Poll: Clinton leads Trump by double digits

[Sheik Yerbouti]

First part definitely. Real, actually intelligent people that are also effective in life know that don't know everything. They can't, it's not possible to be an expert in everything. So you need to know what you are not good at, and how to tell who is.

I've never seen that from Trump. It's almost always ' I'm the best at X', and so on.

he knows the "best words", has the "world's best memory", "will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency".

drumpf, what a maroon.

 

[MrPickins]

It's just speculation at this point, so I'd say less than 50% but certainly greater than 0%.
With the right spin campaign, ie Trump was a Clinton plant from the get go, the GOP should be able to whip a large number of votes back from Trump, while still ensuring a high turnout for their side.
Like I said, the other alternative (at this point) is that Hillary beats Trump in a landslide and the Dems get control of the Senate and possibly even the House.

With as bone-headed and self-defeating a campaign as Trump has run, this is actually looking plausible.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And it seems a few conservative sites are jumping back on the "unskewing" polls bandwagon to say Clinton doesn't really have a huge lead.

You would think after 2012 they would learn. It's not bias, it's your candidate.

 

[DrPizza]

Both, if they do that switch. Do you really think Trump supporters will vote Bush or Kasich if they steal the nomination from Trump?

I don't think it's sunk into your head yet:
Hillary is going to win. Trump is going to lose, Cruz, Bush, or Kasich are going to lose if the Republicans somehow manage to get them on the ticket instead. If Trump isn't nominated, he may run 3rd ticket. Republican leaders don't give a shit who Trump supporters vote for - for POTUS that is. It's a lost cause. They need Republicans to show up though - so the down ticket Republicans running for seats in Congress don't lose.

 

[Mxylplyx]

so how many bad poll results will it take for the senate judiciary committee to suddenly decide to give judge garland a hearing?

I sincerely hope Obama will withdraw the nomination if the Republicans have a sudden change of heart when the writing is on the wall. They should probably pick it up now before it is so obvious what their political calculation is.

 

[buckshot24]

I don't think it's sunk into your head yet:
Hillary is going to win.

It hasn't but get cocky.

Trump is going to lose, Cruz, Bush, or Kasich are going to lose if the Republicans somehow manage to get them on the ticket instead. If Trump isn't nominated, he may run 3rd ticket. Republican leaders don't give a shit who Trump supporters vote for - for POTUS that is. It's a lost cause. They need Republicans to show up though - so the down ticket Republicans running for seats in Congress don't lose.

Genius, if they steal the nomination from Trump are you dumb enough to think they will fall in line and vote for the same guys who stole it? You're not that stupid so quit saying this.

 

[DrPizza]

It hasn't but get cocky.
Genius, if they steal the nomination from Trump are you dumb enough to think they will fall in line and vote for the same guys who stole it? You're not that stupid so quit saying this.

Well, I haven't seen too much so far that indicates the majority of them are very bright.

 

[buckshot24]

Well, I haven't seen too much so far that indicates the majority of them are very bright.

Not that I care what you've seen or not. You're a hack, remember?

 

[emperus]

Not that I care what you've seen or not. You're a hack, remember?

Wondering buckshot, do you think Trump would make a good president? What do you think of everything he's said the last 2 weeks?

 

[buckshot24]

Wondering buckshot, do you think Trump would make a good president? What do you think of everything he's said the last 2 weeks?

What about Hillary's stance with planned parenthood jives with your Christian faith?

 

[ivwshane]

What about Hillary's stance with planned parenthood jives with your Christian faith?

Always the constant bitch, you never answer questions.

Thanks for buckshating yet another thread.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Any moment now Trump will become "more Presidential"

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-unfavorable-polls-224454

There are some points how others have overcome similar deficits so its possible and there is this

Trump is setting modern records for political toxicity — at least for a major-party candidate this far out from an election. Seventy percent of Americans surveyed in an ABC News/Washington Post poll out this week had an unfavorable opinion of Trump, up 10 points over the past month. The poll showed Trump’s favorable rating cratering at 29 percent, down from 37 percent last month.

 

[feralkid]

What about Hillary's stance with planned parenthood jives with your Christian faith?

"Jibe" is the word you are looking for.

 

[emperus]

What about Hillary's stance with planned parenthood jives with your Christian faith?

I was trying to figure out what someone who's invested in Trump thinks about him about these two weeks. But it seems that you're not capable of being honest.

As to your question. I don't see a disparity between my support for her and my faith. 1.) I look at the totality of the party and the Democratic party's empathy (esp for the least of us) fits closer with my belief in Christianity than does the rigidity of the Republican party. Of course there are things I disagree with 2.) Roe v. Wade gives people the right to have abortions, it doesn't force them to. We don't live in a Christian nation and our laws can't be based on our view of Christianity. Furthermore, God imbued me with wisdom and discernment, I'm not sure how anybody tells anyone else what to do with their body. I would rather people not have abortions, but I leave that judgement between them and God.

But this gets me. Republicans love to talk about Panned Parenthood and Christianity, what about wars and Christianity, or the death penalty and Christianity, or helping the poor and Christianity, or even supporting the children who women keep instead of having an abortion and Christianity, or their racism and Christianity or their sexism and Christianity?

 

[alien42]

It hasn't but get cocky.
Genius, if they steal the nomination from Trump are you dumb enough to think they will fall in line and vote for the same guys who stole it? You're not that stupid so quit saying this.

well, you're dumb enough to think Trump has a chance, which he doesn't. and yes, i do believe you are that stupid.

 

[Subyman]

Not that I care what you've seen or not. You're a hack, remember?

You got a hack list going as well? Seems to be a lot of hacks on this forum.

 

[K1052]

I sincerely hope Obama will withdraw the nomination if the Republicans have a sudden change of heart when the writing is on the wall. They should probably pick it up now before it is so obvious what their political calculation is.

Well they said they wanted the American people to have a voice on Scalia's replacement via the next president, I don't think this is the outcome they envisioned. This could go down as one of the more epic political miscalculations in recent decades since, if things continue apace, Hillary will get to put at least one (more probably two) justices on the bench and given the pressures inside the party will probably be more liberal than Garland.

 

[dullard]

Well they said they wanted the American people to have a voice on Scalia's replacement via the next president, I don't think this is the outcome they envisioned. This could go down as one of the more epic political miscalculations in recent decades since, if things continue apace, Hillary will get to put at least one (more probably two) justices on the bench and given the pressures inside the party will probably be more liberal than Garland.

Not to mention it means ignoring the voice of the public that voted Obama for this term. Thus they might just end up doing the exact opposite of what they wanted in multiple ways.

 

[buckshot24]

I was trying to figure out what someone who's invested in Trump thinks about him about these two weeks. But it seems that you're not capable of being honest.

That isn't very generous of you brother. Like our Lord I answer at times in questions. My number 1 issue is abortion. The murder of the unborn is simply anathema to me. Abortion to me is like that Moloch affair.

As to your question. I don't see a disparity between my support for her and my faith. 1.) I look at the totality of the party and the Democratic party's empathy (esp for the least of us) fits closer with my belief in Christianity than does the rigidity of the Republican party.

Charity is supposed to be voluntary, we will always have the poor, remember? Remember "if a man doesn't work, he doesn't eat?" The democrats have a completely opposite view.

Of course there are things I disagree with 2.) Roe v. Wade gives people the right to have abortions, it doesn't force them to.

Do you really think God wants people to have that right?

We don't live in a Christian nation and our laws can't be based on our view of Christianity.

Granting people the right to do evil things isn't going to look good on our resumes. This isn't about being a Christian nation but one who protects the most vulnerable.

Furthermore, God imbued me with wisdom and discernment, I'm not sure how anybody tells anyone else what to do with their body. I would rather people not have abortions, but I leave that judgement between them and God.

Your wisdom is that of a sinner as is mine. If you think people should be able to rip their unborn out of their wombs then I'd suggest something is wrong with yours. There are living souls in those wombs.

But this gets me. Republicans love to talk about Panned Parenthood and Christianity, what about wars and Christianity, or the death penalty and Christianity, or helping the poor and Christianity, or even supporting the children who women keep instead of having an abortion and Christianity, or their racism and Christianity or their sexism and Christianity?

Do you think Paul was a sexist? He seemed to think there were significant differences between the roles of women and men?

So your argument is if we don't want to pay people to have children then they can be killed if the mothers so choose? There are lots of poor children now, should they be killed if I don't want to personally take one in? The welfare state is slavery. After 50 years of your "help" the black family has disintegrated. After so many years of failure don't you think we should try something else? What your party's idea of help has created has been a disaster.

I don't agree with the death penalty and we shouldn't be going to war constantly. It isn't as if the Democrat party hasn't supported war in the past.

 

[buckshot24]

well, you're dumb enough to think Trump has a chance, which he doesn't. and yes, i do believe you are that stupid.

This post means nothing.

 

[buckshot24]

You got a hack list going as well? Seems to be a lot of hacks on this forum.

Yes Mr. Pizza has proven himself to be a hack in the past. It is a scaled determination and you're down a bit compared to him. If you must know, Jhnnn is the biggest hack of the forum. I'm probably a bit below you but I am a hack too.

 

[K1052]

Not to mention it means ignoring the voice of the public that voted Obama for this term. Thus they might just end up doing the exact opposite of what they wanted in multiple ways.

Well that voice is three years old and didn't go their way so...

It would be hilarious to watch her nominate a 40ish liberal woman to replace Scalia.

 

[BxgJ]

Yes Mr. Pizza has proven himself to be a hack in the past. It is a scaled determination and you're down a bit compared to him. If you must know, Jhnnn is the biggest hack of the forum. I'm probably a bit below you but I am a hack too.

How is this 'hack' list different from TheList? Is there an award for placing? A cookie, perhaps?

 

[dullard]

Well that voice is three years old and didn't go their way so...

It would be hilarious to watch her nominate a 40ish liberal woman to replace Scalia.

If Clinton gets the win, then she probably will have enough down-ballot support to also get a narrow senate majority. Meaning she could put anyone in the supreme court that she wants. They'd just make the senate rules state that supreme court nominees are filibuster proof.

The democrats need to pick up at least 4 seats. There are 34 seats up for election, 24 of which are held by republicans. Thus, in a year where a democrat president wins, her party only needs to win 41% of the senate races to have majority in the senate (Assuming the yet-unnamed vice president and the two liberal independent senators all vote with her party).

I can only see one situation where a party wins the presidency and also doesn't win at least 41% of the senate races. That only chance is if there was a strong third party candidate. Suppose we had a situation were something like Bush (or Cruz, or similar), Trump, and Clinton running. Then Clinton would win the presidency, but between Bush and Trump, they'd have enough establishment and tea party voters out in droves to keep the senate in their control. Getting 41% of the vote in a 3-way race is much harder than a 2-way race.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well they said they wanted the American people to have a voice on Scalia's replacement via the next president, I don't think this is the outcome they envisioned. This could go down as one of the more epic political miscalculations in recent decades since, if things continue apace, Hillary will get to put at least one (more probably two) justices on the bench and given the pressures inside the party will probably be more liberal than Garland.

Should Clinton win, I'd very much like for her to affirm Obama's Constitutional obligation & right to pick Garland & call on Repubs to confirm him in the lame duck session of Congress. She might even point out that it's unreasonable for her to be called upon to say anything & thus affirm the Constitution & the rule of law.

It would affirm her integrity while emphasizing the fact that Repubs have shown none.