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Poll: Creation vs Evolution

you were wondering? seems like everyone wonders this all the time, I think i've seen too many threads on this subject now.

danny~!
 
Can we end this kind of crap already? I am a practicing Catholic, and I love the Church, but come on, anyone who doesn't have their head stuck up their ass knows we evolved. End of story. Period.
 
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth....God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them...And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Genesis 1:1,27,31
Dave
 


<< Can we end this kind of crap already? I am a practicing Catholic, and I love the Church, but come on, anyone who doesn't have their head stuck up their ass knows we evolved. End of story. Period. >>



Wow that is some profound wisdom from the gun control advocate. You couldn't make a reasonable argument to save your life, could you?

There are philosophical and scientific questions that must be answered by any belief system. Can life come from non-life? Can the universe start itself and then organize itself into a life support system for intelligent beings? If I find some really old bones/fossils, does that necessarily lead one to the theory of evolution?

On the other hand, if God created the universe 20 billion years ago, and then evolution occured, then was it under supernatural guidance, or was it front-loaded so that the laws of science would take care of it? If the laws of science indicate that all systems tend toward chaos and entropy, what kind of front-loading would result in the apparent reversal of that law? Why did God allow all those animals to die and kill each other for millions of years before the original fall of mankind? Didn't the fall of mankind introduce death to the earth?

And finally, for the young earthers: How did the light from all those stars already get here, if the earth is only 10,000 years old or so, how did the Earth cool so rapidly when simple math shows that the largest rock masses should still be smoldering hot after a "recent" creation event? Where did all those fossils and fossil fuels come from? What the heck is a Neandertal?

Anyway, ignorant ejaculations about which one of the views you should take on blind faith are futile.
 


<< Man created God in his own image >>



LMAO. Somewhere in college I saw the following statement: "If hourses have god, the it would look like them."
 
jjones,

Erm, do you mean some alien race was beaming themselves around in a starship, and something went wrong so people just appeared at the destination P)

I like it....
 


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jjones,

Erm, do you mean some alien race was beaming themselves around in a starship, and something went wrong so people just appeared at the destination 😉

I like it....
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not exactly that way. my theory holds that the universe spontaneously materializes things kind of like the lint in the pocket of your trousers. it wasn't there when you put it in the wash but damn, everytime i pull out my keyring there's a piece of lint attached to it. 😉
 
Alright, I'll try to explain it one more time:

Creation (Genesis) and Evolution have _absolutely_nothing_ to do with each other. Since we're talking about how life started, it's about Genesis vs. Biogenesis, i.e., the creation of life by some supernatural power vs. lifeless materials forming the basic elements life exists out of (e.g., amino-acids), from which the first life-forms (being simply bacteria) were formed.

Evolution has nothing to do with either of these things, so cease arguing.

Anyway, since we've no reason to assume that any supernatural power is or was ever present in this universe, and we've no evidence which is sufficient to prove that biogenesis is impossible, we'll therefore have to conclude that for now biogenesis is how 'it' happened.
 


<< Creation (Genesis) and Evolution have _absolutely_nothing_ to do with each other. Since we're talking about how life started, it's about Genesis vs. Biogenesis, i.e., the creation of life by some supernatural power vs. lifeless materials forming the basic elements life exists out of (e.g., amino-acids), from which the first life-forms (being simply bacteria) were formed.

Evolution has nothing to do with either of these things, so cease arguing. >>



FINALLY!! Somebody who understands. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain this to my ultra-religious family. It seems like no matter how many times their pathetically misguided arguments are destroyed they keep coming back. Some people are so damn ignorant it's incredible...
 


<< FINALLY!! Somebody who understands. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain this to my ultra-religious family. It seems like no matter how many times their pathetically misguided arguments are destroyed they keep coming back. Some people are so damn ignorant it's incredible... >>


There's a reason why it's called 'blind faith' 🙂
 


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<< and we've no evidence which is sufficient to prove that biogenesis is impossible >>

...thus proving it is a bunk theory... >>

Explain.
 


<< and we've no evidence which is sufficient to prove that biogenesis is impossible >>



ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny...

Did you mean no evidence to prove it's possible, or did you mean impossible? There are objective findings that support biogenesis
 


<< Alright, I'll try to explain it one more time:

Creation (Genesis) and Evolution have _absolutely_nothing_ to do with each other. Since we're talking about how life started, it's about Genesis vs. Biogenesis, i.e., the creation of life by some supernatural power vs. lifeless materials forming the basic elements life exists out of (e.g., amino-acids), from which the first life-forms (being simply bacteria) were formed.

Evolution has nothing to do with either of these things, so cease arguing.

Anyway, since we've no reason to assume that any supernatural power is or was ever present in this universe, and we've no evidence which is sufficient to prove that biogenesis is impossible, we'll therefore have to conclude that for now biogenesis is how 'it' happened. >>



Thank you! We could have been created and evolved from there. What if "God's image" was an amoeba and he created all people in His image? Creation and evolution aren't mutually exclusive.
 


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<< and we've no evidence which is sufficient to prove that biogenesis is impossible >>



ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny...

Did you mean no evidence to prove it's possible, or did you mean impossible? There are objective findings that support biogenesis >>

I didn't realize I was this unclear in my post. My apologies.

I meant it the way I wrote it down: there's currently not sufficient evidence to prove that biogenesis is impossible, and there's sufficient evidence to prove that it is possible.
 
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