POll: Did you circumcise your son, if he was born in the past 5 years?

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Welcome to 2009, buddy. We vaccinate women to protect against HPV.

So you concede that circumcision lowers the risk of HPV transmission, and therefore, the argument in favor of circumcision may not be as strong now that there is an HPV vaccine. Good to know. Besides, we don't vaccinate women to protect against HPV, we vaccinate adolescent girls to prevent against only four sub-types of HPV (6, 11, 16, and 18). Over 90 sub-types of HPV have been identified.

This information is all from the current American Cancer Society pages. You seem to be reading from a circumcision pamphlet from the rural Midwest from 30 years ago.

lol. Welcome to 2009, indeed:

Circumcision reduces risk of herpes and HPV infection (not to mention HIV)


Got a vaccine for herpes and HIV?

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

You keep trying to make analogies that make no sense, braces serve a purpose to correct a problem where circumcision is really just cosmetic and nothing more. It's part of American culture but does it solve any real medical problem??...NO! And don't even bring up the cleanliness issue, if you have access to hot water and soap it's a non issue, period..

Why are crooked teeth a problem? The English seem to do fine without braces. 😉

Aren't braces, in many cases, simply for aesthetics? And the removal of non-infected wisdom teeth? And the removal of teeth because your mouth is "too small"?

When I was a minor, I had permanent teeth removed and braces put on against my will. How is that different than circumcision?

MotionMan

if you didnt WANT braces, thats EXACTLY the point we are trying to make... a decision made for you that you didnt WANT... hellloooo

AND on top of that, there ARE other reasons people get braces. those reasons include aesthetics (mostly an issue with self-consciousness).

--Quote from WebMd website--
"What Problems Come With Crooked Teeth and Misaligned Bites?

Crooked teeth and misaligned bites can:

* Interfere with proper chewing.
* Make keeping teeth clean more of a challenge, increasing the risk of tooth decay, cavities, and gingivitis. (perfect example of the classic Englishman's teeth!)
* Strain the teeth, jaws, and muscles, increasing the risk of breaking a tooth.
* Make people feel self-conscious about their appearance and affect their self-esteem."

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

ummm how is this relevant at all? lol
you call it "extra" skin.... it is skin that has complete biological and sexual PURPOSE... its not just extra... like a skin tag or whatever. ITS PART OF YOUR FLIPPIN PENIS, the way you were BORN!

"extra" teeth...for chewing...the way you were born...

MotionMan

no. again, a quote

"Other causes of misaligned bites are early loss of baby or adult teeth; improper fit of dental restorations (for example, fillings or crowns); gingivitis (gum disease); undue pressure on the teeth and gums; misalignment of jaw after severe facial injury; tumors of the mouth or jaw; or common oral health problems in children such as thumb sucking, tongue thrusting, pacifier use beyond the age of three, or prolonged use of a bottle."

Edit* your teeth are not predetermined at birth... just like your weight or height or boob size or foot size. predetermination (how you were born) are things like having a vagina or a penis, your hair or eye color, your penis having SKIN on it. (all of these things arent affected by outside factors or how you take care of yourself.) theres a difference.

and obviously, this group of anti-circ people are pretty much against doing anything to a child's body without the consent of the child. sure, some things are MUCH more serious than others but its all the same. /edit*

i think you should do a little research before you say more incorrect shit

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

When you do it "just because" and there is no problem YES!

Your arguments this whole thread have been as bad as the eyelid argument

I am actually not arguing.

MotionMan

You must be delusional then.

You are so staunchly for it I would venture to say either you have a religious obligation to do it or something more subtle.

I am for it at this time. I am reading the arguments against it and examining my views. To examine those views, I need to further investigate the opposing view. As lawyer, I tend to examine differing views by analogy.

At this moment, I would like to understand the issue the anti-circumcision crowd's have based on the "involuntary" aspect of circumcision. In my own life, I had oral surgery and braces forced upon me as a minor for purely cosmetic reasons. I was just wondering how those who are against circumcision view involuntary cosmetic oral surgery and orthodontial work on minors.

MotionMan

Your missing an important point, even though the braces/removal were forced upon you they probably resulted in an improvement in bite and appearance. Even though it may have been uncomfortable and you didn't like it there was really no long term downside to these procedures. Circumcision just for the cause of a cuter dick with possible permanent downsides is just wrong.

But the fact that some people believe that a circumcised penis looks better is not a valid reason for circumcision, correct?

Does an "improved bite" justify involuntary tooth removal and braces for two years?

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

You keep trying to make analogies that make no sense, braces serve a purpose to correct a problem where circumcision is really just cosmetic and nothing more. It's part of American culture but does it solve any real medical problem??...NO! And don't even bring up the cleanliness issue, if you have access to hot water and soap it's a non issue, period..

Why are crooked teeth a problem? The English seem to do fine without braces. 😉

Aren't braces, in many cases, simply for aesthetics? And the removal of non-infected wisdom teeth? And the removal of teeth because your mouth is "too small"?

When I was a minor, I had permanent teeth removed and braces put on against my will. How is that different than circumcision?

MotionMan

if you didnt WANT braces, thats EXACTLY the point we are trying to make... a decision made for you that you didnt WANT... hellloooo

And that is the question I am asking:

Are people who are anti-circumcision also anti-aesthetic tooth removal and orthodontia?

AND on top of that, there ARE other reasons people get braces. those reasons include aesthetics (mostly an issue with self-consciousness).

--Quote from WebMd website--
"What Problems Come With Crooked Teeth and Misaligned Bites?

Crooked teeth and misaligned bites can:

* Interfere with proper chewing.
* Make keeping teeth clean more of a challenge, increasing the risk of tooth decay, cavities, and gingivitis. (perfect example of the classic Englishman's teeth!)
* Strain the teeth, jaws, and muscles, increasing the risk of breaking a tooth.
* Make people feel self-conscious about their appearance and affect their self-esteem."

Can it really that hard to clean your teeth if you brush and floss twice a day?

Appearance is not a sufficient reason for circumcision, right?

I can see how severe tooth alignment problems can lead to bigger problems, but I am more focused on tooth removal and braces based only on aesthetics.

MotionMan

 

[91TTZ]

lol, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. It's even more surprising that certain members are advocates for one side or the other. It's really not a big deal.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

ummm how is this relevant at all? lol
you call it "extra" skin.... it is skin that has complete biological and sexual PURPOSE... its not just extra... like a skin tag or whatever. ITS PART OF YOUR FLIPPIN PENIS, the way you were BORN!

"extra" teeth...for chewing...the way you were born...

MotionMan

no. again, a quote

"Other causes of misaligned bites are early loss of baby or adult teeth; improper fit of dental restorations (for example, fillings or crowns); gingivitis (gum disease); undue pressure on the teeth and gums; misalignment of jaw after severe facial injury; tumors of the mouth or jaw; or common oral health problems in children such as thumb sucking, tongue thrusting, pacifier use beyond the age of three, or prolonged use of a bottle."

But, as I have said many times, I am only talking about aesthetic dental work.

i think you should do a little research before you say more incorrect shit

Getting a little excited, aren't you? Let's try to not get personal and let's keep it as an adult discussion.

MotionMan

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

You keep trying to make analogies that make no sense, braces serve a purpose to correct a problem where circumcision is really just cosmetic and nothing more. It's part of American culture but does it solve any real medical problem??...NO! And don't even bring up the cleanliness issue, if you have access to hot water and soap it's a non issue, period..

Why are crooked teeth a problem? The English seem to do fine without braces. 😉

Aren't braces, in many cases, simply for aesthetics? And the removal of non-infected wisdom teeth? And the removal of teeth because your mouth is "too small"?

When I was a minor, I had permanent teeth removed and braces put on against my will. How is that different than circumcision?

MotionMan

if you didnt WANT braces, thats EXACTLY the point we are trying to make... a decision made for you that you didnt WANT... hellloooo

And that is the question I am asking:

Are people who are anti-circumcision also anti-aesthetic tooth removal and orthodontia?

AND on top of that, there ARE other reasons people get braces. those reasons include aesthetics (mostly an issue with self-consciousness).

--Quote from WebMd website--
"What Problems Come With Crooked Teeth and Misaligned Bites?

Crooked teeth and misaligned bites can:

* Interfere with proper chewing.
* Make keeping teeth clean more of a challenge, increasing the risk of tooth decay, cavities, and gingivitis. (perfect example of the classic Englishman's teeth!)
* Strain the teeth, jaws, and muscles, increasing the risk of breaking a tooth.
* Make people feel self-conscious about their appearance and affect their self-esteem."

Can it really that hard to clean your teeth if you brush and floss twice a day?

Appearance is not a sufficient reason for circumcision, right?

I can see how severe tooth alignment problems can lead to bigger problems, but I am more focused on tooth removal and braces based only on aesthetics.

MotionMan

it is stupid to do something to a baby or to a child who doesnt want whatever it is done, based solely on cosmetic preference. i think its even stupid for women to go and get tit jobs or a nose job (but thats an entirely different story and im not AGAINST it more than i just think its a little silly)

any cosmetic alterations you make to your child are purely based on your own friggin issues and you need to resolve that internally. no, i do not think its appropriate to alter a child because they are not aesthetically pleasing. its fucked up and the parents need to fall back

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

ummm how is this relevant at all? lol
you call it "extra" skin.... it is skin that has complete biological and sexual PURPOSE... its not just extra... like a skin tag or whatever. ITS PART OF YOUR FLIPPIN PENIS, the way you were BORN!

"extra" teeth...for chewing...the way you were born...

MotionMan

no. again, a quote

"Other causes of misaligned bites are early loss of baby or adult teeth; improper fit of dental restorations (for example, fillings or crowns); gingivitis (gum disease); undue pressure on the teeth and gums; misalignment of jaw after severe facial injury; tumors of the mouth or jaw; or common oral health problems in children such as thumb sucking, tongue thrusting, pacifier use beyond the age of three, or prolonged use of a bottle."

But, as I have said many times, I am only talking about aesthetic dental work.

i think you should do a little research before you say more incorrect shit

Getting a little excited, aren't you? Let's try to not get personal and let's keep it as an adult discussion.

MotionMan

LOL! excited? not even in the slightest. i just think all your stupid analogies and extra BS questions are retarded

its not personal at all... i have barely had any contact with an uncut penis. and before this discussion i wouldnt have cared either way if my potential son had a circumcision or not. i dont see the harm in DOING it per se but i dont see the benefits of doing it either. therefore, dont do it because you were intended to be this way and there are more benefits to having your foreskin than to not.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

You keep trying to make analogies that make no sense, braces serve a purpose to correct a problem where circumcision is really just cosmetic and nothing more. It's part of American culture but does it solve any real medical problem??...NO! And don't even bring up the cleanliness issue, if you have access to hot water and soap it's a non issue, period..

Why are crooked teeth a problem? The English seem to do fine without braces. 😉

Aren't braces, in many cases, simply for aesthetics? And the removal of non-infected wisdom teeth? And the removal of teeth because your mouth is "too small"?

When I was a minor, I had permanent teeth removed and braces put on against my will. How is that different than circumcision?

MotionMan

if you didnt WANT braces, thats EXACTLY the point we are trying to make... a decision made for you that you didnt WANT... hellloooo

And that is the question I am asking:

Are people who are anti-circumcision also anti-aesthetic tooth removal and orthodontia?

AND on top of that, there ARE other reasons people get braces. those reasons include aesthetics (mostly an issue with self-consciousness).

--Quote from WebMd website--
"What Problems Come With Crooked Teeth and Misaligned Bites?

Crooked teeth and misaligned bites can:

* Interfere with proper chewing.
* Make keeping teeth clean more of a challenge, increasing the risk of tooth decay, cavities, and gingivitis. (perfect example of the classic Englishman's teeth!)
* Strain the teeth, jaws, and muscles, increasing the risk of breaking a tooth.
* Make people feel self-conscious about their appearance and affect their self-esteem."

Can it really that hard to clean your teeth if you brush and floss twice a day?

Appearance is not a sufficient reason for circumcision, right?

I can see how severe tooth alignment problems can lead to bigger problems, but I am more focused on tooth removal and braces based only on aesthetics.

MotionMan

it is stupid to do something to a baby or to a child who doesnt want whatever it is done, based solely on cosmetic preference. i think its even stupid for women to go and get tit jobs or a nose job (but thats an entirely different story and im not AGAINST it more than i just think its a little silly)

any cosmetic alterations you make to your child are purely based on your own friggin issues and you need to resolve that internally. no, i do not think its appropriate to alter a child because they are not aesthetically pleasing. its fucked up and the parents need to fall back

Finally, a straight answer. Thank you.

MotionMan

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
lol, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. It's even more surprising that certain members are advocates for one side or the other. It's really not a big deal if an adult chooses it for themselves.

Fixed it for you.

 

[meltdown75]

and the most epic thread in recent ATOT history...

is about dicks :/

/facepalm

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Welcome to 2009, buddy. We vaccinate women to protect against HPV.

So you concede that circumcision lowers the risk of HPV transmission, and therefore, the argument in favor of circumcision may not be as strong now that there is an HPV vaccine. Good to know. Besides, we don't vaccinate women to protect against HPV, we vaccinate adolescent girls to prevent against only four sub-types of HPV (6, 11, 16, and 18). Over 90 sub-types of HPV have been identified.

This information is all from the current American Cancer Society pages. You seem to be reading from a circumcision pamphlet from the rural Midwest from 30 years ago.

lol. Welcome to 2009, indeed:

Circumcision reduces risk of herpes and HPV infection (not to mention HIV)


Got a vaccine for herpes and HIV?

I concede nothing on the HPV issue. We have millions of cut dicks in this country and 1 in 4 teenage girls has HPV. It isn't doing shit.

http://www.trojancondoms.com. Would you fuck someone with HIV or herpes without a condom on that cut dick of yours? I sure as hell wouldn't and would avoid such women all together. And before anyone says anything, avoiding one night stands and STD testing in a monogamous relationship prior to stopping condom use make this a very easy reality. This is the kind of thing that needs to be taught in sex ed.

Also, if an adult thinks that a cut dick will protect them, they can do it to themselves. The Darwin awards are full of similar types.

We have the largest circumcision lab experiment in the world, right here in the U.S.A. Most adult males are circumcised. How do our HIV rates compare with Europe, where they don't cut? How about herpes and other STDs? If the U.S. had lower rates of STDs/HIV, you might have a point, but we don't. Europe's better sexual education programs do a far better job than our generations old program of circumcision.

STDs/HIV concerns are not a valid reason for infant circumcision when condoms and education are much, much more effective. Do it for yourself as an adult if it suits your fancy.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

But the fact that some people believe that a circumcised penis looks better is not a valid reason for circumcision, correct?

Its a perfectly valid reason for an adult, not a baby.

Does an "improved bite" justify involuntary tooth removal and braces for two years?

Improving one's bite is a medical improvement. You can chew better and have fewer dental problems.

Can it really that hard to clean your teeth if you brush and floss twice a day?

Depending on how fucked up your teeth are, it can be difficult. I always had food caught in extremely difficult to clean places and some of my teeth were too close together for flossing. I was on track to have perfectly rancid breath and rotten teeth if I didn't have my teeth fixed.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
lol, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. It's even more surprising that certain members are advocates for one side or the other. It's really not a big deal if an adult chooses it for themselves.

Fixed it for you.

I never chose to be circumcised, but there's nothing wrong with being circumcised. It's really no big deal. If I wasn't already I wouldn't feel any desire to get it done, but since it's already done it's not like I'm crippled or anything. The part about it reducing sensitivity is a non-issue, I've never heard anyone complain of their circumcised penis not being sensitive enough. In fact, the only side I ever hear is how it's too sensitive and they can't hold out long enough during sex. If there was a large segment of the population that claimed that their dick wasn't sensitive enough and they can't get off then I'd think there is some merit to that viewpoint, but there's not.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: MotionMan

But the fact that some people believe that a circumcised penis looks better is not a valid reason for circumcision, correct?

Its a perfectly valid reason for an adult, not a baby.

Does an "improved bite" justify involuntary tooth removal and braces for two years?

Improving one's bite is a medical improvement. You can chew better and have fewer dental problems.

Your argument actually supports circumcision, since the disease rates are lower amongst the circumcised population.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are people who are against circumcision against removing "extra" teeth in kids mouths (because their mouths are "too small")?

How about teeth braces for kids?

MotionMan

When you do it "just because" and there is no problem YES!

Your arguments this whole thread have been as bad as the eyelid argument

I am actually not arguing.

MotionMan

You must be delusional then.

You are so staunchly for it I would venture to say either you have a religious obligation to do it or something more subtle.

I am for it at this time. I am reading the arguments against it and examining my views. To examine those views, I need to further investigate the opposing view. As lawyer, I tend to examine differing views by analogy.

At this moment, I would like to understand the issue the anti-circumcision crowd's have based on the "involuntary" aspect of circumcision. In my own life, I had oral surgery and braces forced upon me as a minor for purely cosmetic reasons. I was just wondering how those who are against circumcision view involuntary cosmetic oral surgery and orthodontial work on minors.

MotionMan

Your missing an important point, even though the braces/removal were forced upon you they probably resulted in an improvement in bite and appearance. Even though it may have been uncomfortable and you didn't like it there was really no long term downside to these procedures. Circumcision just for the cause of a cuter dick with possible permanent downsides is just wrong.

But the fact that some people believe that a circumcised penis looks better is not a valid reason for circumcision, correct?

Does an "improved bite" justify involuntary tooth removal and braces for two years?

MotionMan

Correct, circumcision for a better "look" is wrong, again, the argument using the teeth is fail simply because their function will not be impaired by cosmetic work and "might" be improved vs the function of a circumcised penis has a good chance of being irrevocably harmed by same cosmetic changes. The prosecution now rests, you may well be a great attorney by simply bludgeoning your opponent to death..

 

[Safeway]

I will probably have my son circumcised just so he looks like me and doesn't form developmental issues from being different than his father.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
lol, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. It's even more surprising that certain members are advocates for one side or the other. It's really not a big deal if an adult chooses it for themselves.

Fixed it for you.

I never chose to be circumcised, but there's nothing wrong with being circumcised. It's really no big deal. If I wasn't already I wouldn't feel any desire to get it done, but since it's already done it's not like I'm crippled or anything. The part about it reducing sensitivity is a non-issue, I've never heard anyone complain of their circumcised penis not being sensitive enough. In fact, the only side I ever hear is how it's too sensitive and they can't hold out long enough during sex. If there was a large segment of the population that claimed that their dick wasn't sensitive enough and they can't get off then I'd think there is some merit to that viewpoint, but there's not.

You just made my point. You were given a cosmetic alteration that you never would have chosen for yourself. No one should be doing cosmetic surgery on children. Cosmetic surgery, by definition is optional and highly subjective. It should be chosen by adults for themselves, or in some trivial cases (hair or mole removal, etc.), it can be chosen with consent of an older child and his parents together.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Safeway
I will probably have my son circumcised just so he looks like me and doesn't form developmental issues from being different than his father.

😕
So are you going to have yourself cloned in order to minimize the number of differences?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

You just made my point. You were given a cosmetic alteration that you never would have chosen for yourself. No one should be doing cosmetic surgery on children. Cosmetic surgery, by definition is optional and highly subjective. It should be chosen by adults for themselves, or in some trivial cases (hair or mole removal, etc.), it can be chosen with consent of an older child and his parents together.

It's not really a big enough deal for me to care about.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Safeway
I will probably have my son circumcised just so he looks like me and doesn't form developmental issues from being different than his father.

Uh, why would your son know what your penis looks like?

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: MotionMan

But the fact that some people believe that a circumcised penis looks better is not a valid reason for circumcision, correct?

Its a perfectly valid reason for an adult, not a baby.

Does an "improved bite" justify involuntary tooth removal and braces for two years?

Improving one's bite is a medical improvement. You can chew better and have fewer dental problems.

Your argument actually supports circumcision, since the disease rates are lower amongst the circumcised population.

Then why is the U.S. STD and HIV rates much higher than in Europe where circumcision is rare? Why don't the Europeans have significantly higher rates of cervical and penile cancers, UTIs, and everything else circumcision is supposed to prevent?

Where is the less invasive treatment for a fucked up mouth? Alternatives to circumcision include condoms, antibiotics, education, proper care, etc.

Major medical benefit justifying surgery not found.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Safeway
I will probably have my son circumcised just so he looks like me and doesn't form developmental issues from being different than his father.

Are you also going to shave clean and pack it in ice to shrink it? Adult and child genitals look pretty different as it is. Besides, do you plan to spend significant time comparing junk?

Its also interesting that no one worries about the "look like daddy" thing when trying to convince an intact man to cut his son.

My boy is intact. I'm not. The "look like daddy" thing came up only as to why I have hair and he doesn't. He was more interested in why his little sister didn't have a penis at all. Both were obviously very easy to explain.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SammyJr

You just made my point. You were given a cosmetic alteration that you never would have chosen for yourself. No one should be doing cosmetic surgery on children. Cosmetic surgery, by definition is optional and highly subjective. It should be chosen by adults for themselves, or in some trivial cases (hair or mole removal, etc.), it can be chosen with consent of an older child and his parents together.

It's not really a big enough deal for me to care about.

I'm not saying you have to be pissed off about being circumcised. Just let your sons make their own choice.