POLL Celeron 700 or slot P3 550

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: linux247
nick1985, what is the point of this poll. Are you seriously considering one of these. I mean, do have these cpu's laying around as spares or something? Or are you just curious about what others think about outdated poop? I would suggest placing these two cpu's at a considerable distance from one another and then count the flies swarming around each one. The one with the least amount of flies is the winner.

its for my sister. her old computer is a 500 mhz celeron, and i have these 2 chips lying around, but im not sure which is faster.

 

[3chordcharlie]

It's not going to make much difference going from 500 to 700 or to 550 P3... just flip a coin

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: nimo
800Cel desktop vs. a Gateway Solo pIII 450

desktop can?t play high quality Divx (it ?stutters? )
the laptop can

Same OS
Desktop has more RAM
more or less same HD

I don?t care what hypothetical benchmarks say
Celerons are crap vs. any other CPU in their range

I've played DivX on a Celeron 400 and for the most part it was fine. For higher quality stuff, it might stuter once in a while. But I find it hard to believe a 800MHz Celeron will still stutter, especially with a 100MHz FSB.

The Pentium 3s do have SSE and the Celerons don't. I'm not sure how much of a difference this makes with DivX, but it definately would help a bit. For office apps, I would have to say the Celeron 700 is faster because of it's faster L2 cache. Photoshop and such apps that are highly optimized for SSE might give the Celeron a run for the money but it won't dominate it.

 

[Bovinicus]

I think it depends on the application. However, I have a feeling the P3 will be better quite often because that 66MHz FSB is extremely crippling.

 

[nimo]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Something is wrong with the desktop... I can play divx smoothly on a p2-300, and previously on a celly566. Maybe dma was disabled or something... or the movie was on a scratched cd.

Nothing is wrong with the desktop
However I?m referring to the really high quality not the common files
Common work fine on both

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
It's not going to make much difference going from 500 to 700 or to 550 P3... just flip a coin

well im also upgrading the platforn too. i will be using a 815 chipset with 3 RAM slots, her old board is an 810 with 2 RAM slots. so not only will she get a slight bump in CPU speed, but also an AGP slot and an extra 128 RAM.

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: nick1985
^ for more opinions

Can't you tell us whether it's a Katmai or a Coppermine P3? Otherwise a lot of this is just wasting time.

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: nimo
800Cel desktop vs. a Gateway Solo pIII 450

desktop can?t play high quality Divx (it ?stutters? )
the laptop can

Same OS
Desktop has more RAM
more or less same HD

I don?t care what hypothetical benchmarks say
Celerons are crap vs. any other CPU in their range

Without knowing every part in each system, I would have to assume that the Celeron is simply using crap parts. There's no reason for a Celeron to stutter in DivX. I can get a P2-300 laptop to play DivX fullscreen without stuttering, and I've got an ancient Celeron 366 in a Shuttle SV24 with a KT133 chipset and horrible Savage Pro+ integraded video that can also play DivX fine.

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: anthrax
You have to remember that a Pentium III 550MHz based on the .18 "coppermine" core easily clocks to 733Mhz but switching the FSB to 133MHz....At that speed, it will beat almost all p3 based celerons.

That's the P3-550E that has the Coppermine core. The first P3-550's had the Katmai core.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: anthrax
You have to remember that a Pentium III 550MHz based on the .18 "coppermine" core easily clocks to 733Mhz but switching the FSB to 133MHz....At that speed, it will beat almost all p3 based celerons.

That's the P3-550E that has the Coppermine core. The first P3-550's had the Katmai core.

If it's slot-1 P3, won't it definately be a Katmai? Or were there slot-1 coppermines?

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
It's not going to make much difference going from 500 to 700 or to 550 P3... just flip a coin

well im also upgrading the platforn too. i will be using a 815 chipset with 3 RAM slots, her old board is an 810 with 2 RAM slots. so not only will she get a slight bump in CPU speed, but also an AGP slot and an extra 128 RAM.

You just answered your own question there..You aren't going to be using that slot 1 processor on any 815chipset board. They are all socket 370, Hence you using the Celery 700.

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
If it's slot-1 P3, won't it definately be a Katmai? Or were there slot-1 coppermines?

All Katmai P3's were Slot-1 (SECC 2).
Some Coppermine P3's were Slot-1, some were Socket-370 (FC-PGA).
The Katmai and Coppermine were both used between 500-600 MHz.

All Coppermine-128 Celerons were Socket-370.
Some Mencodino Celerons were Slot-1, some were Socket-370.
The Mendocino and Coppermine-128 only overlapped at 533 MHz, everything higher was Coppermine-128.

Celeron 700:
Coppermine-128 core
66 MHz bus
128K 256-bit full-speed cache

P3-550:
Katmai core
100 MHz bus
512K 64-bit half-speed cache

P3-550E:
Coppermine core
100 MHz bus
256K 256-bit full-speed cache

All the different factors make it more complicated than just saying that one is faster than the other, but you will find cases where the Celeron 700 beats even the P3-550E.

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: nimo
800Cel desktop vs. a Gateway Solo pIII 450

desktop can?t play high quality Divx (it ?stutters? )
the laptop can

Same OS
Desktop has more RAM
more or less same HD

I don?t care what hypothetical benchmarks say
Celerons are crap vs. any other CPU in their range

There is something seriously wrong with that desktop. An 800 MHz Celeron is roughly twice as fast as a PIII 450.

i'll second that. perhaps you could post a link to a clip that stutters for you from the divx.

 

[mithrandir2001]

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: nimo
800Cel desktop vs. a Gateway Solo pIII 450

desktop can?t play high quality Divx (it ?stutters? )
the laptop can

Same OS
Desktop has more RAM
more or less same HD

I don?t care what hypothetical benchmarks say
Celerons are crap vs. any other CPU in their range

There is something seriously wrong with that desktop. An 800 MHz Celeron is roughly twice as fast as a PIII 450.

i'll second that. perhaps you could post a link to a clip that stutters for you from the divx.

I don't know...I had a 800MHz Celeron and it would stutter on the highest quality DivX as well.

 

[Cerb]

If the Pentium has 512KB cache, the PIII. Otherwise, Celeron.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
It's not going to make much difference going from 500 to 700 or to 550 P3... just flip a coin

well im also upgrading the platforn too. i will be using a 815 chipset with 3 RAM slots, her old board is an 810 with 2 RAM slots. so not only will she get a slight bump in CPU speed, but also an AGP slot and an extra 128 RAM.

You just answered your own question there..You aren't going to be using that slot 1 processor on any 815chipset board. They are all socket 370, Hence you using the Celery 700.

oops.. i have that 815 board for the celery and another intel board for the slot, both with 3 ram slots...sorry

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Cerb
If the Pentium has 512KB cache, the PIII. Otherwise, Celeron.

This is actually backwards, if the 550 P3 has 512k of cache, it's only half-speed. If it has 256k it's the much faster coppermine version.

Below we finally find out that it's the katmai version. The only reason to choose it over the celeron is that a bx board would likely be preferable to an 815 board, if that's what the OP has available for the two potential systems.

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: Cerb
If the Pentium has 512KB cache, the PIII. Otherwise, Celeron.

That doesn't make any sense. A Katmai P3 (512KB cache) is slower than a Coppermine P3 (256KB cache).

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: Cerb
If the Pentium has 512KB cache, the PIII. Otherwise, Celeron.

That doesn't make any sense. A Katmai P3 (512KB cache) is slower than a Coppermine P3 (256KB cache).

i think he got confused with the tualatins being 512KB full cache. but we talking about katmai's here

i still say the 700cely is faster

 

[Macro2]

My guess is that you can overclock the Celeron from 700 Mhz to 1000 Mhz provided the FSB is 66 Mhz on the 700.

I OC'ed a Celeron 600 to 900 for a guy 8 months ago on an old Aopen MB and stock HSF by knocking the FSB up to 100 Mhz and it's been rock solid.

Seems a lot faster too.

 

[Tostada]

The Celeron 700 runs at 66 x 10.5. You should be able to get it up to around the 900 MHz range at least. He didn't say what board/heatsink/PSU he was using, though, and I'm not sure what the chances would be of him getting it up to 1050 MHz if his only options are 66 or 100 MHz FSB.

Those Katmai P3's didn't overclock well, though. I had a P3-450 that could barely break 500. Since they used separate chips for the cache, they only used cache memory fast enough for the rated speed.