Poll: Death and Taxes
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Zebo
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0, 0 ,0 40%. The more money in peoples hands the more they spend, the more the economy grows, the better everyone does. This is why I love unions, love high wages, Love trade barriers. After a million bucks tax free, then I think one can afford to pay a little to keep the goverment going.
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Another inane argument from a true blue statist. Got a book for you to read, of course you probably won't read it because your head is in la la land whence it will probably never return.
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Zebo
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Then I hope you're not going for the man who increased the size of goverment at an all time high at 2.4Trillion and 5 million federal employees.
As far as "statists" why do you think there was so much prosperity under Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton? They wern't statists any more or less than Republicans..actually they were less so. But Their policies put money in the pockets of the people on the bottom, creating demand and stimulating investment.
As far as "statists" why do you think there was so much prosperity under Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton? They wern't statists any more or less than Republicans..actually they were less so. But Their policies put money in the pockets of the people on the bottom, creating demand and stimulating investment.
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Then I hope you're not going for the man who increased the size of goverment at an all time high at 2.4Trillion and 5 million federal employees.
As far as "statists" why do you think there was so much prosperity under Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton? They wern't statists any more or less than Republicans..actually they were less so. But Their policies put money in the pockets of the people on the bottom, creating demand and stimulating investment.
No, I am not voting for Bush. He is a statist as well. I'm voting for Badnarik.
Prosperity has only one source and one source alone: free & peaceful exchange. Government policies, government programs, government bureaucracy doesn't produce one red cent or as I would say one speck of gold.
If you think that Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton enacted policies that created wealth and prosperity you are living in a dream world. Actually, they COULD have created prosperity in instances where they actually rolled back government bureaucracy and red tape. Other than downsizing government there is no other method they could have or did employ to increase prosperity.
If you believe the contrary to be true you have bought into political lies & deception lock, stock and barrel.
This thread requires explination, is this what we think is the current rate or what we believe it should be? and the title is misleading, it may lead people to think of the estate tax ( or at least i did initially) at any rate 10% acroos the board is what it should be
i voted 15% across.
although if socialist programs where payint someone they would first get the payment in the form of a tax-break.
Zebo
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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Zebo
Then I hope you're not going for the man who increased the size of goverment at an all time high at 2.4Trillion and 5 million federal employees.
As far as "statists" why do you think there was so much prosperity under Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton? They wern't statists any more or less than Republicans..actually they were less so. But Their policies put money in the pockets of the people on the bottom, creating demand and stimulating investment.
No, I am not voting for Bush. He is a statist as well. I'm voting for Badnarik.
Prosperity has only one source and one source alone: free & peaceful exchange. Government policies, government programs, government bureaucracy doesn't produce one red cent or as I would say one speck of gold.
If you think that Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton enacted policies that created wealth and prosperity you are living in a dream world.
Sorry my friend it's historical fact. If you took the time to look at GDP growth and unemployment numbers, you'll notice something. The best economic times are toward the end of Democratic administrations. Democrats inherit weak economies and strengthen them. Republican then come in and thier policy tears them down.
Every democratic admistration left office with *lower* unemployment than when he came in except carter with the same rate. Almost every republican Left office with *higher* unemployment numbers than when he came in only Reagan left office with lower unemployment than he inherited. One of those republicans, when they controlled both houses, gave us 25% unemployment. Then Roosvelt came in finally dying with 2%.
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Zebo
Then I hope you're not going for the man who increased the size of goverment at an all time high at 2.4Trillion and 5 million federal employees.
As far as "statists" why do you think there was so much prosperity under Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton? They wern't statists any more or less than Republicans..actually they were less so. But Their policies put money in the pockets of the people on the bottom, creating demand and stimulating investment.
No, I am not voting for Bush. He is a statist as well. I'm voting for Badnarik.
Prosperity has only one source and one source alone: free & peaceful exchange. Government policies, government programs, government bureaucracy doesn't produce one red cent or as I would say one speck of gold.
If you think that Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton enacted policies that created wealth and prosperity you are living in a dream world.
Sorry my friend it's historical fact. If you took the time to look at GDP growth and unemployment numbers, you'll notice something. The best economic times are toward the end of Democratic administrations. Democrats inherit weak economies and strengthen them. Republican then come in and thier policy tears them down.
Every democratic admistration left office with *lower* unemployment than when he came in except carter with the same rate. Almost every republican Left office with *higher* unemployment numbers than when he came in only Reagan left office with lower unemployment than he inherited. One of those republicans, when they controlled both houses, gave us 25% unemployment. Then Roosvelt came in finally dying with 2%.
That doesn't mean anything. Politicians can shuffle all kinds of statistics around in the economy but it is just like one of those squishy toys: you squeeze on one end and it just pops right out another.
Furthermore, all of the presidents you mentioned bought into Keynesian economic theory which has been debunked for the better part of a century. Especially Roosevelt. That guy was a Keynesian nut if there ever was one. He even confiscated everyone's gold. I still give him credit for winning WW II though.
I'm not defending Republicans, I'm just pointing out that you my friend have been bamboozled. It appears that you have bought into Keynesianism which is an economic theory that basically states that the economy is like a machine that can be tweaked for better output. The economy is sort of like a machine, but it is not a machine to be meddled with, it runs best all on its own.
Zebo
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Dissipate taxes and big governemnt aint going anywhere we have everyright to use the government as an agent of change and enforcement, that's why they are created after all pop get too big and people decide they need services and rule of law to manage it. My point is only this, since we have taxes similar to europes why not actually give some of the money back to the people who pay them like europe does. In those counties you attend university for free, heath care is free, training is free, while here we build weapons and prisons with our tax burden and see very little in return, it's either sink or swim unless you nab a sweet governemnt contract for your wares like, texas stadium, halibuton or the airlines and many others. This is why I'm a dem even though I'm really libertarian at heart.
0% income tax on everyone
20% federal sales tax on everything (except basic food , basic clothing, and medications).
20% on item brought into the country by a person (not for sale)
20% federal sales tax on everything (except basic food , basic clothing, and medications).
20% on item brought into the country by a person (not for sale)
Originally posted by: Zebo
Then I hope you're not going for the man who increased the size of goverment at an all time high at 2.4Trillion and 5 million federal employees.
As far as "statists" why do you think there was so much prosperity under Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton? They wern't statists any more or less than Republicans..actually they were less so. But Their policies put money in the pockets of the people on the bottom, creating demand and stimulating investment.
Zebo,
Has the number of civil service jobs increased or decreased under Pres. Bush?
Is this a single person with no dependents? A single person with one or more dependents? A one-income couple with 1 dependent child? 2? 3? more? One of two wage earners filing jointly? Sorry, but I need more information here...
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Zebo
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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Zebo
Then I hope you're not going for the man who increased the size of goverment at an all time high at 2.4Trillion and 5 million federal employees.
As far as "statists" why do you think there was so much prosperity under Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton? They wern't statists any more or less than Republicans..actually they were less so. But Their policies put money in the pockets of the people on the bottom, creating demand and stimulating investment.
Zebo,
Has the number of civil service jobs increased or decreased under Pres. Bush?
Federal jobs increased by 1M since bush took office bringing the totals to around ~12Million "federal employees" http://www.brook.edu/dybdocroot/gs/cps/light20030905.pdf
Bush mearly shifted the desination while growing the size.
Elimnate ALL exemptions and special perks for marriage and kids. How much should the Income Tax be for each of the listed incomes ?
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