POLL: can you drive stick shift? and if you can...

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: spidey07
so what do you do when going into a corner? Need to brake and downshift at the same time.

have to heel-toe.

My car has 389 lbs of torque at the rear wheels. I can leave it in gear and still smoke the tires coming out of most corners.

That's not what spidey07 is saying. Imagine you're entering hot in the wrong gear and need to drop one gear. Braking, regular downshift, clutch out dragging the engine up from idle speed, compression lurch, ass end swings out, hello tree!

edit: and power is no excuse for not doing it right

 

[pray4mojo]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: spidey07

so what do you do when going into a corner? Need to brake and downshift at the same time.

have to heel-toe.

My car has 389 lbs of torque at the rear wheels. I can leave it in gear and still smoke the tires coming out of most corners.

I wish I owned a 300ZX TT

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: spidey07

so what do you do when going into a corner? Need to brake and downshift at the same time.

have to heel-toe.

My car has 389 lbs of torque at the rear wheels. I can leave it in gear and still smoke the tires coming out of most corners.

you're bad for having a poorly balanced car and crappy tires.

teehee.

they are oh-so light in the rear end.

 

[Kalvin00]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Kalvin00
I'm just learning stick, although it's pretty smooth all around now..and I don't double-clutch/rev match..when downshifting into a corner I just let the clutch out slowly..i'm not that advanced yet

don't bother double-clutching, but you should revmatch. It's just a question of hitting the gas a bit before letting out the clutch in the lower gear.

Big feet (size 15) + pedals which are kinda close together = tough chore

 

[Gamingphreek]

Im 17 years old and have been driving a Manual Transmission for 2 years now.

I can shift downshift and everything just fine.

IIRC isn't double clutching bad for the car?

I can double clutch (Im in a '92 Toyota 4x4) but not nearly as fast as the car is a long stick and the clutch has a huge dead zone. Double clutching in the truck i frequently get caught outside the gears, and have to take the time match RPM's again, however when i do it right it still takes about 4 secs. Then again, truck isn't meant for any of that.

I'm just learning stick, although it's pretty smooth all around now..and I don't double-clutch/rev match..when downshifting into a corner I just let the clutch out slowly..i'm not that advanced yet

Well if your in know hurry that is perfectly fine. However if you want to maintain speed but have a bit more power you rev-match so you dont lose any Speed or Rotations, however your RPM jumps.

I have never tried Heel-Toe. IIRC though isn't that more a street racing term. When you take a corner real fast you have your heel on the brake yet your toe on the gas so you maintain RPMs as you downshift for power. Probably wont try it as i am in a truck so taking corners real fast... probably not a good idea.

-Kevin

 

[spidey07]

gamingphreek...

double-clutch should take less than a second, same with heel-toe.

Its more of a feel kinda think - ding, fing, blip, bam.

 

[Hyudra]

Yes, i can double clutch and heel-toe. Took like 3 weeks to figure it out for me.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: spidey07
gamingphreek...

double-clutch should take less than a second, same with heel-toe.

Its more of a feel kinda think - ding, fing, blip, bam.

However i am in a long stick. Shifting really fast regular (granny shifting per se) even takes longer. There seems to be a lot of resistance in my car going into 2nd gear.

My friends answered this a while back for me, but why can you not just leave the clutch in and rev the engine to the desired rotation?

Ill have to practice a bit more, i can downshift seemlessly with the clutch in without going to neutral.

Part of the problem may be that this isn't my cars original transmission. My Unlce (before he died ) had the transmission replaced at ~85,000 ; the car is now at 93,000.

-Kevin

 

[cjgallen]

I can't heel-toe because my pedals are in a position that makes it near impossible.

I can double clutch and synchro shift though.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: Vic
Heel-and-toe = using the gas and brake at the same time while clutch in or out of gear in order to blip the throttle and match revs prior to a downshift while braking. This reduces stress on the synchros while enabling for a smoother and faster downshift without upsetting the vehicle balance.

Double-clutch = clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out, heel-and-toe rev-match, clutch in, downshift, clutch out

can you skip the second "Shift to Neutral" and third "Clutch out"
does that basically makes it a "Heel-Toe"?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
My friends answered this a while back for me, but why can you not just leave the clutch in and rev the engine to the desired rotation?

That's revmatching, and in cars with working synchros is all you need to do.

 

[cjgallen]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: Vic
Heel-and-toe = using the gas and brake at the same time while clutch in or out of gear in order to blip the throttle and match revs prior to a downshift while braking. This reduces stress on the synchros while enabling for a smoother and faster downshift without upsetting the vehicle balance.

Double-clutch = clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out, heel-and-toe rev-match, clutch in, downshift, clutch out

can you skip the second "Shift to Neutral" and third "Clutch out"
does that basically makes it a "Heel-Toe"?

That's what I do. Clutch-in, rev, clutch out.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: spidey07

you're bad for having a poorly balanced car and crappy tires.

teehee.

they are oh-so light in the rear end.

What kind of asinine comment was that?

My car is balanced pretty well and the tires are fine, Bridgestone Potenzas.

If I take the corner hard, the steer is neutral, with maybe a touch of understeer. If I give it some power then it will develop oversteer. You can control it somewhat, although controlling power on a turbo car isn't as exact as controlling it on a NA car... the boost comes on a bit hard and gives power too quick.

They are not light in the rear end, I don't know who told you that. I've driven a Camaro before, so I know what that feels like. My Z feels firmly planted.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
No, I understand the reason in a non-synchro transmission like some truck transmissions but in a car with synchros it strikes me as completely unecessary. I almost never shift down into first unless I come to a stop light and by then I've usually stopped anyway so it doesn't matter.

Believe me, I've driven manual transmission cars for years and rarely if ever double clutched any of them.

BTW-I've even driven a car without a clutch. My first car was a SAAB 99 and it could be started in gear. I was out at my local mall one day and pressed in the clutch only to find that the clutch cable snapped. I was able to drive the car home by starting it in gear for the times I absolutely had to stop and shifted it by rev matching between gears.

When I downshift I just rev match and let the clutch out.

Well... you have an STi. It has a god-like transmission and enough torque and low gearing to start off in 2nd easily. Regular WRX's are not the same. Not by a long shot. Fsckin' only reason I wish I had waited for an STi would be to have that tranny. There's a 99.9% chance that I will be buying an STi early next year, right now I'm just waiting to see if Subaru actually does a re-design or not. WRX tranny is a POS. Shifting into 1st while moving without double-clutch rev-match is more or less impossible, and unfortunately you have to do it pretty often in traffic because 2nd is poorly geared (too long).

It's been confirmed, the base WRX will be getting a 2.5L Engine upgrade

It isn't getting the 6 speed transmission in the STi though.

 

[andylawcc]

wanna add left-foot braking to the poll?


a typical 91TTZ response:

"Worthless, only for pimple-faced kids to act cool."

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: andylawcc
wanna add left-foot braking to the poll?


a typical 91TTZ response:

"Worthless, only for pimple-faced kids to act cool."

Left foot braking is for Formula One drivers who don't have an actual clutch pedal to deal with. I honestly have no idea how you could left foot brake and downshift in a regular car.

Although, I do left foot brake all the time in GT4!

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: andylawcc
wanna add left-foot braking to the poll?

That's worthless- it's only for pimple-faced kids to act cool.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Umm, seeing how I could care less to race, I only know simple stick.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Wadded Beef

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Double clutching is an old term made popular by lame movies like the Fast the & Furious. If you see some racerboy claim that he double clutches around town all the time, you know he'a a loser and he really needs something on him to be checked.

For those who don't know, double-clutching was needed on very old manual transmissions without synchros. All modern manual transmissions have synchros eliminating the need for double-clutching.

Most young idiots do it "because its kewl", and then crash their car into a tree.

no... i do it to save the brakes and synchros. plus it's kewl

is it just me, or am I the only one who associates double clutching with semis?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: andylawcc
can you skip the second "Shift to Neutral" and third "Clutch out"
does that basically makes it a "Heel-Toe"?

Yeah, just regular downshift with a blip throttle rev-match in the middle is a heel-and-toe.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: andylawcc
wanna add left-foot braking to the poll?


a typical 91TTZ response:

"Worthless, only for pimple-faced kids to act cool."

LOL.

Left foot braking should not be done on the street. It's only done for weight balancing while racing.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Although, I do left foot brake all the time in GT4!

with PS2 Controller?

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: andylawcc
wanna add left-foot braking to the poll?

That's worthless- it's only for pimple-faced kids to act cool.

ayye, i didn't know you have a sense of humor
loosen up man, don't be so serious all the time...

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

ayye, i didn't know you have a sense of humor
loosen up man, don't be so serious all the time...

I'm fooling around most of the time, but I think humor is best delivered dry sometimes.

Such as when someone says something, I'll reply, "Sir, that is 100% FALSE. :disgust:"

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Although, I do left foot brake all the time in GT4!

with PS2 Controller?

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: andylawcc
wanna add left-foot braking to the poll?

That's worthless- it's only for pimple-faced kids to act cool.

ayye, i didn't know you have a sense of humor
loosen up man, don't be so serious all the time...

Hell no! I have the Logitech Driving Force Pro wheel. I bought a seat and fabricated a frame to mount the wheel on. It isn't pretty but it wasn't overly expensive and it is just like sitting in and driving a car.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Hell no! I have the Logitech Driving Force Pro wheel. I bought a seat and fabricated a frame to mount the wheel on. It isn't pretty but it wasn't overly expensive and it is just like sitting in and driving a car.

something like this?

dude, your kid have no idea the fun he is missing out: you have an STI AND that?