sanitary engineer".
 
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
For civil engineering: you don't really need a degree. If you work under a registered professional engineer for 6 years you can take the PE exam. But before that you have to take EIT (Engineer in Training) exam. An accredited degree just shaves 4 years off from that. This is in CA.

For other fields: the term "engineer" is so widely used... I don't really care anymore just as long as people with blue collar jobs don't call themselves "engineers", like "sanitary engineer".

Wouldn't you call a guy who works in construction a "blue collar worker"?

What if he's the engineer who designed the structure and gets his hands dirty as part of the job working on the project?
 
I don't like saying you need a PE because many types of engineers have absolutely no reason to ever get one. Their fields simply don't require it.

I also don't like how easily abused the title is - "sanitation engineer", "electronics engineering technology", and stuff like that.
 
The debate isn't really whether you can be an engineer without an engineering degree. It's about what field qualifies you to be a true engineer. For example, some people don't consider computer programmers to be engineers and some people do.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Considering the Mars Probe crashed because the designers confused meters with feet, apparently you don't even need to be a rocket scientist to be a Rocket Scientist.

Either that or no one at Lockheed labeled their numbers. NASA scientists, being scientists, work in metric, and they assumed that the numbers they were getting would be metric instead of the archaic English system. When you're expecting the thrust numbers to be in Newtons, program accordingly, but the numbers aren't Newtons, bad things happen. The Mars Climate Orbiter skimmed right into the atmosphere and got drug down.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Answer to OP: No

Oh, and there is only one Engineer! 😉




And real engineers, intelligently plan out 'enhanced' abbreviation of mortgage amortization to include the power (given by only one piece of paper.....DEED/TITLE) to tell the said job in question to go $#!@#%~@ their !@#%~# & stick it up their !@#$%~%$ with a stick bent at a 41' angle (82' included) to comply w/ Boeing's requirements for recessed fasteners & flush-mount that mother %!#$%! right up the ole' !$!^%!%$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

😀😎

Sorry........just had to..........juuuuuust had to!! :beer:
 
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Originally posted by: Engineer
Answer to OP: No

Oh, and there is only one Engineer! 😉




And real engineers, intelligently plan out 'enhanced' abbreviation of mortgage amortization to include the power (given by only one piece of paper.....DEED/TITLE) to tell the said job in question to go $#!@#%~@ their !@#%~# & stick it up their !@#$%~%$ with a stick bent at a 41' angle (82' included) to comply w/ Boeing's requirements for recessed fasteners & flush-mount that mother %!#$%! right up the ole' !$!^%!%$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

😀😎

Sorry........just had to..........juuuuuust had to!! :beer:


:laugh:

:beer:
 
Engineering |= profession

To officially become a member of a professional body you are required to take a licensure examination and hold the required credentials. You are a "real" doctor because the AMA says you are a doctor; you are a real "lawyer" because the [insert state] Bar Association says you are a lawyer; and you are a "real" massage therapist because your state's licensing board says you are. AFAIK there are no engineering licensure qualifications, making it a general descriptor of a generalized field of work, not a profession. Therefore, there is no such thing as a "real" engineer. Any engineers making the claim have over-inflated images of themselves.

Your friends are "engineering snobs," not "real engineers."
 
Originally posted by: preslove
Engineering |= profession

To officially become a member of a professional body you are required to take a licensure examination and hold the required credentials. You are a "real" doctor because the AMA says you are a doctor; you are a real "lawyer" because the [insert state] Bar Association says you are a lawyer; and you are a "real" massage therapist because your state's licensing board says you are. AFAIK there are no engineering licensure qualifications, making it a general descriptor of a generalized field of work, not a profession. Therefore, there is no such thing as a "real" engineer. Any engineers making the claim have over-inflated images of themselves.

Your friends are "engineering snobs," not "real engineers."


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Originally posted by: preslove
Engineering |= profession

To officially become a member of a professional body you are required to take a licensure examination and hold the required credentials. You are a "real" doctor because the AMA says you are a doctor; you are a real "lawyer" because the [insert state] Bar Association says you are a lawyer; and you are a "real" massage therapist because your state's licensing board says you are. AFAIK there are no engineering licensure qualifications, making it a general descriptor of a generalized field of work, not a profession. Therefore, there is no such thing as a "real" engineer. Any engineers making the claim have over-inflated images of themselves.

Your friends are "engineering snobs," not "real engineers."


There is the Professional Engineer exam, but AFAIK the only ones who have any reason to get it are the ones who must put their stamp of approval on public structures like buildings, highways, etc.
 
A degree means nothing by itself. Someone without a degree could be smarter. In fact I have quite a bit of confidence that I'd be just fine without a degree in Computer Science (provided my employer only looked at my interview quiz and not my degrees). I still think I'll pursue one anyway as it is my Major and it shows you put forth the effort which might be more important to some employers than others.
 

Like any other occupation, you can learn what you need to know through "real world" practice and experience. That said, the faster and easier way to learn engineering's underlying fundamentals is through a college degree program. A degree is certainly no guarantee that you know your stuff, but it's taken as a strong indicator by employers who often make it a job requirement.

To be an "official" engineer -- at least in the eyes of the government -- you need to acquire a professional engineering license (PE). The license requirements vary some from state to state, but generally require an applicant to:
  • pass an engineer in training exam (EIT), which is a test on fundamental theory material like physics, thermal, chemistry, etc..
  • acquire engineering-related work experience and/or advanced course work.
  • pass a professional engineering exam (PE) for your given field; this test consists problems that test your ability to apply engineering knowledge to real world problems
Many states also have some continuing education requirements for license renewals.

Again, a PE is no guarantee that you know your stuff. But you are not allowed to sell your services directly to customers as an "engineer" without one. Working as an employee is a different matter. You really don't need one to help design that highway bridge, but someone in your company with a PE will have to vouch for the design when finished.

IMHO graduating engineers should strongly consider taking the EIT soon. It gets harder to remember all those fundamentals as years go by. You'll be better prepared if your career takes you in a direction where a PE is highly desirable. Having a PE also keeps more options open down the road.

All that said, the OP is certainly welcome to call himself a "network engineer". This isn't one of the recognized (licensable) engineering specialties. As others have quipped, there are no IT positions that have anything to do with traditional engineering. I'm NOT saying that the OP's job isn't difficult or challenging, but see why his friends tell him he's not a "real engineer".


 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: 3NF
The only thing a degree proves is that you were able to balance sex/booze with your studies.

I've never drank a drop! 😀

(seriously).

You're kidding, right? You're telling me you didn't get drunk and screw random chicks while in college? That's what it is all about!! 🙂

Note - my major was Physics and it's not an easy major, but I didn't make my college experience all about that. Weekends were about sniffing strange poontang 🙂
 
Originally posted by: 3NF
Again, the title doesn't matter - it's all about what you provide to society

Lawyers - :thumbsdown: - worthless

so you'd rather have your trial in the hands of the judge and jury only...with no lgal knowledge to defend yourself for something you did not do?
 
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: 3NF
The only thing a degree proves is that you were able to balance sex/booze with your studies.

I've never drank a drop! 😀

(seriously).

You're kidding, right? You're telling me you didn't get drunk and screw random chicks while in college? That's what it is all about!! 🙂


No, I'm not kidding. Oh, and I had a blast in college.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: 3NF
The only thing a degree proves is that you were able to balance sex/booze with your studies.

I've never drank a drop! 😀

(seriously).

You're kidding, right? You're telling me you didn't get drunk and screw random chicks while in college? That's what it is all about!! 🙂


No, I'm not kidding. Oh, and I had a blast in college.

Ok, that's cool - but you did at least have some drops of poontang? 🙂
 
While its possible to be an engineer without a degree, that's the exception, not the rule.


And OP, you're most certainly not an engineer. The people who designed all the network equipment your company brought were real engineers, you're more like a technician or an operator.
 
I do the exact same work as the degreed Civil Engineer's where I work. You will get the same quality of work from me as any degreed Engineer. I make the same money and get the same headaches, but I don't feel I've earned the right to call myself an Engineer. I never finished college due to an extremely busy schedule at work and now it's irrelevant. I don't feel the need to spend another couple of grand to get the title. I take pride and satisfaction in the projects I design and that is enough for me and the owner's of the firm I work for agree.
 
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: 3NF
The only thing a degree proves is that you were able to balance sex/booze with your studies.

I've never drank a drop! 😀

(seriously).

You're kidding, right? You're telling me you didn't get drunk and screw random chicks while in college? That's what it is all about!! 🙂


No, I'm not kidding. Oh, and I had a blast in college.

Ok, that's cool - but you did at least have some drops of poontang? 🙂


I was with one woman during my 5 1/2 years of school (quit for a year and lost a semester of hours because the courses changed while I had quit). I am still with that same wonderful woman today as we've been married 15 years (16 in April). And today, I'm still having a blast with her just as I did in college.
 
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