Poll: DELL 20% MSN rebate thread #4: HOT upgrade to WIN 2k for free

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luv2chill

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Don't bother with CS---they aren't authorized to do this. You will just need to keep calling Tech Support until you get one who will do it. Most of us are having success, so there are bound to be a lot of reps who know about the policy.

I suggest approaching it as a tech support issue (i.e. when they ask you what the problem is, say that WinME has been extremely unstable on your system (be prepared to give them specifics of what kind of errors (program errors, blue screens, etc.) and what third-party programs you've installed). Tell them you want to install Win2k to make your system more stable, but you'd been told that Dell will only support the OS that the system ships with. Then say that you were inquiring as to whether Dell would allow you to change operating systems in the first 30 days.

That's all it took for me. I'd bet you're more likely to get the exchange if you approach it that way rather than "Hi. I heard that you're giving out free upgrades to Win2k for Inspiron owners." Not saying those were your words, but you get my drift.

My rep (sorry didn't get his name or extension) said that it definitely was a service that Dell offered. It wasn't exactly easy though--I had to invent a lot of details about random crashes, blue screens, etc before he finally said he would put the order through.

Just keep trying if you really want to have Win2k. It does work--I got my Win2k CD and product key yesterday via Airborne.

Oh and John--thanks very much for that FYI... I really hadn't played with my 8000 much, but I noticed that it seemed more sluggish than a 700MHz should. Turns out it was set at 550!!! What is up with that? All I can say is I feel sorry for the poor saps who ordered top of the line Inspirons who don't even realize (and probably never will) that they're running their processor 150MHz slower than rated. I also noticed the erratic fan behavior. I will have to d/l the new BIOS. I appreciate the heads up.

l2c
 

John

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My pleasure :) I appreciate all of you guys giving some very informative posts, and keeping this thread alive.

Merry Christmas to everyone !
 

Braxus

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Just to let you know your slower speeds are due to speedstep, not the BIOS. The CPU usually only runs at full speed ONLY when plugged in or when you tell it to run at full speed.
 

John

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Braxus, that is incorrect.

Without speedstep installed it was still running at the reduced speed when I was in the OS and had the A/C power connected. I even went as far as to install the speedstep program and it would not retain the setting. On page 4 of the BIOS you can set it to Maximum Performance under power management and on the &quot;speedstep&quot; selection. Bios should report the &quot;true&quot; speed when on A/C power but it was NOT. When I disabled power management for A/C and battery the bios then reported the &quot;full&quot; speed. When booting to the OS it also reported the &quot;full&quot; speed. For some odd reason power management was at fault. However the new BIOS flash fixed it.
 

Braxus

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Hmm intersting... Didn't seem to have that problem when mine was plugged in using the shipped A01 BIOS. PC0 stepping chip too.

As for the Intel speedstep program, that won't work as Dell is using a desktop i815e chipset which doesn't have the nessicary &quot;code&quot; to support it. Only the m440BX and i815EM chipsets have official Intel Speedstep support. Dell just implements their own variant of the speedstep technology through the BIOS.

Also for those that want to look at the inside of the Dell Inspiron 8000 (mobo, video card, sockets, etc.) point your browser to this addy:

http://www.vgmusic.com/personal/braxus/dell/images/

I'll be postin' detailed info sometime this week or after I come back from Vegas (Spending new years there :D).
 

gb

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Will the DVD player software stop working if I upgrade my 3800 to Win2K? I like watching movies...
 

JasonG

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Has anyone with a 4000 noticed that the sound is not very loud?

The speakers are not very powerful even at full volume...

I upgraded the drivers but it didn't make any difference.

Thanks,

Jason
 

Lore

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Excellent information, guys. I'm helping a client configure a Dell laptop for work, and I was leaning towards the Inspiron 8000. I was originally thinking of configuring it with WinME, but now that I think about it, he might be better off running Windows 2000. Unfortunately he is a _real_ computer newbie, and even though he has been using his Toshiba laptop for several years now, can easily get lost in a complicated operating system like Windows 2000.

Any suggestions for particular configurations?
 

SSGTi

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Jason, yeah on my i4000 the volume out of the speakers is also not very loud. How's the volume level for you i8000 guys ?
 

John

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Kenneth, I sent you some info thru PM earlier...still have questions?

The i8000 volume could be a little louder IMHO.
 

taquim

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When you talk of low volume on the I4K are you using speakers or headphones? Because when I use my headphones it gets fairly loud.
 

AB

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I figured I might as well join in on this topic since I also got in on this 20% deal from MSN just in the knick of time. Anyways, I purchased the I4000 on the 11th in the morning using passport. I received an email on the 13th regarding the rebate and that I qualified for it. This was the preliminary email which said that &quot;i was qualified to receive the 20% rebate&quot;. It also said that there would be a second email sent which would have the exact amount for the rebate. I have yet to receive that email. I received the laptop around the 20th. Love it by the way. Thinking of upgrading like everyone else to WIN2K. My questions for all your guys is this.
1) How do I get a hold of anyone who knows about this rebate to confirm that my rebate was being processed. I don't want to be stuck with this without the rebate and if I find out that the rebate wasn't approved, I will return the laptop within the 30 days. Should I just have patience since they already acknowledged that I qualified for the rebate? I have emailed them at the holiday promo address that has been posted... no response yet.

2) If I call Tech support and complain about ME, and if I get WIN2K, will the rebate be void?

3) Other random questions... how difficult is it to add memory to these laptops? Are there any sites that describe how to do this? I can do everything with a desktop, but have never opened up a laptop or messed around with one. This is the first time.

4) Is it a bad idea to partition the drive with PQMAGIC with an OS already installed?

5) If I format the HD, how do I get support for the floppy and CD to install everything from scratch, since they both occupy the same bay? On Desktops, I just made a startup disk which would allow for CDROM support.

6) Lastly, for everyone with the I4K, are all the drivers included in the package if I was to do a full reinstall? Or do I have to go hunting online for the drivers. For example for my DVDROM...etc;

Sorry this is so long. You guys have always helped me out alot and since I am venturing into a new world (laptops), I hope to get your help on this matter aswell. Thanks.

 

Shrike

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AB:

2) If I call Tech support and complain about ME, and if I get WIN2K, will the rebate be void?

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Maybe not but if you open your system like Braxus did it will void your warranty
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3) Other random questions... how difficult is it to add memory to these laptops? Are there any sites that describe how to do this? I can do everything with a desktop, but have never opened up a laptop or messed around with one. This is the first time.

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Not difficult at all, look on the bottom of the system there should be a door to access the RAM slots(Refer to your users manual for detail) simply add the new sodimms and boot the system.
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4) Is it a bad idea to partition the drive with PQMAGIC with an OS already installed?
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Some people can get it to work. Some can't. You make the call
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5) If I format the HD, how do I get support for the floppy and CD to install everything from scratch, since they both occupy the same bay? On Desktops, I just made a startup disk which would allow for CDROM support.
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The cd for installing Windows 98/ME/2k are bootable. The system should see the bootable disc and go from there
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6) Lastly, for everyone with the I4K, are all the drivers included in the package if I was to do a full reinstall? Or do I have to go hunting online for the drivers. For example for my DVDROM...etc;
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Drivers are included for the OS that was shipped with the system.

 

JasonG

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Thanks Guys.

I just wanted to make sure the sound wasn't a problem on my machine.

Too bad it isn't better...

Everything else seems very good so far.

ME crashed a few times during configuration (no surprise there) but now seems fairly stable.

Take care,

Jason
 

gb

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DVD player. Windows 2000. Movies.




Do these three things work togather? (upgrade to win2k)
 

Braxus

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Shrike,

Opening your laptop won't void your warrenty, there aren't any tampering stickers or anything of that sort. My friend had a dead I7.5K motherboard and Dell sent him a new motherboard for his lappy which I serviced and the warrenty is still good.

Still though, if you do not know what you're doing, do NOT attempt to open your notebook. Unlike desktop componets, it's a LOT easier to damage a hardware componet on a lappy.

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gb,

You will be able to watch DVDs in W2K provided that your DVD Software is W2K supported. For me I use PowerDVD which is supported by W2K.
 

loudmouth

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Can anyone point me to Dell so called 30 day policy. I can't seem to find it on their site and I didn't get anything with my I8000.
 

Lore

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John:

We ordered the laptop today. 64mb RAM, (we bought an upgrade through Crucial) Windows 2000, 20gb HD, 14.1&quot; screen, 700mhz. Nice config. I'm envious.

 

jcalvert

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Has anybody been able to pass an AC3 signal through WinDVD on their SPDIF connector? I have SPDIF enabled in both WinDVD and the volume control but still have no luck. I'm using Win2K but would be interested to hear from others who have it working in WinME or Win98. TIA!
 

RossMAN

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loudmouth - Here's Dell's Customer Resolution Form to return your Dell for full credit.

Remember you have to return it within 30 days of the INVOICE (not shipping) date. So even though your Dell may have shipped 2-3 weeks after ordering it, you only have 30 days from the INVOICE date to return it for full credit.

Here's a link to their Total Satisfaction Return Policy scroll down to the last paragraph.