Originally posted by: alchemize
Yah, it's happened to a grand total of 1 US citizen right? Or was it two, I lost count.Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: alchemize
Of course not. Dems have a long history of selective civil liberties, usually targeted at their base.
They are completely happy to ban behaviors (smoking), free speech (music, right wing radio), explicit constitutional rights (gun ownership, property rights), unreasonable search and seizure and unconstitutional punishment (drug war support, Tip O'Neil w/ min mandatory sentences), infringe on the rights of business owners by creating an ever increasing list of protected classes, I could go on but you get the idea.
Just use MA as the benchmark...smoking, gambling, gun laws, mandatory health care that you must pay for...all pretty restrictive policies when compared to states north and south of us....I wouldn't be surprised if this state along with a few others become the model that the Dem party uses for the nation
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And come to think of it, I can't think of any liberties I've personally lost under Bush that have affected my day to day behavior. Then again, I'm not phoning terrorists overseas so I don't have anything to worry about...
Yeah seriously, I mean the 4th amendment is just a coverup for criminals anyway. And Habeas Corpus? If you're not giving the president a reason to throw you in jail indefinitely without trial then you don't have anything to worry about either! The Constitution should just say "hey guys, if you're not doing anything wrong the government won't have any reason to come after you" and leave it at that. The bill of rights is a lot of wasted paper.
In any case, I'd just assume it happen to zero. As for folks nabbed internationally, that's a diplomatic/treaty issue, our constitution doesn't apply to non-US citizens imo.
Huh? Why does it matter if it happened to 1 or 100? How many does it take until it's wrong? Is that part of the Constitution I wasn't aware of? Where it says "if you just violate this document a little bit it's okay."
The president detaining any US citizen indefinitely and without trial should strike fear into the heart of anyone who believes in the Constution and the rule of law. Arbitrary detention powers are the hallmark of every police state that has ever existed.