Poll: Do you believe in souls/afterlife?

Pyro

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Take the poll and feel free to comment.


I'll start by saying that I don't believe in a souls because of two reasons.

1. There really is no evidence that they actually exist, and more importantly:
2. If we do have these souls, then what are they and where are they? if humans have them, do other animals? plants? if every living thing has them, then what about amoeba and other single celled organisms? If they do too, then what about viruses? after all, they are semi-living too.
 

adams

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I feel that unless you truly know the answer, you should avoid having a strong belief one way or the other.

That being said, I have a tendency to feel that life does go on after death. Whether it is a soul that continues or something else- I guess we'll just have to wait and see :)
 

Atlantean

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I believe that we have souls. Not sure what happens when you die though. I have a soul, do you?
 

Elledan

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There has never been any reason to assume that there's something like 'souls' and an 'afterlife'. Both 'theories' are the result of the imagination of certain people and are not based on any observation(s).

However, if there are souls, those will be totally different from how the average individual imagines them. A soul won't contain the full personality, memories, DNA-profile and other junk, but will be some energy which leaves the dying body and either fades away or is 'absorbed' by another organism. If this is true, then one organism can 'absorb' multiple of those energy packets.

The above explanation immediately rules out the possibility of an afterlife as well.
 

Isla

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Yup. But then again, I see dead people.

Here's an article I recently read, got it off Discovery.com (can't find the link, but here's a cut and paste)

Scientist: Mind Continues After Brain Dies

June 29 ? A British scientist studying heart attack patients says he is finding evidence that suggests consciousness may continue after the brain has stopped functioning and a patient is clinically dead.

The research, presented to scientists last week at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), resurrects the debate over whether there is life after death and whether there is such a thing as the human soul.
"The studies are very significant in that we have a group of people with no brain function ... who have well-structured, lucid thought processes with reasoning and memory formation at a time when their brains are shown not to function," Sam Parnia, one of two doctors from Southampton General Hospital in England who have been studying so-called near-death experiences (NDEs), told Reuters in an interview.

"We need to do much larger-scale studies, but the possibility is certainly there" to suggest that consciousness, or the soul, keeps thinking and reasoning even if a person's heart has stopped, he is not breathing and his brain activity is nil, Parnia said.

He said he and colleagues conducted an initial yearlong study, the results of which appeared in the February issue of the journal Resuscitation. The study was so promising the doctors formed a foundation to fund further research and continue collecting data.

During the initial study, Parnia said, 63 heart attack patients who were deemed clinically dead but were later revived were interviewed within a week of their experiences.

Of those, 56 said they had no recollection of the time they were unconscious and seven reported having memories. Of those, four were labeled NDEs in that they reported lucid memories of thinking, reasoning, moving about and communicating with others after doctors determined their brains were not functioning.

Among other things, the patients reported remembering feelings of peace, joy and harmony. For some, time sped up, senses heightened and they lost awareness of their bodies. The patients also reported seeing a bright light, entering another realm and communicating with dead relatives. One, who called himself a lapsed Catholic and Pagan, reported a close encounter with a mystical being.

Near-death experiences have been reported for centuries but in Parnia's study none of the patients were found to have received low oxygen levels, which some skeptics believe may contribute to the phenomenon.

Skeptics have also suggested that patients' memories occurred in the moments they were leaving or returning to consciousness. But Parnia said when a brain is traumatized by a seizure or car wreck a patient generally does not remember moments just before or after losing consciousness. Rather, there is usually a memory lapse of hours or days.

"With cardiac arrest, the insult to the brain is so severe it stops the brain completely. Therefore, I would expect profound memory loss before and after the incident," he added.

Since the initial experiment, Parnia and his colleagues have found more than 3,500 people with lucid memories that apparently occurred at times they were thought to be clinically dead. Many of the patients, he said, were reluctant to share their experiences fearing they would be thought crazy.

The brain itself is made up of cells, like all the body's organs, and is not really capable of producing the subjective phenomenon of thought that people have, he said.

Parnia speculated that human consciousness may work independently of the brain, using the gray matter as a mechanism to manifest the thoughts, just as a television set translates waves in the air into picture and sound.

"When you damage the brain or lose some of the aspects of mind or personality, that doesn't necessarily mean the mind is being produced by the brain. All it shows is that the apparatus is damaged," Parnia said, adding that further research might reveal the existence of a soul.

 

Elledan

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Isla, nice article, but it should not be forgotten that we still don't have a clue how the brain works. It's 100% speculation.
 

Jothaxe

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No.

I dont have any evidence of course, but philosophically speaking, the dualist position is more a historical artifact than a psychological theory that is being developed today. Dualism just doesnt promise any insight into consciousness or the mind.

I would classify myself as a physicalist; somewhere between token identity theorist and functionalist if that is possible.
 

Shy

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I'd like to, since both are an interesting concept. The compassionate side of me says yes, the scientific says no. I voted undecided.

What about soulmates? Do believing in those count?

Because I'm beginning to think I believe in those...

-Shy